paizo.com Recent Posts in DR/Epic and Smitepaizo.com Recent Posts in DR/Epic and Smite2013-03-25T22:26:40Z2013-03-25T22:26:40ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and SmiteZaisterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#152012-11-15T21:35:55Z2012-11-15T01:02:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">ryric wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Hama wrote:</div><blockquote>Epic weapons are any weapons whose combined enhancement bonus is +6 or higher to the ceilling of +10. Combined means Enhancement bonus plus any special ability "enhancement bonus" </blockquote>I'm fairly ceratin this is incorrect. The weapon must have an enhancement bonus alone of at least +6.</blockquote><p>Correct, the DR rule talks very specifically about "at least +6 enhancement bonus".
<div class="messageboard-quotee">ryric wrote:</div><blockquote> There are ways to do it, though. A <i>+4 bane weapon</i> striking at the correct creature type, for example. </blockquote><p>Ah, very good! That is indeed a way.ryric wrote:Hama wrote:Epic weapons are any weapons whose combined enhancement bonus is +6 or higher to the ceilling of +10. Combined means Enhancement bonus plus any special ability "enhancement bonus"
I'm fairly ceratin this is incorrect. The weapon must have an enhancement bonus alone of at least +6.Correct, the DR rule talks very specifically about "at least +6 enhancement bonus". ryric wrote:There are ways to do it, though. A +4 bane weapon striking at the correct creature type, for...Zaister2012-11-15T01:02:55ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and Smiteryric (RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#142012-11-15T00:58:25Z2012-11-15T00:58:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Hama wrote:</div><blockquote>Epic weapons are any weapons whose combined enhancement bonus is +6 or higher to the ceilling of +10. Combined means Enhancement bonus plus any special ability "enhancement bonus" </blockquote><p>I'm fairly ceratin this is incorrect. The weapon must have an enhancement bonus alone of at least +6.
<p>There are ways to do it, though. A <i>+4 bane weapon</i> striking at the correct creature type, for example.</p>Hama wrote:Epic weapons are any weapons whose combined enhancement bonus is +6 or higher to the ceilling of +10. Combined means Enhancement bonus plus any special ability "enhancement bonus"
I'm fairly ceratin this is incorrect. The weapon must have an enhancement bonus alone of at least +6. There are ways to do it, though. A +4 bane weapon striking at the correct creature type, for example.ryric (RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32)2012-11-15T00:58:25ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and SmiteHamahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#132012-11-15T01:07:17Z2012-11-15T00:46:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zaister wrote:</div><blockquote><p> DR/epic is a weird relic of the 3.5 era anyway. Unless I'm completely mistaken, Pathfinder doesn't currently have any rules that allow magic weapons with a +6 or higher enhancement bonus, so in effect there is no way to overcome it (except my methods that overcome all sorts of DR, like smite), so it could just as well be DR/-.</p>
<p>On the smite issue: I don't think a measly non-mythic 1st level paladin should be able to overcome the DR/epic of, for example, a 20th level 10th tier almost-godlike mythic opponent. </blockquote><p>Epic weapons are any weapons whose combined enhancement bonus is +6 or higher to the ceilling of +10. Combined means Enhancement bonus plus any special ability "enhancement bonus"Zaister wrote:DR/epic is a weird relic of the 3.5 era anyway. Unless I'm completely mistaken, Pathfinder doesn't currently have any rules that allow magic weapons with a +6 or higher enhancement bonus, so in effect there is no way to overcome it (except my methods that overcome all sorts of DR, like smite), so it could just as well be DR/-.
On the smite issue: I don't think a measly non-mythic 1st level paladin should be able to overcome the DR/epic of, for example, a 20th level 10th tier...Hama2012-11-15T00:46:16ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and SmiteSerumhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#122012-11-15T00:28:35Z2012-11-15T00:28:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zaister wrote:</div><blockquote>On the smite issue: I don't think a measly non-mythic 1st level paladin should be able to overcome the DR/epic of, for example, a 20th level 10th tier almost-godlike mythic opponent. </blockquote><p>Why not? He's going to get killed, anyway. Let him get his 2d6+7 damage in, if he can even hit it.
<p>Besides, the same level 1 paladin can bypass the DR of many CR 20+ opponents, and get smeared the same way.</p>Zaister wrote:On the smite issue: I don't think a measly non-mythic 1st level paladin should be able to overcome the DR/epic of, for example, a 20th level 10th tier almost-godlike mythic opponent.
Why not? He's going to get killed, anyway. Let him get his 2d6+7 damage in, if he can even hit it. Besides, the same level 1 paladin can bypass the DR of many CR 20+ opponents, and get smeared the same way.Serum2012-11-15T00:28:35ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and SmiteZaisterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#112012-11-15T00:25:27Z2012-11-15T00:25:27Z<p>DR/epic is a weird relic of the 3.5 era anyway. Unless I'm completely mistaken, Pathfinder doesn't currently have any rules that allow magic weapons with a +6 or higher enhancement bonus, so in effect there is no way to overcome it (except my methods that overcome all sorts of DR, like smite), so it could just as well be DR/-.</p>
<p>On the smite issue: I don't think a measly non-mythic 1st level paladin should be able to overcome the DR/epic of, for example, a 20th level 10th tier almost-godlike mythic opponent.</p>DR/epic is a weird relic of the 3.5 era anyway. Unless I'm completely mistaken, Pathfinder doesn't currently have any rules that allow magic weapons with a +6 or higher enhancement bonus, so in effect there is no way to overcome it (except my methods that overcome all sorts of DR, like smite), so it could just as well be DR/-.
On the smite issue: I don't think a measly non-mythic 1st level paladin should be able to overcome the DR/epic of, for example, a 20th level 10th tier almost-godlike...Zaister2012-11-15T00:25:27ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and Smiteleo1925https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#102012-11-14T23:42:07Z2012-11-14T23:42:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">amorangias wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">leo1925 wrote:</div><blockquote> I vote for making DR/Epic not be overcomed by non mythic paladins. </blockquote><p>I vote against.
<p>Not that it's a matter that can be settled by a vote, but I see no reason to nerf paladins in the face of mythic foes. Being hit with the pure power of divine goodness should hurt. A lot.</p>
<p>And it's not like with the number of smites a Paladin has daily, this lets him casually go "lol, screw your epic DR forever!" or anything like that. </blockquote><p>I disagree but i don't want to get to a smite discusion right now.
<p>Other than smite there is also the penetrating strike feat (and the greater version) that we need to worry about.</p>amorangias wrote:leo1925 wrote: I vote for making DR/Epic not be overcomed by non mythic paladins.
I vote against. Not that it's a matter that can be settled by a vote, but I see no reason to nerf paladins in the face of mythic foes. Being hit with the pure power of divine goodness should hurt. A lot.
And it's not like with the number of smites a Paladin has daily, this lets him casually go "lol, screw your epic DR forever!" or anything like that. I disagree but i don't want to get to a...leo19252012-11-14T23:42:07ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and Smiteamorangiashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#92014-05-04T23:24:51Z2012-11-14T23:36:47Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">leo1925 wrote:</div><blockquote> I vote for making DR/Epic not be overcomed by non mythic paladins. </blockquote><p>I vote against.
<p>Not that it's a matter that can be settled by a vote, but I see no reason to nerf paladins in the face of mythic foes. Being hit with the pure power of divine goodness should hurt. A lot.</p>
<p>And it's not like with the number of smites a Paladin has daily, this lets him casually go "lol, screw your epic DR forever!" or anything like that.</p>leo1925 wrote:I vote for making DR/Epic not be overcomed by non mythic paladins.
I vote against. Not that it's a matter that can be settled by a vote, but I see no reason to nerf paladins in the face of mythic foes. Being hit with the pure power of divine goodness should hurt. A lot.
And it's not like with the number of smites a Paladin has daily, this lets him casually go "lol, screw your epic DR forever!" or anything like that.amorangias2012-11-14T23:36:47ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and SmiteHamahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#82012-11-14T23:33:34Z2012-11-14T23:33:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">leo1925 wrote:</div><blockquote> I vote for making DR/Epic not be overcomed by non mythic paladins. </blockquote><p>That would settle the issue.leo1925 wrote:I vote for making DR/Epic not be overcomed by non mythic paladins.
That would settle the issue.Hama2012-11-14T23:33:34ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and Smiteleo1925https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#72012-11-14T23:29:48Z2012-11-14T23:29:48Z<p>I vote for making DR/Epic not be overcomed by non mythic paladins.</p>I vote for making DR/Epic not be overcomed by non mythic paladins.leo19252012-11-14T23:29:48ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and SmiteThe_Hanged_Manhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#62012-11-14T23:25:37Z2012-11-14T23:25:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jason Bulmahn wrote:</div><blockquote><p> RAW, smite would currently bypass DR/Epic.</p>
<p>Jason Bulmahn
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Lead Designer
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Paizo Publishing </blockquote><p>That settles it then. I will be curious if it is felt in the playtest that smite trivializes DR/Epic though.Jason Bulmahn wrote:RAW, smite would currently bypass DR/Epic.
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
That settles it then. I will be curious if it is felt in the playtest that smite trivializes DR/Epic though.The_Hanged_Man2012-11-14T23:25:37ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and SmiteJason Bulmahn (Director of Game Design)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#52012-11-14T23:08:04Z2012-11-14T23:08:04Z<p>RAW, smite would currently bypass DR/Epic.</p>
<p>Jason Bulmahn
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Lead Designer
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Paizo Publishing</p>RAW, smite would currently bypass DR/Epic.
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo PublishingJason Bulmahn (Director of Game Design)2012-11-14T23:08:04ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and SmiteDefadehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#42012-11-14T22:59:10Z2012-11-14T22:59:10Z<p>I seem to recall James Jacobs mentioning that he doesn't allow smite to bypass DR/epic and DR/-, but that's his own houserule. </p>
<p>As DM, I would agree with him, but as Marthian has stated, going by RAW would mean smite bypasses even DR/epic and DR/-.</p>I seem to recall James Jacobs mentioning that he doesn't allow smite to bypass DR/epic and DR/-, but that's his own houserule.
As DM, I would agree with him, but as Marthian has stated, going by RAW would mean smite bypasses even DR/epic and DR/-.Defade2012-11-14T22:59:10ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and Smiteprototype00https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#32012-11-14T22:55:24Z2012-11-14T22:55:24Z<p>Hmm the wording is pretty clear:</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>Regardless of the target, smite evil attacks automatically bypass any DR the creature might possess.</blockquote><p>Why wouldn't/shouldn't it bypass DR/Epic?
<p>prototype00</p>Hmm the wording is pretty clear:
Quote:Regardless of the target, smite evil attacks automatically bypass any DR the creature might possess.
Why wouldn't/shouldn't it bypass DR/Epic? prototype00prototype002012-11-14T22:55:24ZRe: Forums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and SmiteMarthianhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#22012-11-14T22:53:35Z2012-11-14T22:53:35Z<p>still by RAW, I would say yes, Smite would still bypass DR/Epic.</p>
<p>My opinion, I would still say yes.</p>still by RAW, I would say yes, Smite would still bypass DR/Epic.
My opinion, I would still say yes.Marthian2012-11-14T22:53:35ZForums/Mythic Adventures Playtest: General Discussion: DR/Epic and SmiteThe_Hanged_Manhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5on?DREpic-and-Smite#12012-11-14T22:52:19Z2012-11-14T22:52:19Z<p>Any thoughts on if Smite would allow you to ignore DR/Epic? My own feeling is that it should not, but am curious to hear other opinions.</p>Any thoughts on if Smite would allow you to ignore DR/Epic? My own feeling is that it should not, but am curious to hear other opinions.The_Hanged_Man2012-11-14T22:52:19Z