paizo.com Recent Posts in Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingpaizo.com Recent Posts in Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reacting2012-11-12T18:46:21Z2012-11-12T18:46:21ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingOrthoshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#392012-11-15T16:34:38Z2012-11-15T16:34:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>Imagine if every time you rolled a critical and hit, you got to do the damage, but because of this every monster on the field currently saw you make the clean swing and are now forced to focus fire on that one character. In almost all situations this could be extraordinary. </blockquote><p>... that's pretty much how all intelligent monsters should probably act. "This guy's the most dangerous! Focus on him! Block off his escape!" Whether that person is the crit-sweeping fighter, the mage ripping apart reality around them, or the rogue cutting out everybody's spleens, a smart opponent SHOULD focus on removing the biggest threat.
<p>The question is whether or not the GM is ONLY throwing those kinds of tactics EVERY TIME, and not sparsing them in with some dumb brutes, some overconfident mages, some arrogant dragons, and/or some diabolical masterminds who are deluded into their own perceived invincibility.</p>Quote:Imagine if every time you rolled a critical and hit, you got to do the damage, but because of this every monster on the field currently saw you make the clean swing and are now forced to focus fire on that one character. In almost all situations this could be extraordinary.
... that's pretty much how all intelligent monsters should probably act. "This guy's the most dangerous! Focus on him! Block off his escape!" Whether that person is the crit-sweeping fighter, the mage ripping apart...Orthos2012-11-15T16:34:38ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingKHShadowrunnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#382012-11-15T16:18:32Z2012-11-15T16:18:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Animation wrote:</div><blockquote><p> So, simply from curiosity, I am trying to figure out this bard's numbers. He is level 10, so I guess he could have:</p>
<p>Stat +5
<br />
Savant trait +2
<br />
Class skill bonus +3
<br />
Ranks +10
<br />
Skill Focus feat +6 (level bonus included)
<br />
Prodigy feat +4 (level bonus included)
<br />
Magic & equipment +X</p>
<p>I guess if he were into Oratory he could make Speeches at +3 to the above using the Voice of the Sibyl. But assuming not, that all comes down to a perform check of d20 + X + 30, where X is any bonus from spells, magic items, and gear. Not bad. Is there a way for bards to take 10 on Perform checks?</p>
<p>Anyway, thats pretty cool.</p>
<p>Are there any other wacky prestige classes or archetypes that could push it higher? Either a flat bonus or a scaling one (such as how a Diviner gets lvl/2 to initiative checks)?</p>
<p></blockquote><p>A second bard could inspire competence?Animation wrote:So, simply from curiosity, I am trying to figure out this bard's numbers. He is level 10, so I guess he could have:
Stat +5
Savant trait +2
Class skill bonus +3
Ranks +10
Skill Focus feat +6 (level bonus included)
Prodigy feat +4 (level bonus included)
Magic & equipment +X
I guess if he were into Oratory he could make Speeches at +3 to the above using the Voice of the Sibyl. But assuming not, that all comes down to a perform check of d20 + X + 30, where X is any bonus from...KHShadowrunner2012-11-15T16:18:32ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingKHShadowrunnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#372012-11-15T16:15:24Z2012-11-15T16:15:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">John Kerpan wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Just a note to all you who are worried about picking on people for their skills and fame:</p>
<p>It is not about picking on them, I think. It is about using their character, and the choices they made building them, to make the story grow. While it is fun for people in the town to whistle your tunes even if they do not know your face, it is much cooler to have the plot for an adventure (or a drawn out plot over many adventures) focus around you because you are doing well.</p>
<p>Most people have negative ideas (as is trying to take something away, not as in bad) because that is a strong motivator for plot. However, the positive ideas (adding something to the character) can be a powerful motivator too. Who wouldn't want to perform for Gods?</p>
<p>In terms of keeping it real, yes, fame brings rivals, and rivals can vary on the crazy scale. You can have friendly rivals, professional rivals, or rivals who are bitter enemies. Again, lots of room for development! </blockquote><p>That's fine and like I said, I can see the need for it or at least from a story perspective it happening. But it really does sound like punishment for being -too- good at a skill. I could be wrong, but I can't think of any other skill where you actually get a boon for rolling too high.
<p>Imagine if every time you rolled a critical and hit, you got to do the damage, but because of this every monster on the field currently saw you make the clean swing and are now forced to focus fire on that one character. In almost all situations this could be extraordinary. </p>
<p>I think someone else homed it right. I'm fine with some story, but there needs to be a more-than-right reward and it needs to inspire the bard to continue doing what he does. </p>
<p>For instance:</p>
<p>If I pick up an obsessed follower, he hires 9 body guards to assault me when I next approach the tavern and as reward I get 5 gold? Maybe a pair of heavy boots (these are body guards) that are magical but NOT what a bard can wear, or a pan-pipe when i'm rolling 40's in oratory skills, I'm just left with a sour taste. </p>
<p>Worse yet. If this happens more than once, or if the fight is dangerous enough even once, I do not warrant even the max gold (3d6?) being worth this unless I wanted some weird form of "random encounter" to occur. I'd just put my skills to rest and get on with the main plot or the rest of the adventure, effectively wasting all those skills (save for performances in combat).</p>
<p>The goal is to reward. Reward in story, and reward in value. It's to encourage, encourage to continue to hone and continue to perform.</p>
<p>If every other time I go out to play I get some psycho trying to take me out, I'm packing up my services and sticking to acrobatics.</p>John Kerpan wrote:Just a note to all you who are worried about picking on people for their skills and fame:
It is not about picking on them, I think. It is about using their character, and the choices they made building them, to make the story grow. While it is fun for people in the town to whistle your tunes even if they do not know your face, it is much cooler to have the plot for an adventure (or a drawn out plot over many adventures) focus around you because you are doing well.
Most...KHShadowrunner2012-11-15T16:15:24ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingJohn Kerpanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#362012-11-15T15:30:38Z2012-11-15T15:30:38Z<p>Just a note to all you who are worried about picking on people for their skills and fame:</p>
<p>It is not about picking on them, I think. It is about using their character, and the choices they made building them, to make the story grow. While it is fun for people in the town to whistle your tunes even if they do not know your face, it is much cooler to have the plot for an adventure (or a drawn out plot over many adventures) focus around you because you are doing well.</p>
<p>Most people have negative ideas (as is trying to take something away, not as in bad) because that is a strong motivator for plot. However, the positive ideas (adding something to the character) can be a powerful motivator too. Who wouldn't want to perform for Gods?</p>
<p>In terms of keeping it real, yes, fame brings rivals, and rivals can vary on the crazy scale. You can have friendly rivals, professional rivals, or rivals who are bitter enemies. Again, lots of room for development!</p>Just a note to all you who are worried about picking on people for their skills and fame:
It is not about picking on them, I think. It is about using their character, and the choices they made building them, to make the story grow. While it is fun for people in the town to whistle your tunes even if they do not know your face, it is much cooler to have the plot for an adventure (or a drawn out plot over many adventures) focus around you because you are doing well.
Most people have negative...John Kerpan2012-11-15T15:30:38ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#352012-11-15T14:21:05Z2012-11-15T14:21:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bryan Dornan wrote:</div><blockquote><p> This whole thing reminds me of Amadeus, in which Mozart gained greater popularity with the common crowd than he did the nobility.</p>
<p>Perhaps challenge him to play before nobility and possibly earn an honorary title, but with great fame comes a price. Maybe not necessarily stalkers or the jilted husbands of crazy wives, but perhaps rivals in the field.</p>
<p>Yeah, not terribly original, but it seems like it would be fun. </blockquote><p>...that was GOD laughing at me!Bryan Dornan wrote:This whole thing reminds me of Amadeus, in which Mozart gained greater popularity with the common crowd than he did the nobility.
Perhaps challenge him to play before nobility and possibly earn an honorary title, but with great fame comes a price. Maybe not necessarily stalkers or the jilted husbands of crazy wives, but perhaps rivals in the field.
Yeah, not terribly original, but it seems like it would be fun.
...that was GOD laughing at me!blackbloodtroll2012-11-15T14:21:05ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingAnimationhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#342014-10-18T17:32:26Z2012-11-15T13:56:35Z<p>So, simply from curiosity, I am trying to figure out this bard's numbers. He is level 10, so I guess he could have:</p>
<p>Stat +5
<br />
Savant trait +2
<br />
Class skill bonus +3
<br />
Ranks +10
<br />
Skill Focus feat +6 (level bonus included)
<br />
Prodigy feat +4 (level bonus included)
<br />
Magic & equipment +X</p>
<p>I guess if he were into Oratory he could make Speeches at +3 to the above using the Voice of the Sibyl. But assuming not, that all comes down to a perform check of d20 + X + 30, where X is any bonus from spells, magic items, and gear. Not bad. Is there a way for bards to take 10 on Perform checks?</p>
<p>Anyway, thats pretty cool.</p>
<p>Are there any other wacky prestige classes or archetypes that could push it higher? Either a flat bonus or a scaling one (such as how a Diviner gets lvl/2 to initiative checks)?</p>So, simply from curiosity, I am trying to figure out this bard's numbers. He is level 10, so I guess he could have:
Stat +5
Savant trait +2
Class skill bonus +3
Ranks +10
Skill Focus feat +6 (level bonus included)
Prodigy feat +4 (level bonus included)
Magic & equipment +X
I guess if he were into Oratory he could make Speeches at +3 to the above using the Voice of the Sibyl. But assuming not, that all comes down to a perform check of d20 + X + 30, where X is any bonus from spells, magic...Animation2012-11-15T13:56:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingHarrisonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#332012-11-15T11:41:07Z2012-11-15T11:41:07Z<p>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/perform</p>
<p>DC 30: Extraordinary performance. In a prosperous city, you can earn 3d6 gp/day. <b>In time, you may draw attention from distant patrons, or even from extraplanar beings.</b></p>
<p>I wouldn't be surprised if Cayden Cailean or Shelyn wanted him to perform for them, if he's consistently passing DC 40 checks.</p>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/perform
DC 30: Extraordinary performance. In a prosperous city, you can earn 3d6 gp/day. In time, you may draw attention from distant patrons, or even from extraplanar beings.
I wouldn't be surprised if Cayden Cailean or Shelyn wanted him to perform for them, if he's consistently passing DC 40 checks.Harrison2012-11-15T11:41:07ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingsshagenthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#322012-11-15T11:17:53Z2012-11-15T11:17:53Z<p>Let him enjoy some positive attention, then have an Evil Outside type decide he wants the bard for his court. Maybe he'll send minions to track him down and request he serve, then escalate to trying to kidnap him. Really turn the heat up, so that in the end the Bard has to start wearing a disguie and tries to keep a low profile</p>Let him enjoy some positive attention, then have an Evil Outside type decide he wants the bard for his court. Maybe he'll send minions to track him down and request he serve, then escalate to trying to kidnap him. Really turn the heat up, so that in the end the Bard has to start wearing a disguie and tries to keep a low profilesshagent2012-11-15T11:17:53ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingConnorElzaimhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#312012-11-15T11:12:41Z2012-11-15T11:12:41Z<p>This whole thing reminds me of Amadeus, in which Mozart gained greater popularity with the common crowd than he did the nobility.</p>
<p>Perhaps challenge him to play before nobility and possibly earn an honorary title, but with great fame comes a price. Maybe not necessarily stalkers or the jilted husbands of crazy wives, but perhaps rivals in the field.</p>
<p>Yeah, not terribly original, but it seems like it would be fun.</p>This whole thing reminds me of Amadeus, in which Mozart gained greater popularity with the common crowd than he did the nobility.
Perhaps challenge him to play before nobility and possibly earn an honorary title, but with great fame comes a price. Maybe not necessarily stalkers or the jilted husbands of crazy wives, but perhaps rivals in the field.
Yeah, not terribly original, but it seems like it would be fun.ConnorElzaim2012-11-15T11:12:41ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingWeirdohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#302012-11-15T01:23:33Z2012-11-15T01:23:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">AndIMustMask wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">KHShadowrunner wrote:</div><blockquote>I'm pretty sure you just wind up pissing off people for doing well. </blockquote><p>pretty much everything but that composite longbow bit would be an example of "realistic world and intelligent DM".
<p>if you have a reputation amongst your enemies, of course they're going to exploit it. why wouldn't they? </blockquote><p>This isn't a matter of your enemies exploiting your reputation, it's getting <i>new enemies</i> because of your reputation. Would you suggest that a character who had a talent for being very accurate, or who was a great crafter or counterspeller, should attract new enemies by virtue of this talent?
<p>If any PC talent attracts the occasional jealousy or crazy rival, that's fine. For example, I'm currently in a light game where a powerful extraplanar creature has decided he wants to steal my bard's vocal cords as a trophy. But this is just after the ranger attracted the attention of a jealous mob boss who prided himself in his archery, so it's fair enough (and after helping the ranger with his mob boss, I'm enjoying my own little plot hook). I think KHShadowrunner is worried that this is a case of disproportionately attacking the bard.</p>
<p>And I still think that in general even if you do throw in the occasional downside to PC fame, the upsides should at least match if not outweigh the downsides. In my group, fame is typically seen as an extra reward for doing heroic things, not a hazard.</p>AndIMustMask wrote:KHShadowrunner wrote:I'm pretty sure you just wind up pissing off people for doing well.
pretty much everything but that composite longbow bit would be an example of "realistic world and intelligent DM". if you have a reputation amongst your enemies, of course they're going to exploit it. why wouldn't they? This isn't a matter of your enemies exploiting your reputation, it's getting new enemies because of your reputation. Would you suggest that a character who had a talent...Weirdo2012-11-15T01:23:33ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingAnimationhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#292012-11-14T21:34:01Z2012-11-14T21:34:01Z<p>From a game mechanics perspective, what feats and skills do you push to be a great performer, composer, and musician? What ways exist to make your check truly over the top? Are Bards the best at this, not counting the magic aspect?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>From a game mechanics perspective, what feats and skills do you push to be a great performer, composer, and musician? What ways exist to make your check truly over the top? Are Bards the best at this, not counting the magic aspect?
Thanks!Animation2012-11-14T21:34:01ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingDust Ravenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#282012-11-14T21:12:10Z2012-11-14T21:12:10Z<p>I don't see anything particularly viral about consistently performing extremely well. Sure, he'll affect those who see/hear such performances, and some of those may tell others, but unless those others also experience the bard's performances the word of mouth will stop there. He'll ultimately be no more famous in his lifetime than any other bard. It won't be until long after his death, as his works continue to spread, eventually into the hands of someone who is truly inspired by them to share them with all, in the composer's name, that this bard will have any true notoriety.</p>
<p>Unless of course he's an attention hog who laps up praise and fortune from those he entertains. Doesn't seem to be the case here though.</p>I don't see anything particularly viral about consistently performing extremely well. Sure, he'll affect those who see/hear such performances, and some of those may tell others, but unless those others also experience the bard's performances the word of mouth will stop there. He'll ultimately be no more famous in his lifetime than any other bard. It won't be until long after his death, as his works continue to spread, eventually into the hands of someone who is truly inspired by them to share...Dust Raven2012-11-14T21:12:10ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingSelkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#272012-11-14T20:55:58Z2012-11-14T20:55:58Z<p>- The songs he has sung and the tales he has spun would become part of the cultural landscape. Common folk would whistle his tunes not even knowing they're his.</p>
<p>- He should be regarded as a good luck charm by stewards, merchants and mercenary companies. "Bless our farm/boat/caravan/campaign with your song."</p>
<p>- Star eyed devotees arrive on his doorstep eager for apprenticeship. They make a shanty town commune/school in the shadow of his keep.</p>
<p>- The 'halfling voice' becomes the preferred musical fashion, causing humans to train boys to mimic the style - possibly with potions or castration to preserve their voices.</p>
<p>- A wizard fan names a new charm school spell after him. The same wizard begins to collect his songs and tales into book form and proposes his work be added to the study of literature.</p>
<p>- Other halfling entertainers begin impersonating him.</p>
<p>- A epicurean beast seeks him out - a Raksasha, Djinn or Devil - and offers him an extravagant treasure in trade for his voice.</p>- The songs he has sung and the tales he has spun would become part of the cultural landscape. Common folk would whistle his tunes not even knowing they're his.
- He should be regarded as a good luck charm by stewards, merchants and mercenary companies. "Bless our farm/boat/caravan/campaign with your song."
- Star eyed devotees arrive on his doorstep eager for apprenticeship. They make a shanty town commune/school in the shadow of his keep.
- The 'halfling voice' becomes the preferred...Selk2012-11-14T20:55:58ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingQuintainhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#262012-11-14T20:19:57Z2012-11-14T20:19:57Z<p>I smell a crazy stalker or two-dozen in his future.</p>I smell a crazy stalker or two-dozen in his future.Quintain2012-11-14T20:19:57ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingAndIMustMaskhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#252012-11-15T16:27:33Z2012-11-14T15:03:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">KHShadowrunner wrote:</div><blockquote>I'm pretty sure you just wind up pissing off people for doing well. </blockquote><p>pretty much everything but that composite longbow bit would be an example of "realistic world and intelligent DM".
<p>if you have a reputation amongst your enemies, of course they're going to exploit it. why wouldn't they?</p>KHShadowrunner wrote:I'm pretty sure you just wind up pissing off people for doing well.
pretty much everything but that composite longbow bit would be an example of "realistic world and intelligent DM". if you have a reputation amongst your enemies, of course they're going to exploit it. why wouldn't they?AndIMustMask2012-11-14T15:03:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingZontohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#242012-11-14T14:58:31Z2012-11-14T14:58:31Z<p>There could also be the jealous people - the husbands/wives of commoners who have fallen in love with this bard's music. Maybe some of them would take steps to silence this young upstart? Don't forget other (less talented, jealous) bards. Maybe they have connections with dangerous people and don't like all the attention that this bard is getting.</p>There could also be the jealous people - the husbands/wives of commoners who have fallen in love with this bard's music. Maybe some of them would take steps to silence this young upstart? Don't forget other (less talented, jealous) bards. Maybe they have connections with dangerous people and don't like all the attention that this bard is getting.Zonto2012-11-14T14:58:31ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingKHShadowrunnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#232012-11-14T14:45:56Z2012-11-14T14:45:56Z<p>Not to mention I'm biased, because it's the direction I'm taking and I'm almost always in the 25-30 range on my level 2 bard :) (masterwork instrument, 2 ranks, 3 class, 5 chr modifier, and some pretty darn good rolls)</p>Not to mention I'm biased, because it's the direction I'm taking and I'm almost always in the 25-30 range on my level 2 bard :) (masterwork instrument, 2 ranks, 3 class, 5 chr modifier, and some pretty darn good rolls)KHShadowrunner2012-11-14T14:45:56ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingKHShadowrunnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#222012-11-14T14:32:22Z2012-11-14T14:32:22Z<p>I accept that there may be interest in negative consequence. But only under certain circumstances. </p>
<p>I'll never try to relate to RL, because it's dangerous to do so. As an example: The JB example. How many people have -actually- gone out of their way to either completely ruin his life and-or threaten to end it? With actual negative action to him? It's minimalist at best, and that's in this day and age where you literally can spread news around the world in minutes.</p>
<p>Sure, there can be some sour apples out there in the world. But knowing the bard he would see this poor sod, invite him onto the stage to play with him, encourage him to do his best, and give his proceeds to get the lad a better instrument or more lessons and become something more.</p>
<p>What I guess I'm getting at is:</p>
<p>If you're going to do this, you should do it broad. If the fighter has shown ridiculous ability to beat AC, the next time they get into a major fight the enemy should say "Oh s@$#, I've seen and heard of this guy before", and immediately don something with a crap ton more AC.</p>
<p>Or if the wizard is reknown for dispelling magic, a trapper would recognize him coming and put down like.. 20 traps to burn through his dispels, and THEN use magic abilities so that they can't be stopped.</p>
<p>Or the crafter who made their fancy composite bow should have someone steal their materials because they think that this crafter is the god of crafting its self. Or the shop owner to double the price of all items in the store because the crafter "clearly" saw his composite longbow and decided hell, they'll save half the money and make it themselves. I mean, a business has to keep running.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure you just wind up pissing off people for doing well.</p>I accept that there may be interest in negative consequence. But only under certain circumstances.
I'll never try to relate to RL, because it's dangerous to do so. As an example: The JB example. How many people have -actually- gone out of their way to either completely ruin his life and-or threaten to end it? With actual negative action to him? It's minimalist at best, and that's in this day and age where you literally can spread news around the world in minutes.
Sure, there can be some...KHShadowrunner2012-11-14T14:32:22ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingAndIMustMaskhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#212012-11-15T16:26:06Z2012-11-14T14:20:24Z<p>this is mostly me just being horribly contrary, don't take it too seriously.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">KHShadowrunner wrote:</div><blockquote><p> As a bard, this thread gives me the shivers and almost makes me want to skip the taverns in the evenings.</p>
<p>Why are there so many suggestions that have negative consequence? Some of these suggestions remind me of some Sunday morning cartoon villains, where say someone who has a really spectacular aptitude for climbing (+30 nearly always) goes to try and save a damsel tied to the edge of a cliff when a really short dastardly villain with a z-styled mustache steps out and says "myaaa, think you can just climb up and save her ey?" and then shoots a flaming arrow at the wall and sets the entire thing ablaze. </p>
<p>He probably comes with a dog that laughs afterwards.</p>
<p>I don't see why there's so much ... evil stored in the world. For those of you who are in the music world, at least from my experience it's not cut-throat when you're treating things as an enjoyable past time.</blockquote><p>well, because it <i>is</i> a cut-throat world—not everyone's all CG-LG. people will try to ruin each other over less, in fact. people get jealous of talent (or feel that they <i>have</i> talent, but aren't receiving the recognition they so •rightly• deserve, because you're stealing it all), it's just a thing that happens. a person may feel cheated because a significant other is apparently caring more about some hotshot musical star then they are about <i>them</i>.
<p>take a look at, say, justin beiber (elvis, MJ, the beatles, mozart, anyone would do fine). his fanbase is absolutely <i>rabid</i>—they will throw their money away, ruin their lives, physically harm others for merely the thought of someone insulting their favorite star. that says nothing about the personality of said star—its just the people who are drawn to them from their skills/looks/whathaveyou.</p>
<p>crazy stalkers, critics who want to garner attention by tearing down so big a character, outraged families over a member's excess (fanatics), it goes on. people are terrible, yo.</p>
<p>now, im not saying the guy is gonna be walking down the street and tripping over people who hate him—quite the opposite in fact, those people are in the great minority. most people are just normal people who live normal lives, and while they enjoy the show, they're not gonna go smash some dude for not liking it (usually anyway).</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">KHShadowrunner wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Here's what I see:</p>
<p>He's not demanding money, but takes it when offered </blockquote><p>my earlier note on jealous people.
<p>normal person: "oh look at him he's so humble. what a great guy."
<br />
small minority: "i bust my back every day trying to make that much, and he doesn't even <i>care</i>."
<br />
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>He's not trying to bolster fame via requesting taverns recognize talent </blockquote><p>and yet he (the bard) continues to draw crowds for his great performances. simply being exemplary can increase your fame without you trying.
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>He's in it for the fact that he's got an investment in a talent and wants to roll it.</blockquote><p>which is a great outlook on it, actually. taking it too seriously is how you give youself an annuerism or find yourself doing cocaine out of a hooker's bellybutton. other people on the other hand take their talents very seriously, and/or think he's being wasteful of his talent.
<p>normal person: "wow this guy's really good. he should be playing for the world, not some seedy bar."
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small minority: "i had a good gig going in this town, and this kid's come and ruined it! he took all my crowds, and everyone who's left wants me to play for free now. must be nice being good enough to live on <i>charity</i>."</p>this is mostly me just being horribly contrary, don't take it too seriously.
KHShadowrunner wrote:As a bard, this thread gives me the shivers and almost makes me want to skip the taverns in the evenings.
Why are there so many suggestions that have negative consequence? Some of these suggestions remind me of some Sunday morning cartoon villains, where say someone who has a really spectacular aptitude for climbing (+30 nearly always) goes to try and save a damsel tied to the edge of a cliff...AndIMustMask2012-11-14T14:20:24ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingKHShadowrunnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#202013-10-11T05:15:03Z2012-11-14T13:32:55Z<p>As a bard, this thread gives me the shivers and almost makes me want to skip the taverns in the evenings.</p>
<p>Why are there so many suggestions that have negative consequence? Some of these suggestions remind me of some Sunday morning cartoon villains, where say someone who has a really spectacular aptitude for climbing (+30 nearly always) goes to try and save a damsel tied to the edge of a cliff when a really short dastardly villain with a z-styled mustache steps out and says "myaaa, think you can just climb up and save her ey?" and then shoots a flaming arrow at the wall and sets the entire thing ablaze. </p>
<p>He probably comes with a dog that laughs afterwards.</p>
<p>I don't see why there's so much ... evil stored in the world. For those of you who are in the music world, at least from my experience it's not cut-throat when you're treating things as an enjoyable past time.</p>
<p>Here's what I see:</p>
<p>He's not demanding money, but takes it when offered
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He's not trying to bolster fame via requesting taverns recognize talent
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He's in it for the fact that he's got an investment in a talent and wants to roll it.</p>
<p>So as a DM, what are YOU trying to do with it?</p>
<p>Do you want to challenge him?</p>
<p>Then make it something of a story, The city can be inspired by both his generosity and skill that it builds an amphitheater of some sort and invites the bard, as an honored guest, to perform in a competition among some more recognized names. This gives you the opportunity to introduce legends (!) of lore, as well as invite nobility to properly see and contribute to the story and his fame. Add a prize, a worthy prize of a bard, to entice and reward good work. Add a villain if you like, but make this something that the rest of the party can see as bodyguards to help defend their team mate. That should show your team that they're willing to support your bard, and your bard see value in the team which I'm sure is there but recognizes that they support him for what he does, and who he is. This challenges his high score, but doesn't penalize him (he might lose the reward, but i'm sure you could twist it so that the reward is something off the high-end of the chart and if he loses (or someone steals the prize) the nobles and legends recognize him for all that he has done and give him (and the party) something for his and their talents.</p>
<p>Or he could turn it down. Who knows.</p>
<p>Do you want to reward him for using a skill he is proficient in?</p>
<p>I like the idea of an underling interested in becoming a student. This is just a treasure trove of story. The character already isn't asking for money, so he's not in it for wealth. Not to mention, you don't want people going over their global wealth or whatever it is. But a student, an underling, gives you potential to make his wealth of lore rather than of gold. This student, NOT interfering with his actual time and skills, could learn under him and bring a personal bond to a person and the place he is residing. Which opens up a whole realm of possibilities. Though to be honest now that I give it a good thought, I'm not sure how without causing mischief. </p>
<p>I also like the idea that other bards would speak of his name and his tales and his travels around other cities. Where they travel, at the very least he should be known.</p>
<p>What does he want?</p>
<p>Perhaps as a DM you ask him OOC if he wants something to be of his skill. If he literally tells you he's just rolling to roll, reward him by:</p>
<p>doing nothing.</p>
<p>I'd rather get nothing than be penalized for using a skill.</p>As a bard, this thread gives me the shivers and almost makes me want to skip the taverns in the evenings.
Why are there so many suggestions that have negative consequence? Some of these suggestions remind me of some Sunday morning cartoon villains, where say someone who has a really spectacular aptitude for climbing (+30 nearly always) goes to try and save a damsel tied to the edge of a cliff when a really short dastardly villain with a z-styled mustache steps out and says "myaaa, think you...KHShadowrunner2012-11-14T13:32:55ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingNearynhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#192012-11-14T10:48:48Z2012-11-14T10:48:48Z<p>Thank you all for the wonderful suggestions. I have been inspired.</p>
<p>Your time and creativity are very much appreciated :)</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>-Nearyn</p>Thank you all for the wonderful suggestions. I have been inspired.
Your time and creativity are very much appreciated :)
Cheers
-NearynNearyn2012-11-14T10:48:48ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingLuna_Silvertearhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#182012-11-13T05:09:11Z2012-11-13T05:09:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">blackbloodtroll wrote:</div><blockquote> Asmodeus challenges him to a duel of the Fiddle variety. </blockquote><p>Golden Fiddle: 1/day you may play the Golden Fiddle to summon Chuck Norris for 1 round to Roundhouse kick every enemy to the face with his <i>+5 holy, unholy, lawful, chaotic, flaming, frost, distance, returning, brilliant, vorpal, shocking, bane (everything except and including Chuck Norris) Foot of Awesome Awesomeness</i>. If stuck by kick (Chuck get +100 to attack roll and ALWAYS rolls a natural 20) the enemy must Fort save (with a -1000000 modifier) to save v Death. They cannot be resurrected in any way, shape, or form period. Their essence is utterly destroyed and even their memory is wiped from the mind of everyone and everything everywhere forever. The only person who will remember them is Chuck Norris, who will probably forget them anyway.blackbloodtroll wrote:Asmodeus challenges him to a duel of the Fiddle variety.
Golden Fiddle: 1/day you may play the Golden Fiddle to summon Chuck Norris for 1 round to Roundhouse kick every enemy to the face with his +5 holy, unholy, lawful, chaotic, flaming, frost, distance, returning, brilliant, vorpal, shocking, bane (everything except and including Chuck Norris) Foot of Awesome Awesomeness. If stuck by kick (Chuck get +100 to attack roll and ALWAYS rolls a natural 20) the enemy must...Luna_Silvertear2012-11-13T05:09:11ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingchaoseffecthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#172012-11-13T05:05:15Z2012-11-13T05:05:15Z<p>Devastating musical duels with mighty (and EVIIIIILLLLLLL) musicians is the only real answer here.</p>Devastating musical duels with mighty (and EVIIIIILLLLLLL) musicians is the only real answer here.chaoseffect2012-11-13T05:05:15ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingDM Carpe (alias of Byden)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#162012-11-12T23:13:09Z2012-11-12T23:13:09Z<p>I'd say that The Name of the Wind and it's sequel The Wiseman's Fear would provide brilliant ideas for dealing with this. Kvothe is an incredible litigation but cannot find a patron because of his enmity with a powerful noble. Creating a musical competition adventure would be great, where the other players need to prevent sabotage, etc.</p>I'd say that The Name of the Wind and it's sequel The Wiseman's Fear would provide brilliant ideas for dealing with this. Kvothe is an incredible litigation but cannot find a patron because of his enmity with a powerful noble. Creating a musical competition adventure would be great, where the other players need to prevent sabotage, etc.DM Carpe (alias of Byden)2012-11-12T23:13:09ZRe: Forums: Advice: Consistently rolling 40 perform. Need advice on the world reactingPharmaladehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p5bs?Consistently-rolling-40-perform-Need-advice#152012-11-12T23:03:39Z2012-11-12T23:03:39Z<p>Have you ever read "Soul Music" by Terry Pratchett? It covers the introduction of rock music to a magical world. </p>
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<p>At any rate, he should encounter an agent at the very least. A slimy agent to attempt to corrupt him. Could even be a devil in disguise. Convince him he's not getting his money's worth for his singing.</p>Have you ever read "Soul Music" by Terry Pratchett? It covers the introduction of rock music to a magical world.
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At any rate, he should encounter an agent at the very least. A slimy agent to attempt to corrupt him. Could even be a devil in disguise. Convince him he's not getting his money's worth for his singing.Pharmalade2012-11-12T23:03:39Z