So..... will it run on a 4 year old MacBook Pro with no video card, 8 gigs of ram, and still using OS X 6.8? :P My guess is not so much; but a boy can hope!
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Avari, the ATI Radeon HD 4670 in that 2010 iMac is an order of magnitude worse in performance than current mid-range cards, and 1/4 of the memory of low-range cards. Not sure if you mean it wouldn't play, or wouldn't install, but yeah, that wouldn't have the horses to play a modern game.
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Avari, the ATI Radeon HD 4670 in that 2010 iMac is an order of magnitude worse in performance than current mid-range cards, and 1/4 of the memory of low-range cards. Not sure if you mean it wouldn't play, or wouldn't install, but yeah, that wouldn't have the horses to play a modern game.
Played Neverwinter just fine. Here it was crashing about 10 seconds in. No matters should have something else to play on this weekend, just passing the info.
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@Avari
Different Game Engines, Different System Requirements.That and the Alpha is NOT optimised. Neverwinter is optimised.
So Neverwinter can run on it, But the Current Alpha can not.
Yes I understand that and that the limited dedicated memory makes it less than ideal for this game specifically. I just think it's a bit harsh to claim a 2010 imac will "not run modern games". Not exactly running a dinosaur here, it does run most games and it's kinda telling it doesn't run this one.
So then there is this question: Will it run with the standard Max OS or will I have to bootcamp it with a Mac? I'm thinking in terms of the EE come September 15th.
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Just buy a new PC ;)
To what specifications?
Intel i5 -- which one
16 GB ram, what speed
NVIDIA Geforce 750, 755, ??? 2 Gb or 4 DDR 3 or 5
Motherboard requirements
Power to match
HOw much SSB
I Tb disk (5400 rpm)
What else?
Is there a package which meets this, or is this self built?
How does one get Windoze 7? I only see 8 for sale.
Just buy a new PC ;)
While the cheaper option, Mac is better for non-gaming, day-to-day purposes and for advanced work with graphic design and data analysis. Really its just far more enjoyable to work with, in general. Once I went Mac, I never went back (and never will!).
Although, this is what I would go in for if it comes down to it.
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I kickstarted two crowdforger buddies so the whole family could play so I need to come up with four computers that can handle it!
I'm not worried about my wife/my MacBook Pros (2012 and 2013 Retina) ... but the kids have something like 2007 or 2008 hand-me-down MacBook Pros (3,1). Some research shows they can be upgraded to Maverick, so maybe!
Anxiously awaiting early access! Guess I should start trying to get Windows 7 on all of these.
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This alpha is giving me all kinds of fits, lol.
Switched to a 2014 hp Pavillion Touchsmart 23" AIO. AMD 8400 graphics, 6GB, i3 core.
It was doing ok, not great, so I tried to play with the settings...
Woah, nelly! Welcome to Alpha and welcome to MF windows!
5 hours later everything back to normal, but can't run PFO. I have uninstalled twice but whenever II fire it up again it tries some funky setting, screen goes black, yadda yadda.
Should I wait til build 7, do I need my setting back to normal from GW's end, or other?
P.s. This is machine I will have to run for first few months of EE.
I kickstarted two crowdforger buddies so the whole family could play so I need to come up with four computers that can handle it!
I'm not worried about my wife/my MacBook Pros (2012 and 2013 Retina) ... but the kids have something like 2007 or 2008 hand-me-down MacBook Pros (3,1). Some research shows they can be upgraded to Maverick, so maybe!
Anxiously awaiting early access! Guess I should start trying to get Windows 7 on all of these.
According to Ryan Dancy, a few posts up in this thread, OSX is just fine.
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Looking at some of the specs getting posted and FPS they are getting I'm quite surprised. If a system is built well balanced it will perform better than throwing a load of cash at a video card. My three year old system gets between 50 and 60 FPS on a GTX590 with all settings on the highest possible both in game and on card. At the time I built it any ram in excess of 8gb gave zero performance advantage, likewise a high end i5 CPU gave the same performance as an i7 in gaming environments. It's worth doing your research as my PC was 30% cheaper than one a friend built at the same time but performs 15-20% better (though mostly because of the GPU - mine is faster).
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It seems like a good bet would be the level of Modest-Fair-Good on Logical Increments http://www.logicalincrements.com/ --- a 430$-600$ computer. But we're still on relatively few sources.
I'm planning to go a couple of levels higher than Good, but that's more about future-proofing than making sure this game will run. When I built my last machine 7 years ago, I went a bit higher than the required specs for LOTRO, and it held up pretty well for about 5 years. Now, though, it's time.
I have a quick question about graphics cards: Is it still worthwhile to buy two and link them? I went with a single card on the last machine, and once that card went out of production, I regretted missing the opportunity to double it up. Today, between buying one great card, or two pretty good cards, which gets you more bang for the bucks?
I find that unless you're buying 2 up-front for crazy amounts of power, you're better to get one, then just replace it later when it gets outdated. By that time, getting another of your original card is often similar in cost to a brand new card, which is more than 2x as fast as the old card, with less heat and less power consumption.
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I have a quick question about graphics cards: Is it still worthwhile to buy two and link them? I went with a single card on the last machine, and once that card went out of production, I regretted missing the opportunity to double it up. Today, between buying one great card, or two pretty good cards, which gets you more bang for the bucks?
Unless things have changed recently, SLI mode gave no substantial advantage for performance over single cards unless a game was specifically programed to utilize it. Every performance chart I've seen shows that more performance is gained by purchasing a more expensive card than buying two and linking them. This is specifically game performance, not benchmark software.
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According to Ryan Dancy, a few posts up in this thread, OSX is just fine.I kickstarted two crowdforger buddies so the whole family could play so I need to come up with four computers that can handle it!
I'm not worried about my wife/my MacBook Pros (2012 and 2013 Retina) ... but the kids have something like 2007 or 2008 hand-me-down MacBook Pros (3,1). Some research shows they can be upgraded to Maverick, so maybe!
Anxiously awaiting early access! Guess I should start trying to get Windows 7 on all of these.
As of last Sat, he was running it on his mac mini but using Windows through Boot Camp. Pretty sure his above comment refers to their intention for it to eventually run on Mac OS, but it does not yet appear certain that it will by Sept 15. Realistically, as much as I would like to be running it on my Mac on the fist day of EE, I'm sure their priority at this point is to get a stable build on Windows first.
Unfortunately I have to decide whether I come up with a way to run it in Sept, or wait for a OS X build with no certainty of when that could be. Of course, nothing new there, par for the course as a long time Mac user. :)
So, I have an older Core2 Duo E8400 (3 GHz) with 4 GB of low-latency RAM and a NVidia GTX 260. My guess is that this 5-year old system is going to be a bit underpowered for Pathfinder, but I've seen some people posting that they're running around in Alpha at 25-30 FPS on systems that appear to have weaker computing and graphical power than mine. I'm planning to upgrade shortly, but I might sell/give this system to a friend to play on. Does anyone in Alpha have a system with similar capabilities and, if so, can you tell me how it runs the PFO Alpha build?
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So, I have an older Core2 Duo E8400 (3 GHz) with 4 GB of low-latency RAM and a NVidia GTX 260. My guess is that this 5-year old system is going to be a bit underpowered for Pathfinder, but I've seen some people posting that they're running around in Alpha at 25-30 FPS on systems that appear to have weaker computing and graphical power than mine. I'm planning to upgrade shortly, but I might sell/give this system to a friend to play on. Does anyone in Alpha have a system with similar capabilities and, if so, can you tell me how it runs the PFO Alpha build?
I have a system at home with very similar specs, I'll give it a run this weekend and let you know what the performance is like.
Thanks Wyspr!
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Only peripherally connected ;-P
For any Canadians who have been wanting a touch screen, one of today's Neweg shell shockers is a Hanspree 23 inch touch screen for $150 ($200 off)
MAC USERS:
According to another user (link below), they announced at GenCon on Sunday that the Mac client will not be available until "sometime between EE and OE"- so plan on either bootcamping or picking up a PC for gaming purposes if you don't want to wait :/
Post by Gaskon:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r1q2?PFO-at-Gencon-2014
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That is not what was said at all.
We do not have an eta for the OSX version.
Period. Full Stop.
I want it yesterday. I'd love to have it before Early Enrollment begins. It's a critically important issue for us to get OSX running as fast as possible.
As soon as we have an eta, we'll share it. Until you see something OFFICIAL on our actual site, please don't spread rumors.
Thanks for the clarification, Ryan!
Also, as a Mac user, personally, no rush! Yall's work is totally worth tainting my next Mac with the foulness of Windows ;)
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I'm looking to buy a laptop to run it, come EE.
Think this one does okay?
Intel® Core™ i7-4700MQ Prozessor (up to 3,4 GHz), Quad-Core, 39,6 cm (15") Full HD 16:9 LED Display (non-glare), Webcam, 8 GB RAM, 1TB + 8GB SSD SSH, 2x NVIDIA GeForce GT 755M Grafik (2048 MB), HDMI, USB 3.0, WLAN-n, BT, Windows 8 64 Bit,
€924,- after tax.
Other contender would be this one:
Intel® Core™ i7-4500U Prozessor (up to 3,0 GHz), Dual-Core, 39,6 cm (15") Full HD 16:9 Touch LED Display (glare), Webcam, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD, Fingerprint, AMD Radeon HD 8670M Grafik (2048 MB), HDMI, USB 3.0, WLAN-n, BT Windows 8 64 Bit,
same price.
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Why do people want to game on laptops? A desktop always gives better performance for a given dollar value, with much better upgradability for the future.
The ability to not be tied to one spot. I game on a laptop so when my wife decides to watch a "Real Housewives" show, I can go play in a different room and not be forced to smash the TV to make the idiocy stop.
It is true desktops are more cost effective and easier to upgrade, but laptops have come a long way and the gap is closer than you'd expect.