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Changing type to undead. What racial traits are lost?


Rules Questions


If a human sorcerer becomes a vampire at lvl 5 (type changes from humanoid(human) to undead (augmented humanoid human) )

Does he:
1) Loose all of his previous racial traits (+2to stat, bonus feat and +1 skillpoint/lvl)?

If not:
2) Then he keeps getting the +1 skill point/lvl from his human racial trait?

Additionally:
3) If he takes another level of sorcerer after he becomes a vamp (which changes his type) can he still gain his favored class bonus of +1 spell known for being human if he doesn't loose his human racial traits?


Vampire: "A vampire uses the base creature's stats and abilities except as noted here."

Ryeookin wrote:
1) Loose all of his previous racial traits (+2to stat

"Ability Scores Str +6, Dex +4, Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +4. As an undead creature, a vampire has no Constitution score."

Ryeookin wrote:
bonus feat

"Feats Vampires gain Alertness, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Improved Initiative, Lightning Reflexes, and Toughness as bonus feats."

Ryeookin wrote:
and +1 skillpoint/lvl)?

"Skills Vampires gain a +8 racial bonus on Bluff, Perception, Sense Motive, and Stealth checks."

Ryeookin wrote:
2) Then he keeps getting the +1 skill point/lvl from his human racial trait?

He's no longer human, so he doesn't continue to benefit from the human "Skilled" Racial Trait.

Ryeookin wrote:
3) If he takes another level of sorcerer after he becomes a vamp (which changes his type) can he still gain his favored class bonus of +1 spell known for being human if he doesn't loose his human racial traits?

Same answer.

All the stuff that's already happened has already happened. Your ability scores were what they were, and they're modified accordingly. Your skill ranks stay how they were. Moving on from that point, you're no longer human, so you don't gain further benefits from being human.

That's how it reads to me, anyway.


Grick wrote:
He's no longer human [...]

But he is, is he not?

"Vampire" is an acquired template, not a race. Any race can be a vampire. If racial traits would be lost, surely the text would state so, as it does in this case:
PRD wrote:

Armor Class: Natural armor improves by +6.

Hit Dice: Change all racial Hit Dice to d8s. [...]

So, if existing stats are explicitly raised or replaced, surely they would be explicitly removed as well?

... Losing the racial trait would be justified, if Resurrection would bring a killed Human Vampire back as Human Vampire... if the result is a Human without vampirism, apparently he has never stopped being human.
Unfortunately, the spell description is not quite clear on that part either.


It is an Acquired template: because it doesn't explicitly remove them then you don't lose them.

Now if you put your +2 into CON then you will lose that.

Vamp only adds onto the base creature. It Isn't like a Zombie or Skeleton.


Zsar wrote:
Grick wrote:
He's no longer human [...]
But he is, is he not?

"Type: The creature's type changes to undead (augmented)."

I take that to mean you're no longer a humanoid (human) you're an undead (augmented humanoid).

I guess it depends on what makes you human.


You gain the augmented subtype which IIRC that means you keep most features from your base type/subtype that isn't explicitly called out.

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