re: the Dragon Disciple/Crossblooded/Wildblooded thing,
I see absolutely no problem with Wildblooded/Linnorn qualifying for Dragon Disciple.
Wildblooded/Linnorn never removes your Sorceror Bloodline:Draconic...
If it did, you would have problems since that is the source of Class Skill, Bloodline Spells, etc.
A Wildblooded/Linnorn Sorceror should still count as having the Draconic BL for qualifying for DD because they DO still have it.
Wildblooded is essentially an archetype of the Bloodline, and so still counts as that same Bloodline,
just like a Scarred Rager still counts as a Barbarian even though some abilities have been altered.
If something requires the existence of specific (normal) Draconic BL abilities, that could exclude Linnorn, but that isn't the case here.
Note that taking Linnorn to qualify for Draconic Disciple does mean you miss out on several class features of DD:
the expansion of Draconic Claws to Bite and Elemental damage simply doesn't work since you don't have Draconic claws,
and using Claws from some other source doesn't count, only the Bloodline ones count.
But I don't see any reason you don't qualify to take the PrC if you can live with the downsides of no Draconic BL Claws.
re: Crossblooded Draconic/Something qualifying for Dragon Disciple, I agree you should qualify.
The question for me is how non-Draconic BL powers scale with effective Sorc level granted by DD,
whether DD should only scale Draconic BL (including Linnorn if Wildblooded) or ALL BL Powers,
as well as how to resolve new BL Powers gained thru Blood of Dragons, whether you can choose powers from either BL (and lower level powers that you didn't get yet) as per Crossblooded,
or whether DD is only meant to advance Draconic powers and thus you can only gain new Draconic powers from it.
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Mike has very generously made a ruling on a muddled issue for people wanting to play dragon disciple. He has made his ruling very clear, and as the Campaign Coordinator for pathfinder society (the rest of us are lowly table administrators) his rulings are official for Pathfinder Society.
If you disagree with Mike's ruling you should take it over to one of the many debate threads in the rules forum. You also do not need to follow Mike's ruling unless you are playing PFS games.
Instead of debating every ruling of Mike's, it's hard I know I've been guilty of it, we should let out cheers of jubilation that there is one less thing for table variation to feed on.
I agree that it's great he's giving a ruling on unclear rules issues for builds,
I DID actually ask a follow-up question about the Crossblooded/DD build which I flat-out AGREE with him on allowing,
but some of the actual interactions of that build seem vague/controversial...
(part of the issue there is that the DD PrC references 'your bloodline' in the singular, although Crossblooded has two sorceror bloodlines... the question is whether that should be read as applying to any/all bloodlines you have [both, or you must choose only one, although this choice isn't stated anywhere?], or just your [draconic] bloodline...)
re: Wildblooded/Linnorn, to me it is actually equivalent to Crossblooded, in that you still have the Draconic BL (the Archetype never takes it away and in fact explicitly references how you continue to use aspects of it like Class Skill, Spells, etc) AND an additional 'mutant Bloodline' (which replaces specific POWERS of the normal BL but not the entire normal BL itself). WB sorcerors select a normal bloodline just like any other sorceror, and use many many of the features of that bloodline, EXCEPT the powers explicitly replaced by the mutant bloodline. I just don't see any basis to say you don't still have the normal sorceror bloodline.
Is Mike saying to go against the RAW here? If WB sorcerors are having their normal BL totally removed, then what happens for Class Skill, BL Spells, Bloodline Powers not 'replaced' by the mutant bloodline?
This would entail a similar issue as Crossblooded does above, namely that if Blood of Dragons is ruled to ONLY grant/scale Draconic BL powers, then BoD would plausibly NOT grant/scale Linnorn mutant BL powers (but the Power that Linnorn replaces is lost and you can never get it) unless given a specific exception or clarification that the replacement of a BL power still counts as being of the base BL.
I would agree that Paizo issuing clarification of the actual rules via FAQ/Errata would be the preferred approach,
but these issues have long ago been raised on Rules Questions forums and no response from Paizo has been forthcoming.
That goes for what Mike DID already answer here, those could equally be passed off as 'that is Paizo's Rule Team's job to answer'.
