Marked for Glory Prerequisites?


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The NON-Mythic but Mythic related feat "Marked for Glory" on page 25 of the playtest says this

Prerequisite: 1st level character, Iron Will, Great Fortitude, or Lightning Reflexes.

Now, at first I thought that means You must be 1st level AND have one of the three feats, but then I realized that would make it a human only feat. So, I must be reading the punctuation wrong, yes? Take it at first level, if you do not then you can get it later, but you have to buy a saves feat to qualify?

While I realize this is more than likely the intent now, if I am correct that this is how it's intended, I'd like to request/suggest that it be reworded to something akin to

Prerequisite: 1st level character or one of Iron Will, Great Fortitude, Lightning Reflexes.

This would remove any and all confusion that might arise from rules lawyers (of which I am one, although I accept house rules... usually.) :)


I read it more as you must be 1st level AND have either iron will, great fortitude or lightning reflexes.

Edit...hmm, reading it, I agree, that would be human only....or, anyone can take it at 1st level, or after they take one of the 3 feats...that makes some sense.


Question on that line of reasoning.....

do you read this
"Acrobatic (Mythic)
Your grace and fluidity are beyond compare.
Prerequisite: Acrobatic, 1st mythic tier."

as meaning you can only take Acrobatic (Mythic) at 1st Tier, or at any time after you have at least 1 Mythic Tier. Because they are both phrased the same way.

I would figure that the intent here is to communicate that Marked for Glory doesn't require a Mythic tier.


Ok, go going over other feats in published books... I think I see where it's meant... though it could be clearer.

It says "1st level character, Iron Will, Great Fortitude, or Lightning Reflexes"

Ironguts in the APG says "Con 13; dwarf, half-orc, or orc"

So, NOW I see the difference. 1st level you can take it. IF you want to take it AFTER 1st level, you need one of the other feats. If it truly was "human only" as I thoght before, it would say this..

"1st level character; Iron Will, Great Fortitude, or Lightning Reflexes"

Problem still remains though that the confusion came from having never seen a feat that had BOTH a 1st level only option then a "Ooops, you didn't take this at 1st level but here take this other feat first, THEN you can take it anyway" so maybe a extra bit of clarification or maybe prerequisite of just "1st level" then under Special put something like "If you don't take this feat at 1st level, you make take this feat after taking Iron Will, Great Fortitude, or Lightning Reflexes"

Oh, and as for what Templar said, if there were no other feats that could only be taken at first character level, that might work, but there is. MANY feats. So, 1st Mythic Tier means yo must be at least the 1st mythic tier, but it's impossible in any way to be a 0 level character and take feats. So, that "1st level character" can only mean 1st level...

Paizo Employee

Yeah, I think your parsing is correct there. I definitely agree it could use some clarification, though, particularly on the 1st mythic tier vs. 1st level character.

It's nice that they give a way to qualify if you miss it at first level, though.

Cheers!
Landon

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