Bestiary entry offense clarification?


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Could someone clarify, or point to a book and page that does so, the offense section of a monster's stat block?
The three types of entries that appear are:
A) attack X, attack Y,
B) attack X and attack Y
C) attack X or attack Y

Also, with natural attacks only listing one attack bonus, how would things work if a creature with high enough BAB wants to, say, bite twice? or use the "2 Claws" entry more then once?

I feel kinda ashamed for asking this given how long I've been playing, but a player wanting to play a monstrous race is making me consider things I never worried about before.
Thanks,
-Argentum


ArgentumLupus wrote:

Could someone clarify, or point to a book and page that does so, the offense section of a monster's stat block?

The three types of entries that appear are:
A) attack X, attack Y,
B) attack X and attack Y
C) attack X or attack Y

Also, with natural attacks only listing one attack bonus, how would things work if a creature with high enough BAB wants to, say, bite twice? or use the "2 Claws" entry more then once?

I feel kinda ashamed for asking this given how long I've been playing, but a player wanting to play a monstrous race is making me consider things I never worried about before.
Thanks,
-Argentum

Natural attacks don't gain iterative attacks for a high BAB. If a creature has a bite attack, it can make the bite attack once, regardless of what its BAB is. If it has two claws, it makes both attacks with them at the same bonus, and can't make additional attacks with them. Creature natural attacks don't work like weapon attacks or even unarmed strikes.

The type of attack (bite, claws, gore, etc) usually determines whether the attack is a primary or secondary natural attack (whether it takes a -5 penalty or not), though for creatures that can wield weapons, a primary natural attack usually becomes a secondary natural attack when the creature is wielding a weapon. (There are exceptions to the primary/secondary rule. Some creatures get attacks as primary attacks that are normally secondary attacks, for instance.) More details can be found under Natural Attacks in the Universal Monster Rules in the back of the Bestiary or in the PRD here: Universal Monster Rules (You'll have to scroll down to Natural Attacks, I don't know if it has an in-page bookmark.)

The Offense section is a whole section of the stat block that is labeled Offense. Take this worg listing on the PRD as an example:
PRD Worg listing

In the worg listing I've linked, the Offense section is labeled and contains both the worg's speed and its attack (a melee bite attack with the trip special property).


Also, I think the listing is generally read for full attacks, dependent on what the creature is wielding.

Lizardfolk for example, offer this:

Bestiary wrote:
Melee morningstar +2 (1d8+1), bite +0 (1d4), or claw +2 (1d4+1), bite +2 (1d4+1)

So it could swing with a morningstar, and make a bite, with the appropriate attack bonuses (+2 and +0), or, if it isn't wielding the morningstar, it could instead make a claw attack and a bite attack, at those bonuses (+2 and +2). That's where the 'or' part of it comes into play.

Just a side note, normally a creature using primary natural attacks, like bite, while also wielding manufactured weapon treat them as secondary, taking a -5 penalty, as said above. In this case though, its only -2 because the lizardfolk has multiattack.

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