Elamdri
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The text of divine bond explicitly says that it cannot bypass the +5 enhancement bonus cap of a weapon. However, the rules also say that a non-epic weapon can only have a total effective enhancement bonus of +10, but this is not mentioned in the divine bond text.
My question is does the divine bond ability allow the paladin to exceed this cap, or is any enhancement above and beyond the +10 cap effectively wasted?
| DeusTerran |
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Divine bond works just like enchanting a weapon, so it maxes out at +10, but 5 of that is used for stuff like flaming and speed.
It's all right there on the SRD >.>
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Elamdri
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Well, my point was that divine bond explicitly says it cannot exceed the +5 Cap but makes no mention of the +10 cap. I'm just curious because if a Paladin's weapon can't be enhanced beyond +10, I'm not sure it's really worth it for a Paladin to have more than +4 bonus to their weapon without Divine Bond.
| DeusTerran |
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the +5 cap is for normal non magical effect enhancement. So that way you don't end up with a paladin getting a +5 weapon and then dumping his divine bond into more enhancement to get a +11 weapon.
I thought it was pretty clear so yeah no real point on getting a weapon beyond +4 via money unless you want those bonuses 24/7
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Elamdri
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Ok, let me put it this way:
A weapon has two limits:
the enhancement bonus cannot exceed +5.
The total effective enhancement bonus cannot exceed +10.
Therefore, a weapon could be +5 Vorpal, but not +5 Vorpal, Speed because that would be an effective enhancement bonus of +13.
A paladin can give a weapon at max level a +6 effective enhancement bonus through flat enhancement bonuses and effective abilities.
Now, the rule explicitly states that a paladin's enhancement may not exceed the +5 cap.
Therefore, a paladin cannot turn a +2 weapon into a +8 weapon. He can make something like a +5 Holy Keen, but not a +8
However, the divine bond rules are silent as to whether a paladin's power can exceed the +10 effective enhancement bonus cap.
For example: A paladin has a +5 Vorpal Sword. Can he then give it Brilliant Energy and Holy?
Common sense would suggest no, that's simply too powerful.
However, it bothers me that the divine bond rules explicitly invoke the +5 cap but not the +10 cap.
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"A single weapon cannot have a modified bonus (enhancement bonus plus special ability bonus equivalents, including those from character abilities and spells) higher than +10." (emphasis mine)
Sorry, you're out of luck.
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Elamdri
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I was never really hoping that it did exceed the cap, I was just looking for the rules text that said so, since the divine bond power didn't call it out.
thx for that though.