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Menacing Weapon Enhancement: Stackability?

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I'm looking at the menacing weapon enhancement in Ultimate Equipment, and I notice there's no set limit on the number of these you can have affecting your party at a time.

Does this mean:

- multiple characters can have one, and it adds +2 to the flanking bonus each time?
- a single character can dual-wield two of them, adding +4 to the flanking bonus total?
- a character with twenty arms and twenty of these can add +40 to the flanking bonus of any of his allies?

Intended or no, what do you guys say? The bonus only applies while someone is flanking of course.

Pathfinder Core Rulebook, page 208 wrote:

Stacking Effects: Spells that provide bonuses or
penalties on attack rolls, damage rolls, saving throws,
and other attributes usually do not stack with themselves.
More generally, two bonuses of the same type don’t stack
even if they come from different spells (or from effects
other than spells; see Bonus Types, above)

Also -- I seem to recall that creatures with different, non-humanoid body types have the same number of magic item slots. A creature with six arms cannot necessarily benefit from six rings, nor would a creature with twenty arms benefit from twenty menacing weapons. To your benefit, however, animal companions may be able to benefit from gloves-style magic items, DM willing.

I'm viewing the Advanced Player's Guide copy of Menacing, and the one thing I can see for your case is that it doesn't explicitly call it out as a bonus ... rather it is an increase to a bonus. Still, an increase to a bonus would be seen by many to be, in of itself, a bonus.

Further, we do have Armor bonuses, Natural Armor bonuses, Armor Enhancement bonuses and Natural Armor Enhancement bonuses. Although they have their own names, Armor Enhancement bonuses and Natural Armor Enhancement bonuses are precisely the same concept as Menacing's increase to flanking bonus. One cannot add two separate Enhancement bonuses together, and consistency would imply that the same Menacing effect wouldn't stack with itself.

Still, if you are not yet convinced, I am then compelled to ask you:

Can a Druid in Wildshape with several natural weapons and a Menacing Amulet of Mighty Fists increase his allies' flanking bonus by an extra +6 or +8, or even +8/+10 if they have Outflank?

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