Ravingdork |
So, with the new ACG classes being previewed left and right, you can count on a number of new characters utilizing them in the near future.
However, I thought I'd open the floor for a fun discussion:
Of the CURRENT characters in the gallery, which ones do you think would be BETTER suited if converted (or partially converted) to the NEW classes from the ACG? Depending on your ideas, I just might make some variant characters once that book releases. :D
Tels |
Caybun Weer could probably be made an Investigator/Shadow Dancer, though I'm not sure if it would necessarily be 'better'. Just as Batman has gone through periods of being more 'fighty' and more 'detective' you could have one version that is less fighter more detective, and another more fighter less detective.
[Edit] Oops, submitted it early.
Foerth could probably be better as a Slayer, because the River Kingdoms are so full of a variety of creatures and races which is where the Slayer's Favored Target can trump the Ranger's Favored Enemy.
Taur Thelyn can make a pretty good Slayer/Horizon Walker if you abuse the Rogue Talent 'Terrain Mastery'. Though I'm not sure if he'll be able to get all the feats he has now.
Those are all that come to mind when I do a rough glance through the Emporium. I'm just not sure if the ACG classes will replace any characters as they currently exist. It's possible that some of the archetypes could do it better though. Like I thought about swapping Sela Kurn to an Arcanist (as he seems kind of spell-hackerish), but I'm not really sure if that would work.
Ravingdork |
Lailah Hael has been rebuilt from the ground up as a life oracle. She is now a much more effective healer and party buffer.
Tels |
Lailah Hael has been rebuilt from the ground up as a life oracle. She is now a much more effective healer and party buffer.
Is Lailah Hael an Aasimar that rolled 100, followed by 90 and 90 on the variant Aasimar abilities? Rules-wise anyway.
Ravingdork |
I'm more concerned about her being able to heal others than herself, but I absolutely love the flavor of the feat (it meshes well with her nature and survival skills). Still, the effect is really nice, and could serve to keep her in the battle for a long time.
Do you think it's better than Greater Spell Focus (abjuration) and having a DC 25 sanctuary up all the time?
Skyler Malik |
Your characters are largely about flavour, and Fey foundling seems like it was made for her. The Greater Spell Focus was the one feat I felt didn't really fit as well personally. She could always get Greater Spell Focus at level 11, unfortunately she would not be able to pick up Fey Foundling at that level! I just think of how much more utility she would have if she had a lot of life links up.
Ravingdork |
Ravingdork |
Yeah, I had been meaning to go through Inner Sea Gods since I recreated the character to see if there was anything useful there.
When I came across that feat, I was like, wow! Being able to heal the party AND buff them in the same standard action is a HUGE boon for any healer. The fact that the duration is based off of Charisma is just icing on the cake.
At later levels, she can increase her channeling abilities with a phylactery of positive channeling (though she would need to combine it with her headband) and a malleable symbol. Maybe pick up the Quick Channel as well so she can heal, buff, and summon all in the same round.
Tels |
Yup awesome. Quicken Channel at 11th level would make the character get 2 channels off a round, or a channel and a spell. I just think of all the possibilities with this character.
Lailah just became one of my favorite characters you've created.
Have you ever heard of the concept of the Oradin? Oracle/Paladin multi-class. Basically, go Life Oracle for the life bond (get high enough in Life Oracle for a number of bonds equal to your party members), then you go the rest into Paladin so you can Channel, Quick Channel, and then swift-action Lay on Hands to heal yourself from the life bond as necessary.
Basically allows you to nova-heal in combat if you have to.
@Ravingdork, have you considered using the Glorious Heat feat on one of your builds? It was supposed to be errated in Inner Sea Gods, but got reprinted in it's broken form. Basically, it lets you spam the 0-level spark to heal allies, at least if you use the printed version anyway instead of the intended errata version.
Tels |
The Oradin spends a lot of their feats on Extra Channel because they can use the extra channels to power their Paladin channels instead of their Lay on Hands. Don't take Extra Lay on Hands because it nets less channels than Extra Channel does.
I think progression is supposed to be something like...
Halfling (Paladin Favored Class bonus really helps here)
1) Oracle: Channel; Fey Foundling
2) Oracle
3) Oracle: Life Link; Extra Channel
4) Paladin
5) Paladin: Greater Mercy
6) Paladin
7) Paladin: Extra Lay on Hands (for Ultimate Mercy at 9th)
8) Paladin
9) Paladin: Ultimate Mercy
10) Paladin
11) Paladin: Extra Channel
etc.
Basically, if you go Charisma prime and start with a 20 Cha, you should have about a 24 Charisma by the time you reach 9th level, netting you a total of 12 uses of Lay on Hands or 6 uses of Paladin Channel, and 8 uses of Oracle Channel, plus you have 3 floating Channels that can be used for either.
Plus, your Lay on Hands heals an additional +3 points of damage due to Halfling Favored Class bonus, and another extra 1d6 points if they don't benefit from your mercies. Also, if you use Lay on Hands on yourself, you can heal a total of 4d6+11 points of damage due to Greater Mercy, Fey Foundling and Halfling FCB.
You are, without a doubt, an HP Battery and little else, but not many can heal like you can. In fact, I think only the Vitalist from Psionics can match you.
[Edit] Also, the Phylactery of Positive Channeling benefits both channels.
Tels |
I figured the classes would stack for the purposes of determining one's channeling capabilities. Is that not the case?
Not RAW no, though in a home game I'd absolutely allow it. I honestly think similar abilities should always stack, so Caster Level should stack regardless of Divine/Arcane, BAB stacks, Sneak Attack stacks, Ki Pool stacks etc.
ChainsawSam |
I figured the classes would stack for the purposes of determining one's channeling capabilities. Is that not the case?
No, but Holy Vindicator does. If you want a character that specializes in channeling, this is the way to do it.
Though my understanding of the Oradin was to focus on Lay on Hands and Life Link rather than channel. The idea being to take damage from your allies and then heal it with a swift Lay on Hands when it piles up too high. The Oradin Guide seems to point in that direction as well.
Tels |
Ravingdork wrote:I figured the classes would stack for the purposes of determining one's channeling capabilities. Is that not the case?No, but Holy Vindicator does. If you want a character that specializes in channeling, this is the way to do it.
Though my understanding of the Oradin was to focus on Lay on Hands and Life Link rather than channel. The idea being to take damage from your allies and then heal it with a swift Lay on Hands when it piles up too high. The Oradin Guide seems to point in that direction as well.
I didn't know there was a guide! *gives it a read*
Yeah, focusing on Lay on Hands is definitely the way to go, but the Oradin can also Nova Heal through an abundance of Channels if it needs to. Although this requires Quick Channel as a feat, which would mean pushing off Ultimate Mercy until 11th level.
You could probably go Fey Foundling, Power Attack, Greater Mercy, Quick Channel, Extra Channel, Ultimate Mercy and have a pretty decent HP Batter/Frontliner for a party.
Xethik |
Really love Lailah. Great character, concept, and build. I'm a bit of a Milani junky so that's just icing on the cake. Kind of hope my Monkadin dies so I can roll a similar character. I just wish a Paladin of Freedomish variant existed to get the Oradin feeling added onto it.
Ravingdork |
Wow. She was a nobody before this rebuild.
Should I make her a Small aasimar? (Essentially turning her into a halfling aasimar or gnome aasimar, rather than a human aasimar.) Her stats would remain the same, but for the following:
+1 AC
+1 attacks
+4 stealth
-1 CMB/CMD
Carrying capacity will change
Reduced weapon damage
Xethik |
It's tough to follow every character when there are so many. It takes someone bringing one up for me to really look at it, to be honest.
Personally, I wouldn't due to imagery alone, but I can understand if that's what you preferred. Though Gnome would fit from a flavor aspect, wouldn't it?
Tels |
Ugh, why must you ask me that!? Halfling has recently become a very cool race for me. I've recently built a Halfling Paladin, a Halfling Ranger, a Halfling Cavalier, and I'm tossing around the idea of a Scottish themed Halfling Sound Striker Bard (he wears a kilt and wields a set of bagpipes as his weapon).
Going off her character portrait, I could see Lailah as a halfling Aasimar, I just don't think her portrait is 'odd' enough for a gnome flavor. Plus, it would really fit in with the 'picture of innocence' Lailah has going for her, by making her look even more like a young girl.
I'm not sure if that's the flavor you're going for her, but Lailah very much so strikes me as the sort of character that would be remembered by the people as a '15 year old young virgin saint and patron of healing' for a church.
Although, if fantasy tradition is anything to go by, the young female saints that are gifted with healing usually die horribly in some form or fashion. I hear they make great sacrifices after all...
Skyler Malik |
Skyler Malik wrote:Yup awesome. Quicken Channel at 11th level would make the character get 2 channels off a round, or a channel and a spell. I just think of all the possibilities with this character.
Lailah just became one of my favorite characters you've created.
Have you ever heard of the concept of the Oradin? Oracle/Paladin multi-class. Basically, go Life Oracle for the life bond (get high enough in Life Oracle for a number of bonds equal to your party members), then you go the rest into Paladin so you can Channel, Quick Channel, and then swift-action Lay on Hands to heal yourself from the life bond as necessary.
Basically allows you to nova-heal in combat if you have to.
@Ravingdork, have you considered using the Glorious Heat feat on one of your builds? It was supposed to be errated in Inner Sea Gods, but got reprinted in it's broken form. Basically, it lets you spam the 0-level spark to heal allies, at least if you use the printed version anyway instead of the intended errata version.
I have indeed heard of an oradin. I personally would rather take a 2 level dip Paladin, and play out the Oracle part, rather then 1-3 level dip in Oracle and have Paladin be the main. To each their own.
Right now I have a Level 2 Paladin in PFS, which plans on taking his last 10 levels as a Lunar Oracle. Where an animal companion will get the aasimar favored class bonus (with boon companion of course to make up for the 2 lost levels in paladin). I dumped Dex and am getting Charisma to saves (Reflex twice), initiative (Noble Scion feat). and AC (Extra Revelation for Prophetic Armor).
Ravingdork |
Right now I have a Level 2 Paladin in PFS, which plans on taking his last 10 levels as a Lunar Oracle. Where an animal companion will get the aasimar favored class bonus (with boon companion of course to make up for the 2 lost levels in paladin). I dumped Dex and am getting Charisma to saves (Reflex twice), initiative (Noble Scion feat). and AC (Extra Revelation for Prophetic Armor).
That sounds similar to Shioji Petilom. Did he serve as inspiration per chance?
Ravingdork wrote:Welcome to my Crazy Character Emporium, brought to you by popular demand!
I just logged in at twelve in the morning to tell you "Thanks bro for doing this." Please don't take it down D:
I still need to take some useful stuff for my games. ;D
You're the best! Thanks for sharing; this must have taken a great deal of work.
It's things like this that fill me with the warm fuzzies...and also why I think I continue to offer the gallery to everyone for free. ;D
Thank you for the kind words. It was a lot of hard work, several years in the making in fact, and it continues to be. I am constantly upgrading old characters with newly released content, adding new characters as I dream them up, and fixing and formatting everything so it looks as clean and accurate as possible.
So be sure to mark the first post as a favorite and check back frequently! :D
Skyler Malik |
Skyler Malik wrote:Right now I have a Level 2 Paladin in PFS, which plans on taking his last 10 levels as a Lunar Oracle. Where an animal companion will get the aasimar favored class bonus (with boon companion of course to make up for the 2 lost levels in paladin). I dumped Dex and am getting Charisma to saves (Reflex twice), initiative (Noble Scion feat). and AC (Extra Revelation for Prophetic Armor).That sounds similar to Shioji Petilom. Did he serve as inspiration per chance?
I've certainly read the character, and similar goals are there for the charisma synergy. So possibly some inspiration? I plan on getting Charisma as high as possible for face skills and letting the AC handle the fighting (where as my Lunar Oracle can do the buffing). Its sort of a Child of the Moon, worshipping the Sun god, looking for guidance that way.
I like classes that have stat synergies.
Ravingdork |
Several characters now feature new character art, including Aneelde Cansiv (warning, nudity), Gareth Lharz, James Mycen (more modified than new), Julian Vargo, and Lweoh Estalc.
Aneelde also had her weapon switched out to better fit the new image. The description of Lweoh's flying castle has also changed to match the new artwork.
For a real treat, load up Aneelde's sheet alongside Edleena Visnac and note the similarities, not just in artwork, but also in the way they might do battle.
Enjoy! Let me know if you like them over the older versions.
Tels |
Julian's picture looks... too modern, for my taste. Makes me very much so think he's the kind of person that spends a lot of time at Hot Topic or complaining about how he knew 'such and such' band before they went mainstream.
Lweoh was updated in a previous post, did anything change from that one? If it did, I don't recall, but I still like it!
With James did you find the same picture put with a 'more black' outlines or something? Or did you do that yourself?
I don't recall Gareth's original picture, so I don't have much opinion on it, other than that I notice he's wielding two swords while having only 1 sword on his sheet. That's just a minor nitpick of the art not matching the sheet though, which is something that, unfortunately, happens a lot unless you're willing to shell out lots of money for individual art of your PCs.
Ravingdork |
Julian's picture looks... too modern, for my taste. Makes me very much so think he's the kind of person that spends a lot of time at Hot Topic or complaining about how he knew 'such and such' band before they went mainstream.
I had similar concerns. I'll keep an eye out for something better.
EDIT: Changed it.
Lweoh was updated in a previous post, did anything change from that one? If it did, I don't recall, but I still like it!
Maybe not. I had forgotten I had posted about it already.
With James did you find the same picture put with a 'more black' outlines or something? Or did you do that yourself?
Originally, it was a cropped image of King Kashue from the anime of Record of Lodoss War (shown on the left).
I later updated the image to a different image of King Kashue.
Later, I removed the background. Then I changed the color of his armor. Most recently, I changed the color of his cloak.
I don't recall Gareth's original picture, so I don't have much opinion on it, other than that I notice he's wielding two swords while having only 1 sword on his sheet. That's just a minor nitpick of the art not matching the sheet though, which is something that, unfortunately, happens a lot unless you're willing to shell out lots of money for individual art of your PCs.
Heroes can change their weapons. I like to think of it as a fine representation of his having the Two-Weapon Fighting feat.
Here is the original image. Perhaps an image of him being tempted by evil would be better?
Ravingdork |
Is it possible that you do not like animal companions?:DI couldnt find even one
nevermind, found Sootscale!
If you are looking for characters with animal companions, check out some of the following:
Feathered Tornado
Foerth
Magora Coldheart
Meglin Dee
Naya Foreteller
Sanat Norstag
Sootscale
Ravingdork |
Wasum, she has Fleet twice because she wanted to be able to move about quickly. For that particular character, the animal companion was more of an after thought then anything, so not a lot of focus was put on it. (I was more focusing on getting a powerful melee character out of her--ultimately, she is just a precursor to Nudel.)
As for her casting ability, she gets some hefty boosts thanks to being a member of a Spellcasting Guild (see Inner Sea Magic) in high standing. Her position in the guild grants her the Esoteric Training ability, which is what boosts her casting abilities.
TheOddGoblin |
Question regarding the telekinetic greatsword throwing. Since they do damage as the weapon, is it base damage or do magical enhancements apply to damage done through this technique? For example, a character toting around a greatsword of each elemental damage, and launches them all at once at someone, does each +(elemental damage) effect apply to that attack?
Ravingdork |
Question regarding the telekinetic greatsword throwing. Since they do damage as the weapon, is it base damage or do magical enhancements apply to damage done through this technique? For example, a character toting around a greatsword of each elemental damage, and launches them all at once at someone, does each +(elemental damage) effect apply to that attack?
It is unclear. I've always thought not.
Even if you could, it gets ridiculously expensive fast and is easily beaten by even low energy resistances.
TheOddGoblin |
Ah, I see. Still a very cool concept I'd like to play. Does the ring allow you to still take normal actions(ie: casting spells or fighting in combat) and still have the ability to telekinetically wield the swords? I'm unsure of how the action economy works on such a character but I have an idea in mind for a "warrior priest" barbarian type of character, spirit wielding his blades despite being half-crippled.
Ravingdork |
Does the ring allow you to still take normal actions(ie: casting spells or fighting in combat) and still have the ability to telekinetically wield the swords? I'm unsure of how the action economy works on such a character but I have an idea in mind for a "warrior priest" barbarian type of character, spirit wielding his blades despite being half-crippled.
Yes and no.
The telekinesis spell requires the caster to maintain concentration for any use of the spell besides "violent thrust." Since maintaining concentration is a standard action each round, you could not cast other spells or make attacks during the same round in most cases.
However, there is no limit to how often you can use the ring's abilities, so you could hurl ALL the great swords at your foe in round 1, cast a defensive spell or make a different kind of attack in round 2, then hurl the swords at him again in rounds 3-5.
Though you are essentially dropping and hurling the swords repeatedly, I like to describe them as never having stopped moving (such as having a bunch of large, spinning blades floating in the air)--just for fun.
Also, if you craft the ring yourself, you can make it into an intelligent item so that it capable of taking actions in its own right (including activating itself). Suddenly, your swords really are always on the move WHILE you are doing other things. :D