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blackbloodtroll wrote:
Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
I carry a vial of the Ebola germ for 'home defence'.
You are either being sarcastic, or you are a suicidal terrorist.

Deadpan humour doesn't come across well in the text medium. I could have used a smiley face emoticon, but then it would be 'deadpan' no longer.


I tend to be patient with people and I do advise talking to him. But the moment where he broke my miniatures (actually the moment he starts doing something like bashing them together, even if they don't break) I'd rise up and proclaim he never gets to touch any of my stuff again.

Give him a fair warning if he continues his behaviour. "Giving him time" will not solve anything if it doesn't come with some sort of confrontation. And the diplomatic one should always be first choice. 3rd would be passive-aggressive GMing. Not sure what 2nd is.


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Bbt - does this problem man/child also happen to have once played a character that ended up as tortle soup or are you surrounded by nitwits? ;)


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Oceanshieldwolf wrote:
Bbt - does this problem man/child also happen to have once played a character that ended up as tortle soup or are you surrounded by nitwits? ;)

Completely different guy.

The one you are talking about is way more easygoing once he started getting laid again.

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Actually, if dude had chipped my figs, after I told him to handle them carefully, especially if it was intentional, it'd have been on like Donkey Kong.

You don't key somebody's car, and you don't mishandle somebody's figs.


Iron_Stormhammer wrote:

The last player to join our group plays a Gunslinger. The first major NPC he met, he said "I put my pistol to his head" because he didn't like the guy. I started the encounter as if he really did it, and when the player protested with "no, I'm not really doing that, ha-ha" I told him that next time he says something like that we're rolling with it and he better be ready to back it up. So far, he hasn't done it again.

For completely different reasons, an exercise I proposed once for my group was that for just 1 session was that once game time, the only words you were allowed to utter were either in character, or describing in character actions. If you said something, you said it (or did it as the case may be). I forget if we did it or not, but it's an interesting and simple concept to throw out there.

BBT: I'm going to suggest something here that might sound... out of sync... with the rest of the comments on the thread. Take a step back and ask if your actually enjoying yourself at the game or what your there to do. If your there for a serious game, your not going to get it with him up to his antics. Without knowing what everyone is expecting out of the game it's hard to say if he's out of line, or your expecting something that the game isn't going to provide. Maybe that might be a good opening point to the conversation with either the rest of the group, the player or whatever. If everyone bar him says they want a serious game and he just wants to clown around... well... Games are a bit like sport. Saying your all playing sport is fine.... but if everyone wants to play basketball, but someone keeps smashing the ball with a bat screaming "Home run!" and giggling hysterically, that's not everyone playing in the same game, is it?

Now, if no-one else sees it as a problem and just wants to have some fun in the same way as he does, maybe you need to look at your own expectations and either shift them (shift, not lower... I love heavy RP, but kick in the door games can be fun if you know what your getting into) for the rest of the group. Put away Diemos the Gunslinger with an agenda to prove that gunpowder can be controlled and harnessed more safely than magic.... and pull out Ulric-Bad-Elf-Slayer. The AM Barbarian who slays elfs... Bad ones. And slays them badly. In ways that is bad. And he's bad too. RARG. >:(

It's really hard to convey pauses, accents and intonation in text. Anyone else ever noticed that?

As a newcomer and not a 'direct' friend, if you know your not alone in this, you actually have a fair amount of latitude here in so far as you can step up and say "Really? This is what we all want to do here, watch him break my mini's and play bongos. Cause I can bring guitar hero next time instead of the books...." They may be reluctant to stand up and kick things off because they are his friend and while they might not get gaming, they might be awesome outside of it and the other players concern is that colouring the rest of the friendship. Who knows, by being the person to instigate it all you might be doing them a favour because none of them want to.

Buuut.... make sure you can handle being voted off the island before you do bring it up. Cause that might happen too no matter what.


darkwarriorkarg wrote:

"Give him some time".

"I will. Call me when he acts older than five. I have other things to deal with than pretend autism."

autism isn't funny. I have asphergers and was sent to a mental hospital at 16 because they couldn't figure out why my meds were weird with me. turns out they messed with my cyclical manic depression :P

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Thomas Long 175 wrote:
darkwarriorkarg wrote:

"Give him some time".

"I will. Call me when he acts older than five. I have other things to deal with than pretend autism."

autism isn't funny. I have asphergers and was sent to a mental hospital at 16 because they couldn't figure out why my meds were weird with me. turns out they messed with my cyclical manic depression :P

Well, now that we've caught you in a good mood, given your personal experience, how would you deal with this player if you were in the OP's position?

Your experience from the other side should be very helpful in this debate.


Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Thomas Long 175 wrote:
darkwarriorkarg wrote:

"Give him some time".

"I will. Call me when he acts older than five. I have other things to deal with than pretend autism."

autism isn't funny. I have asphergers and was sent to a mental hospital at 16 because they couldn't figure out why my meds were weird with me. turns out they messed with my cyclical manic depression :P

Well, now that we've caught you in a good mood, given your personal experience, how would you deal with this player if you were in the OP's position?

Your experience from the other side should be very helpful in this debate.

Hey Malachi, been a while :). I was just teasing about being angry thats why the :P.

Mostly if they have difficulty paying attention and you suspect either mental, sugar or caffeinated reasons behind it just give him something to do with his hands. Generally i bring a lot of dice to my games and I like to sit somewhere in the back so when I get really nervous I just start rolling excessively on the floor. Find out what he does when he's nervous and let him do it in a quiet way.

To be frank my gm thinks I just roll dice. I go through and count the number of dice rolled, total it, average it, calculate probability and look for statistical anomalies in every die roll. some people are just odd like that and it really messes with you having to sit still and feel like you're not doing anything.

Out of curiosity does your group have a certified face that deals with all npc interactions? Or does he get actual pc to npc interface time. One of the things that really messes with me as a player is sitting there listening to another player have a longwinded chat with a fictional person.


Ask him for a coin or something else and have that represent his character.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Oceanshieldwolf wrote:
Bbt - does this problem man/child also happen to have once played a character that ended up as tortle soup or are you surrounded by nitwits? ;)

Completely different guy.

The one you are talking about is way more easygoing once he started getting laid again.

Well maybe you've got a solution to this new problem there =)

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Thomas Long 175 wrote:


autism isn't funny. I have asphergers and was sent to a mental hospital at 16 because they couldn't figure out why my meds were weird with me. turns out they messed with my cyclical manic depression :P

Our 14 year old daughter has asphergers and I wish she could play role-playing games or even chat people up online. Every day she builds a lego cube with several hundred bricks, takes it apart, builds it, takes it apart, etc. Been going on for a year or more. She had other compulsions before that. She didn't speak until she was 3, and doesn't speak often now, but when she does she won't shut up! Trying to expose her to new things and helping her to be something more than a shut-in is difficult, and sometimes frustrating. Her case seems more severe than yours. You seem to be in a good position to help educate people about the condition.

Anyways, she has been on quite a few medications, and while none affected her in the way you describe, there were some months where she squirmed about so much she couldn't sit still for 10 seconds, and couldn't scarcely walk in a straight line enough to cross the street.


i have aspbergers too. although i have learned to manage most of the issues. i still freak out the unware in my local closed minded community.


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As I said, I have already asked about psychological, emotional, and developmental conditions.

There are none known to be present.

@Thomas Long 175: Due to an unreliable Bard, I am the core "face" PC. I frequently call upon other PCs when interacting with NPCs, as I dislike eating up spotlight, and prefer that others assist. I also like to call upon fellow players when their skills/abilities would be most relevant and useful. I tend to make sure I am aware of each player's strengths and weaknesses.


what all have you got him keyed in as a strength (as we're readily apparent of some of his weaknesses)?


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AndIMustMask wrote:
what all have you got him keyed in as a strength (as we're readily apparent of some of his weaknesses)?

He has a decent built Archer Ranger, and he heavily invested in tracking(Survival).

He has a poor charisma, and is not strong in melee.

Wait, are you speaking his strengths as person?


Dotting.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
AndIMustMask wrote:
what all have you got him keyed in as a strength (as we're readily apparent of some of his weaknesses)?

He has a decent built Archer Ranger, and he heavily invested in tracking(Survival).

He has a poor charisma, and is not strong in melee.

Wait, are you speaking his strengths as person?

both, actually. if you guys arent in an AP or anything you could have a word with the gm to add more stuff for man-child to do--keep him invested so he'll be less prone to disruptive boredom. you seem like an accomodating guy, but his threshold of 'okay bored now' might be much shorter.

then again that might just be a deterrant--he'll be invested now, but next game that isn't catered to him he'll start back up again.


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We are running Legacy of Fire.

The "math is hard" outburst actually occurred during a sniping mission, in which he was a key role in.


I have absolutely nothing useful to provide to this post. However, I wanted to thank you for giving me the idea to start making food to bring to my group gaming session! I love cooking and this is a wonderful way to share that love with people I enjoy hanging out with! How did I never think of this before?!


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Well, good food, and good company are a good combination.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

We are running Legacy of Fire.

The "math is hard" outburst actually occurred during a sniping mission, in which he was a key role in.

The math is hard thing always irritates me. I've had players who didn't know what die to roll for a skill check after 2 months in campaign.

My friend suggests getting a nerf ball because they are "freaking distracting" :P


Manchildren are a complicated bunch, each one has their own unique way of irritating a particular group. I could offer some kind of reasonable advice like, "play on a different day so he cant make it" or the ever mentioned but often foolish, "talk to him about it" but no. Certainly your only option is talking s@!! about him behind is back so eventually he slowly develops a subtle sense of paranoia. His outbursts will increase until he finally decides that he's scared of all of you and leaves the group, mildly scarred from the unnerving social situation you have put him in.

But naw... tell him he's annoying, accept the fallout.


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TheKingsportCockroach wrote:

Manchildren are a complicated bunch, each one has their own unique way of irritating a particular group. I could offer some kind of reasonable advice like, "play on a different day so he cant make it" or the ever mentioned but often foolish, "talk to him about it" but no. Certainly your only option is talking s!*! about him behind is back so eventually he slowly develops a subtle sense of paranoia. His outbursts will increase until he finally decides that he's scared of all of you and leaves the group, mildly scarred from the unnerving social situation you have put him in.

But naw... tell him he's annoying, accept the fallout.

Are you, insulting me for looking for advice?

I am not really sure what is being said, but it seems you are just being mean.

Could you clarify?


Haven't read the entire thread yet...

Try talking to your group without him. If they agree with you confront him as a group.

After all he seems to be ruining your fun. A GM should be concerned about that.


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be honest, blunt, and frank with him. inform him that his behavior is disrupting the game, help him find a behavioral coach to lead him in the proper direction. you don't need to pay for said coach, but you probably would like a means to communicate with them and an incentive to please the manchild until he no longer requires it.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Are you, insulting me for looking for advice?

I am not really sure what is being said, but it seems you are just being mean.

Could you clarify?

He's making a joke right up till the end. At the end he basically says, "screw his feelings tell him he's annoying"


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blackbloodtroll wrote:

Recently, a fellow player, who used to fall asleep about 5-10 minutes into game has become more active during session.

I was happy at first, but quickly wished he was asleep, due to his abrupt, and child-like behavior.

Examples:
Smashing miniatures together, and proclaiming they are fighting.

Grabbing the dice tin, and violently drumming on it.

Throwing his character sheet upon the table, and proclaiming "Math is hard! Why does this game have so much stupid math!"

Consistently reminds players, and the DM, that their miniature does not match their character.

Announces that his PC is attacking a NPC, or performing some other strange action, and seconds later stating his PC is not performing the action.

---------

Now, I am not sure how to deal with this kind of behavior, and would not like to do anything particular drastic just yet.

Has anyone else dealt with this kind of behavior?

Surely you are joking. This is actually a problem? You just described me and everyone I've ever played with! (And we all range from 25 to 28 years of age and posses varying levels of maturity.)

My brother used to fall asleep all the time. I slam minis together in mock battle like a kid with action figures from time to time. Other players not only do drum rolls, but bring about other odd sounds ranging from farts to show tunes (generally from their smart phones). We've all discussed how minis are rarely accurate representations at one point or another. And I for one am TERRIBLE at math, often making mistakes even with simple calculations (which can be terribly frustrating and embarrassing).

Is this not true of other tabletop roleplayers? Judging from the number of people who want to migrate to your table, I'm thinking it is.


But probably not to the point of overdoing it. As seems the case here.


If you can't get along with the guy, my experience is people who are dicks are just dicks... they may only be a dick in a specific dynamic or dynamics... it doesn't have to be anybody's fault. Sit him down and talk to him, and maybe he can fly right. If he can't, sit him down with the group and see if more people chime in and shame him into not spoiling the fun. Failing that, I'd bug out until he's gone or a new gaming group forms.

As a digression question that seems to have popped up in the thread... I host a game for four other people who are on the more "wholesome" end of the spectrum (I love junk food, but this group normally won't eat it) ... I usually spring for raspberries or a bowl of grapes and a cheese plate with some crackers ... but after 5 sessions running I'm wondering if anybody has any other ideas or experiences that are on the same level of wholesomeness (granting that eating so much rich cheese is not exactly wholesome) ... What ideas have y'all had/seen? I was thinking a crudite' of chopped veggies with some Onion dip... but would appreciate other ideas. I like providing some finger-snacks at my table, but don't want to go down as "That cheese guy".


Donuts sounds great... I only wish my party would eat them with me.


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Ravingdork wrote:

Surely you are joking. This is actually a problem? You just described me and everyone I've ever played with! (And we all range from 25 to 28 years of age and posses varying levels of maturity.)

My brother used to fall asleep all the time. I slam minis together in mock battle like a kid with action figures from time to time. Other players not only do drum rolls, but bring about other odd sounds ranging from farts to show tunes (generally from their smart phones). We've all discussed how minis are rarely accurate representations at one point or another. And I for one am TERRIBLE at math, often making mistakes even with simple calculations (which can be terribly frustrating and embarrassing).

Is this not true of other tabletop roleplayers? Judging from the number of people who want to migrate to your table, I'm thinking it is.

Are those your minis? Are you slamming them during combat? Are the noisy antics done with in the middle of RP or Battle? Do you stop people trying to declare attacks, to tell them they are attacking something else because the mini doesn't fit? Do you throw your character sheet in frustration of simple addition? Do you interrupt people in the middle RP to discuss a show you watched last night, then end that discussion abruptly to madly drum on a metal tin?

Not every game table is a mix of the Benny Hill Show and Pee-Wee's Playhouse. Not everyone is okay with constantly being interrupted and having their property, and courtesy, disrespected.

Even in a much more "wild and wacky" gaming environment, there usually an expected level of maturity and respect.


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Vicon wrote:
Donuts sounds great... I only wish my party would eat them with me.

Craft Beers are good.


When we Game on Saturdays, One or two drinks in a 6 hour session is allowed, but I don't want to make beer a thing because the GM doesn't drink during game and if people get too happy about it they might get other kinds of happy and that will make the GM sad. We don't drink at all on Sunday games, but that's not a religious decision... at least I don't think it is.

Thanks for the idea though.


It sounds like this guy needs to go though, Blackblood. You are a friggin' diamond and a mensch. He doesn't belong in your group.


Ravingdork wrote:

Surely you are joking. This is actually a problem? You just described me and everyone I've ever played with! (And we all range from 25 to 28 years of age and posses varying levels of maturity.)

My brother used to fall asleep all the time. I slam minis together in mock battle like a kid with action figures from time to time. Other players not only do drum rolls, but bring about other odd sounds ranging from farts to show tunes (generally from their smart phones). We've all discussed how minis are rarely accurate representations at one point or another. And I for one am TERRIBLE at math, often making mistakes even with simple calculations (which can be terribly frustrating and embarrassing).

Is this not true of other tabletop roleplayers? Judging from the number of people who want to migrate to your table, I'm thinking it is.

Just a comment on the minis front...I make and paint the majority of our groups miniatures. I play Warhammer, and have what can only be described as a bits shelf, so assembling custom models for games is pretty simple. I also have a selection of 'stock' characters for one off games, new players and the like.

Each mini I make usually takes about 30 minutes to prepare for assembly (locating the right pieces, trimming down mold lines, etc) although some can take many hours, due to requiring some scratch building with green stuff putty. Assembly takes a few minutes, if I haven't screwed up anywhere, then we base coat it and after drying can paint it. Which given the layering, inking and washing effects I tend to use, takes between a couple of hours and a few days. Especially if I'm making a non-white character - my selection of non-Games Workshop paints is limited, so I have to mix non-white skin tones specially.

Having them smashed together would send me flying into a horrible, murderous rage. I was pretty annoyed recently when I found my wife's miniature for the Carrion Crown had it's arm snapped off and missing. It was especially frustrating because it was Azumi from Studio McVey, which is frustrating as we couldn't replace the arm or model. Fortunately Mike McVey is awesome, and sent me a spare arm free of charge (and without asking for my address...O.o).


JonGarrett wrote:
Having them smashed together would send me flying into a horrible, murderous rage.

I am the same.

JonGarrett wrote:
I was pretty annoyed recently when I found my wife's miniature for the Carrion Crown had it's arm snapped off and missing. It was especially frustrating because it was Azumi from Studio McVey, which is frustrating as we couldn't replace the arm or model. Fortunately Mike McVey is awesome, and sent me a spare arm free of charge (and without asking for my address...O.o).

He does have a reputation for such. And... It probably was something as mundane as locating your order and address.

but spooky none-the-less...


blackbloodtroll wrote:


I do provide the donuts.

Are they Krispy Kream?


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Ravingdork wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Recently, a fellow player, who used to fall asleep about 5-10 minutes into game has become more active during session.

I was happy at first, but quickly wished he was asleep, due to his abrupt, and child-like behavior.

Examples:
Smashing miniatures together, and proclaiming they are fighting.

Grabbing the dice tin, and violently drumming on it.

Throwing his character sheet upon the table, and proclaiming "Math is hard! Why does this game have so much stupid math!"

Consistently reminds players, and the DM, that their miniature does not match their character.

Announces that his PC is attacking a NPC, or performing some other strange action, and seconds later stating his PC is not performing the action.

---------

Now, I am not sure how to deal with this kind of behavior, and would not like to do anything particular drastic just yet.

Has anyone else dealt with this kind of behavior?

Surely you are joking. This is actually a problem? You just described me and everyone I've ever played with! (And we all range from 25 to 28 years of age and posses varying levels of maturity.)

My brother used to fall asleep all the time. I slam minis together in mock battle like a kid with action figures from time to time. Other players not only do drum rolls, but bring about other odd sounds ranging from farts to show tunes (generally from their smart phones). We've all discussed how minis are rarely accurate representations at one point or another. And I for one am TERRIBLE at math, often making mistakes even with simple calculations (which can be terribly frustrating and embarrassing).

Is this not true of other tabletop roleplayers? Judging from the number of people who want to migrate to your table, I'm thinking it is.

Most of those are issues, especially sleeping during a game. That is one that truly bothers me. If I'm GMing something, at least have the courtesy to pay attention. I've had to DM on no sleep after being up for 24+ hours, so I don't take any "But I'm tiiiired" b#&@#!&$. It's called caffeine. Use it.

And all of those other things aren't too bad as long as they aren't interrupting the flow of the game. If it's once in a while, no biggie. But if you're constantly doing it and it's starting to really make the game drag, make some effort to stop. And as for math, I am also terrible at math. But you know what? I make the extra effort and add my bonuses ad write them down ahead of time. Hell I'll count on my fingers if I have to. Or use a calculator. They are on cell phones, smartphones, laptops, kindles... hell just buy one! They are useful.

In the group I'm in, the only real issue we have is that just about everyone there is much older than me and has history together. Often, the game gets sidetracked by another story from the good ol' days and the game is interrupted. But hell, we are getting better about that so it's all good. As long as you make the effort to minimize distractions, then everything is all good.


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JonGarrett wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:

Surely you are joking. This is actually a problem? You just described me and everyone I've ever played with! (And we all range from 25 to 28 years of age and posses varying levels of maturity.)

My brother used to fall asleep all the time. I slam minis together in mock battle like a kid with action figures from time to time. Other players not only do drum rolls, but bring about other odd sounds ranging from farts to show tunes (generally from their smart phones). We've all discussed how minis are rarely accurate representations at one point or another. And I for one am TERRIBLE at math, often making mistakes even with simple calculations (which can be terribly frustrating and embarrassing).

Is this not true of other tabletop roleplayers? Judging from the number of people who want to migrate to your table, I'm thinking it is.

Just a comment on the minis front...I make and paint the majority of our groups miniatures. I play Warhammer, and have what can only be described as a bits shelf, so assembling custom models for games is pretty simple. I also have a selection of 'stock' characters for one off games, new players and the like.

Each mini I make usually takes about 30 minutes to prepare for assembly (locating the right pieces, trimming down mold lines, etc) although some can take many hours, due to requiring some scratch building with green stuff putty. Assembly takes a few minutes, if I haven't screwed up anywhere, then we base coat it and after drying can paint it. Which given the layering, inking and washing effects I tend to use, takes between a couple of hours and a few days. Especially if I'm making a non-white character - my selection of non-Games Workshop paints is limited, so I have to mix non-white skin tones specially.

Having them smashed together would send me flying into a horrible, murderous rage. I was pretty annoyed recently when I found my wife's miniature for the Carrion Crown had it's arm snapped off and missing. It was especially frustrating...

+1 on this. Respect other people's property. Don't break their stuff. It's the little things that really add up. And I too am a WH40k player so I am very hesitant to have anyone touch my models.


Nether wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:


I do provide the donuts.
Are they Krispy Kream?

All of the idiocy from people raving about krispy kreams years ago used to to drive me nuts.

But, I have on a few occasions since had a glazed one steaming hot, and they almost melt in your mouth, so I can see how someone could get so stupid over a doughnut.


I play Infinity: The Game... They are all metal and very fiddly . Warhammer FB/40K players have it easy.


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Ciaran Barnes wrote:
Nether wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:


I do provide the donuts.
Are they Krispy Kream?

All of the idiocy from people raving about krispy kreams years ago used to to drive me nuts.

But, I have on a few occasions since had a glazed one steaming hot, and they almost melt in your mouth, so I can see how someone could get so stupid over a doughnut.

It's like the bacon of doughnuts


Odraude wrote:
Ciaran Barnes wrote:
Nether wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:


I do provide the donuts.
Are they Krispy Kream?

All of the idiocy from people raving about krispy kreams years ago used to to drive me nuts.

But, I have on a few occasions since had a glazed one steaming hot, and they almost melt in your mouth, so I can see how someone could get so stupid over a doughnut.

It's like the bacon of doughnuts

lol, soo true my friend, soo true!

If Blackblood is bringing this gold to the table, i will fly to where ever his game is just to play a game over some krispy kreams.

There is donuts, and then there is Krispy Kreams. It is like night and day .


Odraude wrote:
It's like the bacon of doughnuts

Great now I want a Bacon Doughnut...

@Nether: Dunkin' Doughnuts. In my area Krispy Kremes get old fast.


Azaelas Fayth wrote:
Odraude wrote:
It's like the bacon of doughnuts

Great now I want a Bacon Doughnut...

@Nether: Dunkin' Doughnuts. In my area Krispy Kremes get old fast.

Where we live Krispy Kremes never survive long enough to get old. :D


mousestalker wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:
Odraude wrote:
It's like the bacon of doughnuts

Great now I want a Bacon Doughnut...

@Nether: Dunkin' Doughnuts. In my area Krispy Kremes get old fast.

Where we live Krispy Kremes never survive long enough to get old. :D

Here it is more of everywhere has Krispy Kreme Doughnuts.


Azaelas Fayth wrote:
mousestalker wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:
Odraude wrote:
It's like the bacon of doughnuts

Great now I want a Bacon Doughnut...

@Nether: Dunkin' Doughnuts. In my area Krispy Kremes get old fast.

Where we live Krispy Kremes never survive long enough to get old. :D
Here it is more of everywhere has Krispy Kreme Doughnuts.

OMG, i dont know where you live, but i want to move there!

Shadow Lodge

Mmmmmmm, donuts.

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