paizo.com Recent Posts in What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?paizo.com Recent Posts in What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?2012-11-11T05:29:47Z2012-11-11T05:29:47ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Nihimonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#442012-11-19T16:51:46Z2012-11-19T16:51:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">pming wrote:</div><blockquote>... I would LOVE to see... the option for me to "buy" a new character of up to my highest level character in game...</blockquote><p>I totally understand this desire. However, I think that the nature of PFO will make it unnecessary. For me, I always started feeling this way in games like WoW, where you have to grind through a bunch of levels. In PFO, you shouldn't really have that situation where you need to just grind away to level up your character.
<p>Granted, you won't be as skilled as you want to be right off the bat, but I think there would be something terribly unbalancing if everyone could easily buy alts that would have just as many skill training points as their highest main. Imagine the situation when you have the first Capstone characters, and then suddenly - <i><b>poof!</b></i> - they <i>all</i> have <i>every</i> Role with a Capstone.</p>pming wrote:... I would LOVE to see... the option for me to "buy" a new character of up to my highest level character in game...
I totally understand this desire. However, I think that the nature of PFO will make it unnecessary. For me, I always started feeling this way in games like WoW, where you have to grind through a bunch of levels. In PFO, you shouldn't really have that situation where you need to just grind away to level up your character. Granted, you won't be as skilled as you want...Nihimon2012-11-19T16:51:46ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Maccabeehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#432012-11-19T16:28:13Z2012-11-19T16:28:13Z<p>Cosmetic stuff only, for me. Cloaks (with friggin hoods), badges, clothes, boots, designable tabards, backpacks, cosmetic armor kits etc. Cosmetic options like that will definitely go along way towards keeping many of us from feeling like we're a mass gaggle of steroid freak babies whose only uniquely identifiable feature is what color NFL shoulderpads we wear (thanks Blizz). LOTRO did this quite well so its nothing that should make the art/design teams head explode.</p>Cosmetic stuff only, for me. Cloaks (with friggin hoods), badges, clothes, boots, designable tabards, backpacks, cosmetic armor kits etc. Cosmetic options like that will definitely go along way towards keeping many of us from feeling like we're a mass gaggle of steroid freak babies whose only uniquely identifiable feature is what color NFL shoulderpads we wear (thanks Blizz). LOTRO did this quite well so its nothing that should make the art/design teams head explode.Maccabee2012-11-19T16:28:13ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?BraxtheSagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#422012-11-19T16:14:04Z2012-11-19T16:14:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Andius wrote:</div><blockquote> I agree. No paying for characters with skills. If you want an alt, you should have to start from the beginning. Some character trading will happen anyway, but I hope that they are trying to catch and ban those accounts, not offering new ones for 20$ or even 200$ a pop. </blockquote><p>I agree 100% with this post. Please dont allow people to buy new 'high' skill characters.Andius wrote:I agree. No paying for characters with skills. If you want an alt, you should have to start from the beginning. Some character trading will happen anyway, but I hope that they are trying to catch and ban those accounts, not offering new ones for 20$ or even 200$ a pop.
I agree 100% with this post. Please dont allow people to buy new 'high' skill characters.BraxtheSage2012-11-19T16:14:04ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Andiushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#412012-11-18T08:02:34Z2012-11-18T08:02:34Z<p>I agree. No paying for characters with skills. If you want an alt, you should have to start from the beginning. Some character trading will happen anyway, but I hope that they are trying to catch and ban those accounts, not offering new ones for 20$ or even 200$ a pop.</p>I agree. No paying for characters with skills. If you want an alt, you should have to start from the beginning. Some character trading will happen anyway, but I hope that they are trying to catch and ban those accounts, not offering new ones for 20$ or even 200$ a pop.Andius2012-11-18T08:02:34ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Alexander_Damocleshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#402012-11-18T07:55:40Z2012-11-18T07:55:40Z<p>Play one character to 20? That is 2.5 years, or 30 months of effort. Lets call it 5 dollars a month of skill training time. That is 150 they'll want out of you for that. Since you are purchasing something, they would want to raise the price a good bit, so call it $200 dollars minimum.</p>
<p>Pay to Win is •not• the game I'm looking for.</p>Play one character to 20? That is 2.5 years, or 30 months of effort. Lets call it 5 dollars a month of skill training time. That is 150 they'll want out of you for that. Since you are purchasing something, they would want to raise the price a good bit, so call it $200 dollars minimum.
Pay to Win is *not* the game I'm looking for.Alexander_Damocles2012-11-18T07:55:40ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Harrisonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#392012-11-18T07:27:38Z2012-11-18T07:27:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">pming wrote:</div><blockquote>The ONLY exception I would LOVE to see, is the option for me to "buy" a new character of up to my highest level character in game (say, $1 / level). So if I had played a character up to level 14, I could roll up a new character as a level 2 - 14 character for $2 - $14.</blockquote><p>I would not like this at all. That looks way too dangerously close to a "pay to win" kind of transaction and at the same time, it's kind of impossible, given how archetypes are structured.
<p>You don't pick a class and gain levels in it. You pick a skill you wanna work on, and then work on it until you qualify for a level in a class. Plus, it's supposed to take a long time to get a character up to level 20; two and a half years is the projected time frame. There's no more challenge to the game if you could just get one character to level 20, and then pay to have every other character you make up to that level.</p>pming wrote:The ONLY exception I would LOVE to see, is the option for me to "buy" a new character of up to my highest level character in game (say, $1 / level). So if I had played a character up to level 14, I could roll up a new character as a level 2 - 14 character for $2 - $14.
I would not like this at all. That looks way too dangerously close to a "pay to win" kind of transaction and at the same time, it's kind of impossible, given how archetypes are structured. You don't pick a class...Harrison2012-11-18T07:27:38ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?JakBlitzhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#382012-11-18T04:49:51Z2012-11-18T04:49:51Z<p>Celestial Boar Mount.......</p>
<p>Wyvern/Griffon Mount....</p>
<p>Cosmetic Character Enhancements....</p>
<p>Special Animal Companions/Familiars....</p>Celestial Boar Mount.......
Wyvern/Griffon Mount....
Cosmetic Character Enhancements....
Special Animal Companions/Familiars....JakBlitz2012-11-18T04:49:51ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?pminghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#372012-11-18T04:13:36Z2012-11-18T04:13:36Z<p>Hiya.</p>
<p>Real simple for me: anything as long as there is no mechanical benefit.</p>
<p>Example of Good: </p>
<p>— Pay to buy a "5-pack Grey Dye Kit" = I can 'dye' 5 items grey.</p>
<p>Example of Bad:</p>
<p>— Pay to by a "+1 Damage Bonus" = I add to 1 weapon to get +1 damage.</p>
<p>That's basically it. The ONLY exception I would LOVE to see, is the option for me to "buy" a new character of up to my highest level character in game (say, $1 / level). So if I had played a character up to level 14, I could roll up a new character as a level 2 - 14 character for $2 - $14.</p>
<p>^_^</p>
<p>Paul L. Ming</p>Hiya.
Real simple for me: anything as long as there is no mechanical benefit.
Example of Good:
-- Pay to buy a "5-pack Grey Dye Kit" = I can 'dye' 5 items grey.
Example of Bad:
-- Pay to by a "+1 Damage Bonus" = I add to 1 weapon to get +1 damage.
That's basically it. The ONLY exception I would LOVE to see, is the option for me to "buy" a new character of up to my highest level character in game (say, $1 / level). So if I had played a character up to level 14, I could roll up a new...pming2012-11-18T04:13:36ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Andiushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#362012-11-14T19:51:19Z2012-11-14T19:51:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Southraven wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Can I just say, that while all the answers are reasonable enough, just how odd is this question?</p>
<p>"What ways can you think of where the game-makers can make you pay more?"</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Knowing that they are going to do it with or without that question being answered I think it's a pretty important one to ask.Southraven wrote:Can I just say, that while all the answers are reasonable enough, just how odd is this question?
"What ways can you think of where the game-makers can make you pay more?"
Knowing that they are going to do it with or without that question being answered I think it's a pretty important one to ask.Andius2012-11-14T19:51:19ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Southravenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#352012-11-14T13:01:43Z2012-11-14T13:01:43Z<p>Can I just say, that while all the answers are reasonable enough, just how odd is this question?</p>
<p>"What ways can you think of where the game-makers can make you pay more?"</p>Can I just say, that while all the answers are reasonable enough, just how odd is this question?
"What ways can you think of where the game-makers can make you pay more?"Southraven2012-11-14T13:01:43ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Marthianhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#342012-11-14T00:43:30Z2012-11-14T00:43:30Z<p>convenience and fashion items... Actually, convenience items probably not, some just become too good.</p>convenience and fashion items... Actually, convenience items probably not, some just become too good.Marthian2012-11-14T00:43:30ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Alexander_Damocleshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#332012-11-13T17:33:12Z2012-11-13T07:32:54Z<p>Actually, stuff like lore documents would be all sorts of cool. An item that is readable in game that tells a good story about the past, etc. Not a novel, but short stories would be great. Purchased with skymetal (or gold), heck, make them lootable. I would •love• to see actual value for in-game lore items.</p>Actually, stuff like lore documents would be all sorts of cool. An item that is readable in game that tells a good story about the past, etc. Not a novel, but short stories would be great. Purchased with skymetal (or gold), heck, make them lootable. I would *love* to see actual value for in-game lore items.Alexander_Damocles2012-11-13T07:32:54ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Sampinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#322012-11-12T20:05:15Z2012-11-12T20:05:15Z<p>Everything discussed in the blogs seems fine to me. Selling real life stuff would be good also (aka merchandise).</p>Everything discussed in the blogs seems fine to me. Selling real life stuff would be good also (aka merchandise).Samping2012-11-12T20:05:15ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Izzlynhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#312012-11-12T20:01:41Z2012-11-12T20:01:41Z<p>Sure, I agree with that 100%. I want game developers to be profitable. Tho I have my own ideas on how to make that possible.</p>
<p>Offer products and merchandise in the cash shop, even e-lore books would sell well I think. 5-10 dollar customer service fee (this is a big overhead cost of mmo's and I am willing to pay for the service). It would also hopefully limit bogus claims and help keep the overhead to a minimum as well as fund itself. As before, character services, even character appearance changes can have a nominal fee. Raise sub to cover rising costs, 20-25 dollars a month is still nothing in the entertainment industry. Additional server fees if not included in subscription cost. And, lastly, and most importantly, make games worth buying and playing.</p>
<p>The idea behind ftp was originally to get people to try your game, and if willing, and if they felt the game was worth it, commit to the sub fee, or buy features and content they wanted as piece meal. Nothing wrong with that. Limit their access, offer piece meal content. Make it so the most rewarding features come from long term commitment and actually playing the game.</p>
<p>But I firmly believe everything should be straight forward cost wise.
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Box fee should pay for the entire game, content, features, items etc.
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Sub fee should pay for future game development and server maintenance.
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CS fee, character services, etc should cover those costs.
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Cash shops should generate extra revenue from those unwilling to commit to sub fee, or merchandise sales.
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Charge for forums and out of game features such character bio sheets, blog/story hosting, or the integration page Ryan spoke of.</p>
<p>There is no need to depend solely on cash shop item sales and cash shop development to fund all of these expenses. Let us pay for the services we desire to use, and keep in game rewards for cash to a minimum. And, above all should be the game play experience being the most important and rewarding aspect, not some bonus item in a marketplace. </p>
<p>If developers went back to that, then the money would flow once again. I personally spent $400 bucks on the last single player game I bought and got every penny worth in gameplay or real world merchandise. The last mmo I payed $60 for was rubbish and have not spent a dime in the shop even tho they have gone to great lengths to make it more rewarding to spend extra for "fluff" or "convenience" items than actually making a game that I want to play more.</p>Sure, I agree with that 100%. I want game developers to be profitable. Tho I have my own ideas on how to make that possible.
Offer products and merchandise in the cash shop, even e-lore books would sell well I think. 5-10 dollar customer service fee (this is a big overhead cost of mmo's and I am willing to pay for the service). It would also hopefully limit bogus claims and help keep the overhead to a minimum as well as fund itself. As before, character services, even character appearance...Izzlyn2012-11-12T20:01:41ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?BraxtheSagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#302012-11-12T19:16:19Z2012-11-12T19:16:19Z<p>I dont have a problem with paying a monthly subscription (as long as its resonable), along with some fluff or very-minimal beneficial items/ usable items/cosmetics.</p>
<p>Cosmetic upgrades to animal companions/mounts would be interesting. Im not suggessting really weird mounts, but more detailed mounts, different colours, longer manes. It could even be kool if the mounts had additional sound effects - like whinnying, snorts and whatnot.</p>
<p>Guild heraldry is an absolute must, tabards, banners, shield markings, flags, etc.</p>
<p>I also would pay small amounts for access to small 'instanced' quests or 'quest-line dungeons'</p>I dont have a problem with paying a monthly subscription (as long as its resonable), along with some fluff or very-minimal beneficial items/ usable items/cosmetics.
Cosmetic upgrades to animal companions/mounts would be interesting. Im not suggessting really weird mounts, but more detailed mounts, different colours, longer manes. It could even be kool if the mounts had additional sound effects - like whinnying, snorts and whatnot.
Guild heraldry is an absolute must, tabards, banners, shield...BraxtheSage2012-11-12T19:16:19ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Nihimonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#292012-11-12T18:08:13Z2012-11-12T18:08:13Z<p>@Izzlyn, Goblinworks needs to be able to make money somehow to keep improving the game. Ryan can go on at length about the failure of the subscription model to properly fund these kinds of enterprises.</p>@Izzlyn, Goblinworks needs to be able to make money somehow to keep improving the game. Ryan can go on at length about the failure of the subscription model to properly fund these kinds of enterprises.Nihimon2012-11-12T18:08:13ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Rafkinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#282012-11-12T18:06:04Z2012-11-12T18:06:04Z<p>Well...I've spent a lot of money on appearance gear and the EQ2 digital card game. Mounts too.</p>Well...I've spent a lot of money on appearance gear and the EQ2 digital card game. Mounts too.Rafkin2012-11-12T18:06:04ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Izzlynhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#272012-11-12T17:45:11Z2012-11-12T17:45:11Z<p>Cosmetic or not they still tend to influence design (not saying they will in PFO). If all items are plain and unattractive leading most to spend extra cash on them, that is wrong in my book. If I pay a sub I expect to have access to everything the game has to offer. That includes best looking items, bank slots, mounts, etc. And, selling mounts with run speed is a form of selling advantage to those that can afford it. Why invest time in game for a inferior item when you can buy run speed in the shop? And, why does it sound like a good idea to reward those people over those that invest the time in game with a "better looking" mount? </p>
<p>Or to put it another way, why would anyone invest so much time and gold or whatever into a mount when for some rl cash you can have one on day one, being that much ahead of others in character development, freeing up game currency and time for other things, with a better appearance then doing it the normal way allows you to achieve. There is no incentive to playing, just click, pay, win.</p>
<p>It sends the wrong message to gamers. Call me crazy and old fashioned, but I prefer games to reward me for PLAYING them, not PAYING them.</p>Cosmetic or not they still tend to influence design (not saying they will in PFO). If all items are plain and unattractive leading most to spend extra cash on them, that is wrong in my book. If I pay a sub I expect to have access to everything the game has to offer. That includes best looking items, bank slots, mounts, etc. And, selling mounts with run speed is a form of selling advantage to those that can afford it. Why invest time in game for a inferior item when you can buy run speed in...Izzlyn2012-11-12T17:45:11ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Nihimonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#262012-11-12T17:31:54Z2012-11-12T17:31:54Z<p>I expect they'll offer a variety of mounts with unique appearances but no significant advantage over "normal" mounts. I think that - and other offerings like that - is just fine. It gives people an opportunity to spend a lot of money without gaining mechanical advantages.</p>I expect they'll offer a variety of mounts with unique appearances but no significant advantage over "normal" mounts. I think that - and other offerings like that - is just fine. It gives people an opportunity to spend a lot of money without gaining mechanical advantages.Nihimon2012-11-12T17:31:54ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Izzlynhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#252012-11-12T17:27:39Z2012-11-12T17:27:39Z<p>Character services such as race/gender changes, server moves (not applicable), and so forth.</p>
<p>That is it for a subscription model. Everything else is either power items cloaked as "convenience" or affects design in ways that always leave me bitter and jaded.</p>Character services such as race/gender changes, server moves (not applicable), and so forth.
That is it for a subscription model. Everything else is either power items cloaked as "convenience" or affects design in ways that always leave me bitter and jaded.Izzlyn2012-11-12T17:27:39ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Andiushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#242012-11-12T15:52:31Z2012-11-12T15:52:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mbando wrote:</div><blockquote>If heraldry is a mechanic in the game, it can't be a meta-mechanic. Imposters, ex-members, etc. should be an issue, not just a magic-from-the-sky marker for friends. </blockquote><p>I agree. They should be just as much of an issue as they are in real life. Which is to say if a company is going to pay to switch it's uniforms to it's enemies colors for every battle. Let them.
<p>I think as a whole, that people will most commonly use their own uniforms, and that people that use their enemies:</p>
<p>1. Will have just as hard of a time telling each other apart from the enemy as the enemy.</p>
<p>2. Will spend a lot of money (hopefully in-game money) on uniform changes.</p>
<p>3. Will be seen as dishonorable by the PFO community. </p>
<p>Could be wrong but I think it will pan out ok.</p>Mbando wrote:If heraldry is a mechanic in the game, it can't be a meta-mechanic. Imposters, ex-members, etc. should be an issue, not just a magic-from-the-sky marker for friends.
I agree. They should be just as much of an issue as they are in real life. Which is to say if a company is going to pay to switch it's uniforms to it's enemies colors for every battle. Let them. I think as a whole, that people will most commonly use their own uniforms, and that people that use their enemies:
1....Andius2012-11-12T15:52:31ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Mbandohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#232012-11-12T15:46:27Z2012-11-12T15:46:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Andius wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Two things.</p>
<p>1. I really hope company heraldry is not done through microtransactions. Heraldry isn't just fluff in a sandbox where the factions go deeper than Alliance vs. Horde. They give an actual benefit in that they allow you to easily distinguish friends from foes. I would like to see people actually use their heraldry, and I even intend to make it mandatory for people taking part in Great Legionnaire's military actions. But I'm not going to make it mandatory if that requires people to spend a bunch of money on it.
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</blockquote><p>If heraldry is a mechanic in the game, it can't be a meta-mechanic. Imposters, ex-members, etc. should be an issue, not just a magic-from-the-sky marker for friends.Andius wrote:Two things.
1. I really hope company heraldry is not done through microtransactions. Heraldry isn't just fluff in a sandbox where the factions go deeper than Alliance vs. Horde. They give an actual benefit in that they allow you to easily distinguish friends from foes. I would like to see people actually use their heraldry, and I even intend to make it mandatory for people taking part in Great Legionnaire's military actions. But I'm not going to make it mandatory if that...Mbando2012-11-12T15:46:27ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Andiushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#222012-11-12T15:25:29Z2012-11-12T15:25:29Z<p>Two things.</p>
<p>1. I really hope company heraldry is not done through microtransactions. Heraldry isn't just fluff in a sandbox where the factions go deeper than Alliance vs. Horde. They give an actual benefit in that they allow you to easily distinguish friends from foes. I would like to see people actually use their heraldry, and I even intend to make it mandatory for people taking part in Great Legionnaire's military actions. But I'm not going to make it mandatory if that requires people to spend a bunch of money on it. So if any investment is required it needs to be at the company/settlement/kingdom level. Not the players.</p>
<p>2. I hope we aren't limited to tabards or capes. I hope we see tabards, capes, cloaks, <a href="http://help.xs-software.com/helpimagesnew/kw/Samurai.png" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">banners</a>, paint jobs for sheilds etc. Give people options on how to display their colors, or let them use multiple options to make themselves more easily visible. Not only will this give us more creative control, but if Great Legionnaires is fighting Knights of Darkness, and both of our company's use gold and green as our main colors... we could still be distinguishable. If GL uses capes/cloaks and shield paint to distinguish ourselves, and they use tabards and banners, we might still be able to tell each other apart.</p>Two things.
1. I really hope company heraldry is not done through microtransactions. Heraldry isn't just fluff in a sandbox where the factions go deeper than Alliance vs. Horde. They give an actual benefit in that they allow you to easily distinguish friends from foes. I would like to see people actually use their heraldry, and I even intend to make it mandatory for people taking part in Great Legionnaire's military actions. But I'm not going to make it mandatory if that requires people to...Andius2012-11-12T15:25:29ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?Harrisonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#212012-11-12T10:47:13Z2012-11-12T10:47:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">MicMan wrote:</div><blockquote>the guild tabard in WoW is a laugh as it is almost invisible.</blockquote><p>I think the issue with Guild Tabards in WoW is 2-fold.
<p>1) Tabards in WoW actually gave a mechanical benefit. You gained fame with whatever faction they displayed the emblem for, and whenever you were at max Fame, you switched it out for another one (and when all your fame was maxed out from tabards, you probably walked around with some random trophy tabard that a bazillion other people also had because they were doing the same damned thing).</p>
<p>2) The armor in WoW was horrendously gaudy, so you ended up having most of your attention dragged away from whatever Tabard you wore towards your ever-increasingly bigger shoulder pads and belts (the excuse being that the bigger they were, the better it was for the art team), not helped AT ALL by one or two cases of the chest of a particular race's wire frame being poorly done (like the male Worgen) or perfectly molded to the shape of ANY female's boobs, which just further made the tabard designs hard to see.</p>
<p>Any Tabards they make in PFO hopefully will not fall into the same issues as the ones from WoW; have them be, pretty much, the ONLY tabards you can wear, aside from maybe ones that have the emblem for a particular deity (I dunno if a tabard can count mechanically as a holy symbol, but whatever).</p>MicMan wrote:the guild tabard in WoW is a laugh as it is almost invisible.
I think the issue with Guild Tabards in WoW is 2-fold. 1) Tabards in WoW actually gave a mechanical benefit. You gained fame with whatever faction they displayed the emblem for, and whenever you were at max Fame, you switched it out for another one (and when all your fame was maxed out from tabards, you probably walked around with some random trophy tabard that a bazillion other people also had because they were doing...Harrison2012-11-12T10:47:13ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: What Microtransactions Do You Want To See?MicManhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p580?What-Microtransactions-Do-You-Want-To-See#202012-11-12T08:16:07Z2012-11-12T08:16:07Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Capstones taking all over again?</span></p>
<p>Anyways:
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I hope there will be a monthly fee to cover everything that is mechanically benefical (such as skill training).</p>
<p>My most important feature for fluff microtransactions would be <b>guild heraldry</b>.</p>
<p>But please make this fairly visible on yourcharacter. In DAoC the entire cloak was covered with your guild heraldry, the guild tabard in WoW is a laugh as it is almost invisible.</p>Capstones taking all over again?
Anyways:
I hope there will be a monthly fee to cover everything that is mechanically benefical (such as skill training).
My most important feature for fluff microtransactions would be guild heraldry.
But please make this fairly visible on yourcharacter. In DAoC the entire cloak was covered with your guild heraldry, the guild tabard in WoW is a laugh as it is almost invisible.MicMan2012-11-12T08:16:07Z