I'll be there opening night.
Beautiful song.
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Its a Zack Synder movie, I expect lots of action.Miles and away better than their last teaser/trailer thingie.
Still needs more action, less talky-talk philosophizing, IMO.
I do too but I also hope there is a lot of talking and character in the movie. You NEED that in a Superman movie/whatever. I never cared for Superman until Smallville because it just speaks to the character behind the guy who has every superpower.
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Yeah, I don't understand the need to retell Superman's origin story. I think it's a pretty universal part of our pop culture at this point.
One of the (many) great things about The Spectacular Spider-man cartoon was it just jumped right in and assumed you knew how Peter Parker became Spider-man. (And if not, you there was quick-flash summary in the opening credits)
I think the audience of the cartoon is much smaller than that of the movie and probably a bigger percentage of the cartoons audience is made up of comic book readers.
I know several fans of the Avengers, the X-men and the Spiderman movies who never read any of the comics and didn't know the stories (or even names) of the characters before the movies. The movie has to pick up those people or the movie won't be nearly as succesful as they want it to be.
Seriously: got to a theatre and ask a few people if they know supermans origin story - my guess is, there will be less positive answers then you think.
Ironman, THOR, and even Captain America haven't really been (well) made until recently and I was happy to have them as I didn't really know the characters before seeing the movies.
Still... The origin stories of Superman, Batman, and Spiderman have all been made. Several times. And some of them VERY recently. If they want to include the origin of the character in a movie I strongly suggest just a few quick flashbacks.
And I wish they'd move foreward dammit!! Enough with the remakes. General Zod? Again?? Well, at least it's not Lex Luther... lol.. I want to see Braniac... Doomsday... Darkseid!!
(I'll nevertheless be in line to see Superman in the first few days... Haha!)
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Ironman, THOR, and even Captain America haven't really been (well) made until recently and I was happy to have them as I didn't really know the characters before seeing the movies.
Still... The origin stories of Superman, Batman, and Spiderman have all been made. Several times. And some of them VERY recently. If they want to include the origin of the character in a movie I strongly suggest just a few quick flashbacks.
And I wish they'd move foreward dammit!! Enough with the remakes. General Zod? Again?? Well, at least it's not Lex Luther... lol.. I want to see Braniac... Doomsday... Darkseid!!
(I'll nevertheless be in line to see Superman in the first few days... Haha!)
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I'm really hoping they save Darkseid for the Justice League movie.
Well i hope this one will be good and make enough money so we can see villians like Brainiac, Darkseid, Bizzaro, etc.
The population is always expanding. So my four year old wouldn't know the history of Superman.
So I would say that is why it's told.
Bahhh...
It'll be rated PG-13 for sure, so I hope there are no Four year olds in the theater when I go see it.
By the time they're old enough to handle these movies, they have DOZENS of other exposures to the Superman Mythos.
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The population is always expanding. So my four year old wouldn't know the history of Superman.
So I would say that is why it's told.
Bahhh...
It'll be rated PG-13 for sure, so I hope there are no Four year olds in the theater when I go see it.
By the time they're old enough to handle these movies, they have DOZENS of other exposures to the Superman Mythos.
I have a 9 year old and as a parent when you walked in Wal-mart or down the street or wherever else you suddenly start listening and seeing things you just bypassed before and you realize the PUBLIC is PG-13 material already. I've seen the Avengers and I'd have no issue with her watching that even if she were a bit younger.
I'm fine with them starting over. Hell, they didn't start over with the most recent Superman movie though they did flash back a bit. They just started back from the old Superman 2 movie or something.
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I'm fine with them starting over. Hell, they didn't start over with the most recent Superman movie though they did flash back a bit. They just started back from the old Superman 2 movie or something.
True, but the plot was pretty darn similar to Superman: The Movie - Superman deals with a bunch of regular criminals, then Lex Luthor tricks Superman into getting hit with kryptonite...yawn.
And, Smallville was essentially a long, multi-year origin story, so it's not like there hasn't been a lot of his origin on screen lately.
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I'm fine with them starting over. Hell, they didn't start over with the most recent Superman movie though they did flash back a bit. They just started back from the old Superman 2 movie or something.True, but the plot was pretty darn similar to Superman: The Movie - Superman deals with a bunch of regular criminals, then Lex Luthor tricks Superman into getting hit with kryptonite...yawn.
And, Smallville was essentially a long, multi-year origin story, so it's not like there hasn't been a lot of his origin on screen lately.
Oh I'm sorry, I'm not trying to defend or whatever else the last movie at all if that was mistakenly conveyed. It was pretty 'meh' to me. But if you're going to start a franchise over like they're doing now, you kind of have to do the origin thing at the start. Look at Batman Begins. Personally I loved that movie but we all know the schtick by now.
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Oh I'm sorry, I'm not trying to defend or whatever else the last movie at all if that was mistakenly conveyed. It was pretty 'meh' to me. But if you're going to start a franchise over like they're doing now, you kind of have to do the origin thing at the start. Look at Batman Begins. Personally I loved that movie but we all know the schtick by now.I'm fine with them starting over. Hell, they didn't start over with the most recent Superman movie though they did flash back a bit. They just started back from the old Superman 2 movie or something.True, but the plot was pretty darn similar to Superman: The Movie - Superman deals with a bunch of regular criminals, then Lex Luthor tricks Superman into getting hit with kryptonite...yawn.
And, Smallville was essentially a long, multi-year origin story, so it's not like there hasn't been a lot of his origin on screen lately.
But it seems like you have to restart the franchise after every couple of movies, so we get more origin stories than anything else.
In the actual comics they don't do the origin story again and restart the series from the beginning every time a new writer or artist comes along. (Occasional DC reboots aside.) They retell it every once in awhile, but they don't throw away all everything that's happened and start again.
That's what I didn't like about the latest Batman trilogy. It was deliberately intended as a complete Batman story. Start, middle and end. Simple character arc, with nice closure of Bruce giving up Batman and retiring. (And spending most of the time in between retired) Except that's not Batman. Batman never stops. The war never ends. That's the point of the character.
Sort of a side point, but it's linked to the whole restarting the franchise idea. No, you don't have to. Change the actors, change the directors, change the tone, just keep telling Superman stories. Every second or third one doesn't have to blow up Krypton and...
But you might have to keep retelling the story if the one that came before it was unpopular. Before the last Superman movie which did not blow anyone's socks off, the last Superman movie was pretty old. The direction they took the last movie in kind of left a lot of "mehs" out there.
Personally if I was directing the next Superman movie, I wouldn't want to try to link to that previous one either.
I'd say the same thing goes for Spider-man AND Batman (Batman especially ... Batman and Robin ick). I never liked Toby Maguire as Spider-man and though the first two movies were good ... the third was very disappointing and left it in a funny state. They'll have to reboot Fantastic Four for example if they can dare to do it.
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The difference is how well known the characters are, and how well known their origin stories are. I'd say that Superman, Batman, and Spiderman are all well known enough that they don't NEED their origin stories re-told.
The first Tim Burton Batman movie didn't even really have his origin story told. It referenced it, but it didn't actually show Bruce becoming
Batman the way that Batman Begins does.
James Bond effectively didn't have his origin story told until Casino Royale...each movie just showed James Bond doing his thing. Audiences were able to figure out he was a British spy without seeing him become one, just they they could figure out Batman fought crime dressed as a bat without seeing the origin or that Superman can fly as has super strength.
Doctor Who has been going on for 50 years, and also effectively never has told his origin story. As plot points about who the Doctor is come up, they're briefly addressed that he's a time traveling alien, but that's it.
I'm sure there's other examples out there as well, but while origin stories are cool overall, they're not really needed anywhere near as often as the movies and reboots seem to think. I'm much more a fan of being shown what a character is like than be told how he got to be that way.
You don't need a whole movie to show an origin. Really that was what turned everyone off from the new Spiderman show. We just SAW him get his powers and learn how to use them... It's why I enjoyed Spiderman 2 and Blade 2 MUCH more then the first ones.
I KNEW that story... I've known it for decades. Blade is a bit excusable, he's D-list at best... but Superman??
Here's his origin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0B1ufyXOds
Do that in in the opening credits, and EVERYONE is caught up to speed ;)
But seriously, the idea that people don't know about him? that's crazy talk.
That origin ran every week from '52-'58
The first series of movies ran from 77 - 87
Lois and clark ran from 93- 97
Superman animated 96- 2000
Smallville ran from 2001 -2011
Every ONE of these dealt with his origin story... not even counting the numerous OTHER cartoons (Fleisher, ruby-spears, hanna-barbara, DC) that dealt with the character.
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I liked the new Spiderman better personally.
As for the origin story ... maybe it'll be a little different? Already we have a somewhat darker approach from Johnathan Kent not to mention no sign of his glasses anywhere. What if they ditch the reporter persona of Clark (I'm hoping they do)?
Anyway I know we disagree on this and that's fine. I hope the sequels (hoping they both get them) will satisfy everyone.
Guess this is still the main thread...anyhow, I thought the new trailer kicked major tail. Hopefully the film delivers, because my expectations are pretty high now...
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/manofsteel/
Not trying to start a flame war, honest question: How can you ditch Clark as a reporter? Without Clark, superman is pretty much the same as Zod. Kansas and Clark are what tempers the immense power. And he is a reporter so he can help people in ways that superman can't.
I think from the trailer it looks like they are relying more on the Kents to show how the 'human' side of Kal-El was nurtured.
I really enjoyed it. It has action, story development, and character development. It also has a whole lot of stuff in there that I think (even as just easter eggs in this particular movie)help set up for the second movie and the DC Cinematic Universe in general.
Down to about 57% on Rotten Tomatoes. Pretty surprising really - the critics there must be Marvel fans :)
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I am seeing it this weekend but I am curious about something. Answer in spoiler tags if its a big deal.
I know General Zod is the main bad guy in this movie. But is Lex Luthor in it/ mentioned at all for set up for future movies? I'm glad they went with Zod and not Luthor because Luthor been done to death in movies.
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I'm glad they went with Zod and not Luthor because Luthor been done to death in movies.
Heck yeah, and Luthor real estate schemes, in particular.
Zod, Brainiac, Metallo, the Parasite, Doomsday, Bizarro. Superman isn't exactly short on villains not named Luthor.
The only Superman villain I'd want to see less than Luthor would be Mxyzptlk (sp?).
I am seeing it this weekend but I am curious about something. Answer in spoiler tags if its a big deal.
I know General Zod is the main bad guy in this movie. But is Lex Luthor in it/ mentioned at all for set up for future movies? I'm glad they went with Zod and not Luthor because Luthor been done to death in movies.
They blow up a Lexcorp oil truck, but there is no reference to Luthor.
So my thoughts were that Superman was supermediocre.
I liked the characters. Superman wasn't a brick wall, Lois wasn't a complete damsel in distress. I like the choice of actress for Lois, someone who looks like they have been arround the block chasing a lead before instead of some just out of college pinup.
If you liked how the Hulk moved in Avengers, you will probably like the fight scenes here. I personally find them blurry and jarring. They use the same move things too fast so their ragdoll cg physics don't look as bad technique. It may have looked better in 3D, but I doubt it.
I felt that in the fight scenes they dropped Superman's character, like throwing enemies though occupied buildings that eventually collapse and not caring about collateral damage. The fight scenes felt like 2 superpowers going at it, but they didn't feel like one of them was Superman.
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I am seeing it this weekend but I am curious about something. Answer in spoiler tags if its a big deal.
I know General Zod is the main bad guy in this movie. But is Lex Luthor in it/ mentioned at all for set up for future movies? I'm glad they went with Zod and not Luthor because Luthor been done to death in movies.
They blow up a Lexcorp oil truck, but there is no reference to Luthor.
So my thoughts were that Superman was supermediocre.
I liked the characters. Superman wasn't a brick wall, Lois wasn't a complete damsel in distress. I like the choice of actress for Lois, someone who looks like they have been arround the block chasing a lead before instead of some just out of college pinup.If you liked how the Hulk moved in Avengers, you will probably like the fight scenes here. I personally find them blurry and jarring. They use the same move things too fast so their ragdoll cg physics don't look as bad technique. It may have looked better in 3D, but I doubt it.
I felt that in the fight scenes they dropped Superman's character, like throwing enemies though occupied buildings that eventually collapse and not caring about collateral damage. The fight scenes felt like 2 superpowers going at it, but they didn't feel like one of them was Superman.
You've got to remember that the fights are powered kryptonians going at it so the speed thing I think they got right given there a hyperspeed component, the bits I liked I really liked the bits I didn't like I really didn't like, it felt like most of the pieces were there for a great movie just they put them together wrong.
You've got to remember that the fights are powered kryptonians going at it so the speed thing I think they got right given there a hyperspeed component, the bits I liked I really liked the bits I didn't like I really didn't like, it felt like most of the pieces were there for a great movie just they put them together wrong.I am seeing it this weekend but I am curious about something. Answer in spoiler tags if its a big deal.
I know General Zod is the main bad guy in this movie. But is Lex Luthor in it/ mentioned at all for set up for future movies? I'm glad they went with Zod and not Luthor because Luthor been done to death in movies.
They blow up a Lexcorp oil truck, but there is no reference to Luthor.
So my thoughts were that Superman was supermediocre.
I liked the characters. Superman wasn't a brick wall, Lois wasn't a complete damsel in distress. I like the choice of actress for Lois, someone who looks like they have been arround the block chasing a lead before instead of some just out of college pinup.If you liked how the Hulk moved in Avengers, you will probably like the fight scenes here. I personally find them blurry and jarring. They use the same move things too fast so their ragdoll cg physics don't look as bad technique. It may have looked better in 3D, but I doubt it.
I felt that in the fight scenes they dropped Superman's character, like throwing enemies though occupied buildings that eventually collapse and not caring about collateral damage. The fight scenes felt like 2 superpowers going at it, but they didn't feel like one of them was Superman.
Oh, the fights definetely felt like high power kryptonians. I just really don't like the shaky-cam, fast, blurry style that is also similar to what we see in things like Gladiator.
I wish there was more of the early movie, before he puts on the suit, and some more of him coming into his powers instead of going straight to flight early on.
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I wish there was more of the early movie, before he puts on the suit, and some more of him coming into his powers instead of going straight to flight early on.
Actually I agree here, they could have dropped the whole "prologue" sequence at the beginning to do this and prehaps added some of the respect for life and where that comes from, plus extended the end fight to show break offs to save people where possible like was done in the Smallville confrontation. After all pretty much all the plot points in the Krypton section were repeated later in the movie with the only one that jumps out at me as not being easily addable to a later section of flashback narrative for very little actual increase in length.
I really enjoyed it, and thought it was by far the best Superman related movie they've ever done. They got a little heavy handed with some classic Superman themes (e.g. sacrifice, Christ-like figure), but it worked for me.
A lot of people die - this Superman isn't able to flawlessly save the day - which didn't bother me.
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I definitely got the feeling that he was in over his head, struggling, and trying to do the right thing though even in fight scenes that devastated a city.
I do agree that I'd have liked to have seen more pre-suit Superman stuff.
Jor-El was great.
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I preferred the up-front action to the piece, and how relevant parts of his backstory / childhood / etc. were interspersed throughout the narrative, when they became important to the 'present day' storyline.
IMO, too many superhero movies suffer from an hour of tedious backstory, character establishment and 'origin,' and then an exciting hour of thrilling superhero action, which, having read comic books for forty years, is what I darn well plunked my monies down for.
I really preferred this formula and pacing, and think the movie was much stronger for not having too much time dedicated to Clark as a toddler, child, teen, young adult.
That being said, wow. Smallville and Metropolis better have good disaster insurance, is all I'm sayin'...
Going to see it tonight. Just a yes/no question: Is there a scene after the credits?
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No sir.
I'm glad they went with Zod and not Luthor because Luthor been done to death in movies.Heck yeah, and Luthor real estate schemes, in particular.
Zod, Brainiac, Metallo, the Parasite, Doomsday, Bizarro. Superman isn't exactly short on villains not named Luthor.
The only Superman villain I'd want to see less than Luthor would be Mxyzptlk (sp?).
Oh my god I loved this movie.
Anyone who gives this a bad review is incapable of feelings or joy. This is fact.
There was one fight scene that did go waaaay too long though (but it was still immensely more entertaining than watching a crystal grow for 20 minutes. ).
I didn't stick around for it, but I heard online that there's a six minute preview of the Lone Ranger after the credits.
Not in the theater I went to.
Want to talk Collateral Damage...the USAF was prepared to chew up Smallville to get the Kryptonians..how's that for respect for life,limb and property..
I liked the less Cartoonish Zod,and the Kingdom Come feel to the whole thing
Maybe it was just my personal opinion but did anyone else notice that Henry Cavill managed to look like Tom Welling when he was Clark and like Chris Reeve when he was in the suit?
The Bug is going to be in JL..oh man expect the 4th wall to be broken,or maybe he's the Narrator,and remember Socks must get his own trailer on set :)