Understanding Multiple Attacks


Rules Questions

Shadow Lodge

The subject of the thread says it all, how exactly do multiple attacks work, negative-wise, especially when interlaced with a natural attack? I've been trying to piece it together from other posts, but even those posts have some variance.

Let me break down my specific question - I play a 3rd level Kitsune Ninja. I have a natural bite attack, wield two wakizashis with the two weapon fighting feat, and can spend 1 ki point for an additional attack.

Best case scenario, I'm flanking an enemy and I perform a full attack. Assuming an attack bonus of 0 and ignoring my +2 for flanking, do I get a natural attack at -5, 1 wakizashi attack at -2, another wakizashi attack at -2, and then a wakizashi attack at -0 (the additional attack granted by the spent ki point "By spending 1 point from her ki pool, a ninja can make one additional attack at her highest attack bonus")?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Liberty's Edge

You will make three wakizashi attacks at your full BAB -2, and a bite attack at your full BAB -5, if I'm thinking correctly...

So, if your BAB is 0, you will attack at -2/-2/-2/-5 (W/W/W/B).

TWF with a light weapon in your off-hand applies a -2 penalty to ALL WEAPON ATTACKS on your turn, the Ki point gives you +1 attack at your highest BAB (0, apparently), but you still have to take the -2 penalty for TWF. The bite is counted as a secondary attack and is therefore made at your full attack bonus -5.

EDIT: More importantly (to me, anyway) why is your attack bonus at 3rd level only +0?

Silver Crusade

Darth Gator is correct, your penalties are -2/-2/-2/-5


How d_g/Elamdri laid it out seems fine per RAW...
Sean K Reynolds (paizo rules developer) has made some comments about some limitation to the total number of attacks (albeit i'm not sure of the exact parameters, to what/whom it applies, etc), but he pretty much acknowledged the RAW is as the people above stated. we'll see if they change it in the future.

Shadow Lodge

Thanks for clearing that up! I know there was some confusion, as some people were stating that the bite would be at -7, however its a natural attack, so it made sense it would be different.

My BAB is not 0, I just wanted to use 0 to make it easier to explain ~

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