paizo.com Recent Posts in As a player, would this piss you off?paizo.com Recent Posts in As a player, would this piss you off?2012-11-10T16:31:20Z2012-11-10T16:31:20ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?cphttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1912012-11-11T17:15:12Z2012-11-11T17:15:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Starbuck_II wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Brain in a Jar wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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What if you got pushed of a cliff and died from fall damage?
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What if a Cavalier rode by and hit you with a Lance for that much?
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Or any number of spells, attacks, abilities, that could easily render someone with 100 HP dead.
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Can the PC do the exact same thing? Yes, they can use Power Word Kill. Keep in mind there is no NPC section and PC section for spells and such. If it's allowed by one it's allowed by all.
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</blockquote><p>DM metagamingly knows how much hps you have. He knows whether it will succeed or fail. Can PCs know the same? Unlikely.
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Plus, DMs determine whether you can buy high level scrolls.</p>
<p>You can't raise the dead from Death effects like Power Word kill, you need Resurrection. </blockquote><p>I play wizards. There isn't a single game I'm not aware of the 100 PWK.
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Its like grapples, opponents that ready, the need for high initiative just one of many things you should have a plan for.</p>
<p>Its one of the few things that favors "fighters" over wizards - that lends a small amount of balance - and I would be disappointed with a ref that DIDN'T use such tactics.</p>Starbuck_II wrote:Brain in a Jar wrote:
What if you got pushed of a cliff and died from fall damage?
Requires a successful bull rush against my CMD first. Quote:What if a Cavalier rode by and hit you with a Lance for that much?
AC/Crane wing/etc Quote:Or any number of spells, attacks, abilities, that could easily render someone with 100 HP dead.
Saves. Quote:Can the PC do the exact same thing? Yes, they can use Power Word Kill. Keep in mind there is no NPC section and PC section for...cp2012-11-11T17:15:12ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?AaronOfBarbariahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1902012-11-11T14:47:47Z2012-11-11T14:47:47Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ascalaphus wrote:</div><blockquote> I do think there's an inconsistency between saying "as a GM, I let the dice fall where they may", and using PW:K, which doesn't use dice. </blockquote><p>It does if the target has spell resistance.
<p>One could even say that many dice were involved by that point if the players have been rolling hit points.</p>
<p>There is also the possibility that the GM has determined a way to randomly roll spell assignments for his NPC spell casters.</p>
<p>Now that I got one bit of rules and a pair of silly statements out of the way, a little personal opinion:</p>
<p>The phrase "let the dice fall where they may," has always meant to be a evocation of the idea that - good result or bad - you are going to keep playing the game because doing so is fun, even when the dice come up against you.</p>Ascalaphus wrote:I do think there's an inconsistency between saying "as a GM, I let the dice fall where they may", and using PW:K, which doesn't use dice.
It does if the target has spell resistance. One could even say that many dice were involved by that point if the players have been rolling hit points.
There is also the possibility that the GM has determined a way to randomly roll spell assignments for his NPC spell casters.
Now that I got one bit of rules and a pair of silly statements...AaronOfBarbaria2012-11-11T14:47:47ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?wraithstrike (alias of concerro)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1892012-11-11T14:12:59Z2012-11-11T14:12:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kthulhu wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Ok, then how about using the phrase: "I don't put rubber bumpers on the games I run."</p>
<p>Like that any better? </blockquote><p>That sounds insulting, and nobody is trying to be insulting, at least I don't think so. People are just stating their preference for more lethal games at their table. Neither way is wrong. Now if the GM shifts from fudging for players to using more lethal methods without any warning, I would think that is a bad idea.Kthulhu wrote:Ok, then how about using the phrase: "I don't put rubber bumpers on the games I run."
Like that any better?
That sounds insulting, and nobody is trying to be insulting, at least I don't think so. People are just stating their preference for more lethal games at their table. Neither way is wrong. Now if the GM shifts from fudging for players to using more lethal methods without any warning, I would think that is a bad idea.wraithstrike (alias of concerro)2012-11-11T14:12:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?wraithstrike (alias of concerro)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1882012-11-11T14:10:48Z2012-11-11T14:10:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Aranna wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Ashiel wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I have a player who gets too attached to his PCs to the point of a seemingly unhealthy level. I told him a long time ago that if he wanted to play in my games he needed to learn to let go a bit. If you cannot stand the thought of your character getting killed doing incredibly dangerous things then you should probably leave that character for your novel, your personal imagination, or back on the farm.
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</blockquote>I try my best to get people <i>involved</i> with their characters so this sits poorly with me. I feel a player's pain when they lose a treasured character. Death <i>should</i> matter. It is the final tragic end of a player's story. I am not saying the GM should pull punches, but neither should he use excessive force. There is a balance that should be observed. I don't want players to get so callused over their character's mortality that the story of the game no longer matters. This may even be part of the reason my games struggle at high level when death becomes a temporary setback. </blockquote><p>"Excessive" is subjective though. That is why the players and GM's should have a mutual understanding of how lethal the game will be.Aranna wrote:Ashiel wrote:I have a player who gets too attached to his PCs to the point of a seemingly unhealthy level. I told him a long time ago that if he wanted to play in my games he needed to learn to let go a bit. If you cannot stand the thought of your character getting killed doing incredibly dangerous things then you should probably leave that character for your novel, your personal imagination, or back on the farm.
I try my best to get people involved with their characters so this...wraithstrike (alias of concerro)2012-11-11T14:10:48ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?Kthulhuhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1872012-11-11T13:56:05Z2012-11-11T13:56:05Z<p>Ok, then how about using the phrase: "I don't put rubber bumpers on the games I run."</p>
<p>Like that any better?</p>Ok, then how about using the phrase: "I don't put rubber bumpers on the games I run."
Like that any better?Kthulhu2012-11-11T13:56:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?Ascalaphushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1862012-11-11T12:21:14Z2012-11-11T12:21:14Z<p>I do think there's an inconsistency between saying "as a GM, I let the dice fall where they may", and using PW:K, which doesn't use dice.</p>I do think there's an inconsistency between saying "as a GM, I let the dice fall where they may", and using PW:K, which doesn't use dice.Ascalaphus2012-11-11T12:21:14ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?Kromehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1852012-11-11T12:01:20Z2012-11-11T12:01:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ravingdork wrote:</div><blockquote> Having your long time character suddenly snuffed out by a <i>Power Word: Kill</i> spell from the GM? No save, no chance to avoid. Nothing. Just an unceremonious collapse unto death in front of "Enemy Spellcaster A." </blockquote><p>It's a level 9 spell. If we don't have something to deal with death by then, then I I get what I deserve. So no it doesn't bother me.Ravingdork wrote:Having your long time character suddenly snuffed out by a Power Word: Kill spell from the GM? No save, no chance to avoid. Nothing. Just an unceremonious collapse unto death in front of "Enemy Spellcaster A."
It's a level 9 spell. If we don't have something to deal with death by then, then I I get what I deserve. So no it doesn't bother me.Krome2012-11-11T12:01:20ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?Icyshadowhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1842012-11-11T11:45:43Z2012-11-11T11:45:43Z<p>If the game is more fun for everyone if the heroes do NOT get permanently killed, then go with that. If you're sure the players will enjoy it more when they are reminded of their mortality, then go with that. My players know you can die in the game, but I as a DM would prefer to see their characters make it to the end. However, I don't pull punches despite that, since two sessions ago the Dwarf Cleric got killed by a two-headed troll. Thing is, they had a Cleric in the vicinity who was able to Ressurect him so he didn't need to give up his character.</p>If the game is more fun for everyone if the heroes do NOT get permanently killed, then go with that. If you're sure the players will enjoy it more when they are reminded of their mortality, then go with that. My players know you can die in the game, but I as a DM would prefer to see their characters make it to the end. However, I don't pull punches despite that, since two sessions ago the Dwarf Cleric got killed by a two-headed troll. Thing is, they had a Cleric in the vicinity who was able...Icyshadow2012-11-11T11:45:43ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?AaronOfBarbariahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1832012-11-11T10:52:36Z2012-11-11T10:52:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Aranna wrote:</div><blockquote>I don't want players to get so callused over their character's mortality that the story of the game no longer matters.</blockquote><p>True.
<p>You can't really do much story-wise with players that don't care about their character dying to the point that they will throw them headlong into danger like a sacrificial pawn in a chess strategy.</p>
<p>You also are limited in what events can occur in the story if you have a player so attached to a character that death of said character shuts down his ability to keep playing.</p>
<p>I found that the best approach is to simply tell players "character death will happen - but it is only as permanent as you let it be. A return to life, like anything else, is just a quest away."</p>
<p>That way a player that doesn't mind a dead character can just move on like they want to, and an attached player can be assured that this is just another chapter in the still ongoing story of their favorite character.</p>Aranna wrote:I don't want players to get so callused over their character's mortality that the story of the game no longer matters.
True. You can't really do much story-wise with players that don't care about their character dying to the point that they will throw them headlong into danger like a sacrificial pawn in a chess strategy.
You also are limited in what events can occur in the story if you have a player so attached to a character that death of said character shuts down his ability...AaronOfBarbaria2012-11-11T10:52:36ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?Aranna (alias of Min2007)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1822012-11-11T09:07:19Z2012-11-11T09:07:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ashiel wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I have a player who gets too attached to his PCs to the point of a seemingly unhealthy level. I told him a long time ago that if he wanted to play in my games he needed to learn to let go a bit. If you cannot stand the thought of your character getting killed doing incredibly dangerous things then you should probably leave that character for your novel, your personal imagination, or back on the farm.
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</blockquote><p>I try my best to get people <i>involved</i> with their characters so this sits poorly with me. I feel a player's pain when they lose a treasured character. Death <i>should</i> matter. It is the final tragic end of a player's story. I am not saying the GM should pull punches, but neither should he use excessive force. There is a balance that should be observed. I don't want players to get so callused over their character's mortality that the story of the game no longer matters. This may even be part of the reason my games struggle at high level when death becomes a temporary setback.Ashiel wrote:I have a player who gets too attached to his PCs to the point of a seemingly unhealthy level. I told him a long time ago that if he wanted to play in my games he needed to learn to let go a bit. If you cannot stand the thought of your character getting killed doing incredibly dangerous things then you should probably leave that character for your novel, your personal imagination, or back on the farm.
I try my best to get people involved with their characters so this sits poorly...Aranna (alias of Min2007)2012-11-11T09:07:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?Telshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1812012-11-11T05:41:00Z2012-11-11T05:41:00Z<p>I have a D20 made out of steel. I call it my 'Hit Die' for people who aren't paying attention (texting, playing on phone etc). If I hit you, there's a chance you die.</p>I have a D20 made out of steel. I call it my 'Hit Die' for people who aren't paying attention (texting, playing on phone etc). If I hit you, there's a chance you die.Tels2012-11-11T05:41:00ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?AaronOfBarbariahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1802012-11-11T04:58:48Z2012-11-11T04:56:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">TriOmegaZero wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Tels wrote:</div><blockquote> My Dice speak louder than my players; I really don't pull punches. I let everyone know when they join my table I play dangerous games and there is always the chance you will die. </blockquote>That's nice. I do the same. </blockquote><p>I always love it when someone posts something like this statement.
<p>I know what you both mean, but I get a good chuckle out of how you have both said you warn players that they might die rather than that their characters might.</p>TriOmegaZero wrote:Tels wrote: My Dice speak louder than my players; I really don't pull punches. I let everyone know when they join my table I play dangerous games and there is always the chance you will die.
That's nice. I do the same. I always love it when someone posts something like this statement. I know what you both mean, but I get a good chuckle out of how you have both said you warn players that they might die rather than that their characters might.AaronOfBarbaria2012-11-11T04:56:38ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?TriOmegaZerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1792012-11-11T14:08:40Z2012-11-11T02:34:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tels wrote:</div><blockquote> My Dice speak louder than my players; I really don't pull punches. I let everyone know when they join my table I play dangerous games and there is always the chance you will die. </blockquote><p>That's nice. I do the same.Tels wrote:My Dice speak louder than my players; I really don't pull punches. I let everyone know when they join my table I play dangerous games and there is always the chance you will die.
That's nice. I do the same.TriOmegaZero2012-11-11T02:34:21ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?krevonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1782012-11-11T02:24:05Z2012-11-11T02:24:05Z<p>I've had the BBEG in more than one of my campaigns die to death attack, so no more disappointed than that. Also, it is funny to see grown men cheering over a successful death attack.</p>I've had the BBEG in more than one of my campaigns die to death attack, so no more disappointed than that. Also, it is funny to see grown men cheering over a successful death attack.krevon2012-11-11T02:24:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?Telshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1772012-11-11T14:08:42Z2012-11-11T02:08:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">TriOmegaZero wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Tels wrote:</div><blockquote>It's up to the Dice to choose what path you take. </blockquote>And it's up to my players how much I listen to the dice. </blockquote><p>My Dice speak louder than my players; I really don't pull punches. I let everyone know when they join my table I play dangerous games and there is always the chance you will die.TriOmegaZero wrote:Tels wrote:It's up to the Dice to choose what path you take.
And it's up to my players how much I listen to the dice. My Dice speak louder than my players; I really don't pull punches. I let everyone know when they join my table I play dangerous games and there is always the chance you will die.Tels2012-11-11T02:08:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?TriOmegaZerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1762012-11-11T14:37:12Z2012-11-10T21:56:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tels wrote:</div><blockquote>It's up to the Dice to choose what path you take. </blockquote><p>And it's up to my players how much I listen to the dice.Tels wrote:It's up to the Dice to choose what path you take.
And it's up to my players how much I listen to the dice.TriOmegaZero2012-11-10T21:56:25ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?Telshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1752012-11-10T21:52:32Z2012-11-10T21:52:32Z<p>Some are born to do great things.</p>
<p>Some are born to die in a great way.</p>
<p>It's up to the Dice to choose what path you take.</p>Some are born to do great things.
Some are born to die in a great way.
It's up to the Dice to choose what path you take.Tels2012-11-10T21:52:32ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?wraithstrike (alias of concerro)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1742012-11-10T20:52:01Z2012-11-10T20:52:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">The black raven wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Ashiel wrote:</div><blockquote> I love players who can take danger in stride. I have a friend who was playing a Fighter and an assassin NPC death-attacked him. He made his save and was like "She just used a Death-Attack on me? And she killed me horse? Why that cheeky...". In his mind, it wasn't an issue that the GM just used an NPC with a save-or-die effect at around 5th level or so. It was more than she was gonna totally gonna pay for murdering his horse. XD </blockquote><p>Your example shows that the player was ok with his PC's horse dying. Not that he would have been ok with his 5-th level PC dying with no chance to act and try to prevent it.
<p>How was the latter going to enhance the story of his character ?</p>
<p>Dying merely because of bad luck is not a hero's death IMO.</p>
<p>(BTW, I am talking about irremediable end-of-the-story death here. Not about a little stroll on Pharasma's lawn and back to the Material Plane) </blockquote><p>Not all characters get to be heroes. Some are only given the opportunity to do so.The black raven wrote:Ashiel wrote: I love players who can take danger in stride. I have a friend who was playing a Fighter and an assassin NPC death-attacked him. He made his save and was like "She just used a Death-Attack on me? And she killed me horse? Why that cheeky...". In his mind, it wasn't an issue that the GM just used an NPC with a save-or-die effect at around 5th level or so. It was more than she was gonna totally gonna pay for murdering his horse. XD
Your example shows that the...wraithstrike (alias of concerro)2012-11-10T20:52:01ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?Starbuck_IIhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1732012-11-10T16:41:39Z2012-11-10T16:41:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Brain in a Jar wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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What if you got pushed of a cliff and died from fall damage?
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What if a Cavalier rode by and hit you with a Lance for that much?
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Or any number of spells, attacks, abilities, that could easily render someone with 100 HP dead.
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Can the PC do the exact same thing? Yes, they can use Power Word Kill. Keep in mind there is no NPC section and PC section for spells and such. If it's allowed by one it's allowed by all.
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Plus, DMs determine whether you can buy high level scrolls.</p>
<p>You can't raise the dead from Death effects like Power Word kill, you need Resurrection.</p>Brain in a Jar wrote:What if you got pushed of a cliff and died from fall damage?
Requires a successful bull rush against my CMD first. Quote:What if a Cavalier rode by and hit you with a Lance for that much?
AC/Crane wing/etc Quote:Or any number of spells, attacks, abilities, that could easily render someone with 100 HP dead.
Saves. Quote:Can the PC do the exact same thing? Yes, they can use Power Word Kill. Keep in mind there is no NPC section and PC section for spells and such. If it's...Starbuck_II2012-11-10T16:41:39ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?Marius Castillehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1722012-11-10T13:18:10Z2012-11-10T13:18:10Z<p>Have we all not had Dark Dungeons moments though?</p>Have we all not had Dark Dungeons moments though?Marius Castille2012-11-10T13:18:10ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?The black raven (alias of The Raven Black)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1712012-11-10T09:29:04Z2012-11-10T09:29:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ashiel wrote:</div><blockquote> I love players who can take danger in stride. I have a friend who was playing a Fighter and an assassin NPC death-attacked him. He made his save and was like "She just used a Death-Attack on me? And she killed me horse? Why that cheeky...". In his mind, it wasn't an issue that the GM just used an NPC with a save-or-die effect at around 5th level or so. It was more than she was gonna totally gonna pay for murdering his horse. XD </blockquote><p>Your example shows that the player was ok with his PC's horse dying. Not that he would have been ok with his 5-th level PC dying with no chance to act and try to prevent it.
<p>How was the latter going to enhance the story of his character ?</p>
<p>Dying merely because of bad luck is not a hero's death IMO.</p>
<p>(BTW, I am talking about irremediable end-of-the-story death here. Not about a little stroll on Pharasma's lawn and back to the Material Plane)</p>Ashiel wrote:I love players who can take danger in stride. I have a friend who was playing a Fighter and an assassin NPC death-attacked him. He made his save and was like "She just used a Death-Attack on me? And she killed me horse? Why that cheeky...". In his mind, it wasn't an issue that the GM just used an NPC with a save-or-die effect at around 5th level or so. It was more than she was gonna totally gonna pay for murdering his horse. XD
Your example shows that the player was ok with his...The black raven (alias of The Raven Black)2012-11-10T09:29:04ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?Ashielhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1702012-11-09T20:26:19Z2012-11-09T20:26:19Z<p>I have a player who gets too attached to his PCs to the point of a seemingly unhealthy level. I told him a long time ago that if he wanted to play in my games he needed to learn to let go a bit. If you cannot stand the thought of your character getting killed doing incredibly dangerous things then you should probably leave that character for your novel, your personal imagination, or back on the farm.</p>
<p>He's gotten better about it. Especially after he realized that I wasn't going to fudge for his character to survive. If anything I think his characters have gotten better (and he seems to try and make them OP less and less as well).</p>
<p>I love players who can take danger in stride. I have a friend who was playing a Fighter and an assassin NPC death-attacked him. He made his save and was like "She just used a Death-Attack on me? And she killed me horse? Why that cheeky...". In his mind, it wasn't an issue that the GM just used an NPC with a save-or-die effect at around 5th level or so. It was more than she was gonna totally gonna pay for murdering his horse. XD</p>I have a player who gets too attached to his PCs to the point of a seemingly unhealthy level. I told him a long time ago that if he wanted to play in my games he needed to learn to let go a bit. If you cannot stand the thought of your character getting killed doing incredibly dangerous things then you should probably leave that character for your novel, your personal imagination, or back on the farm.
He's gotten better about it. Especially after he realized that I wasn't going to fudge for...Ashiel2012-11-09T20:26:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?lucky7 (alias of Elizabeth Brasell)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1692012-11-09T18:05:04Z2012-11-09T18:05:04Z<p>It really depends. I play PFS, which has an extreme amount of lethality at lower levels. One of my friends had his oracle killed in two rounds by a @#$% pair of hobgoblin rogues. I was mad at the Hobgoblins, but the dude took it in stride, having no investment in him whatsoever. (We ended up getting the GM a little skull sticker.) On the other hand, if something happpened to my Cavalier, or a Sorceror I have in the works called Skygazer, a character I love the story behind, I would be mad. It hurts more when you give your characters a life of their own.</p>It really depends. I play PFS, which has an extreme amount of lethality at lower levels. One of my friends had his oracle killed in two rounds by a @#$% pair of hobgoblin rogues. I was mad at the Hobgoblins, but the dude took it in stride, having no investment in him whatsoever. (We ended up getting the GM a little skull sticker.) On the other hand, if something happpened to my Cavalier, or a Sorceror I have in the works called Skygazer, a character I love the story behind, I would be mad. It...lucky7 (alias of Elizabeth Brasell)2012-11-09T18:05:04ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?Lamontiushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1682012-11-09T17:52:43Z2012-11-09T17:52:43Z<p>Gorbacz, just work the terms "Monk" and "DPR" into your thread title.</p>Gorbacz, just work the terms "Monk" and "DPR" into your thread title.Lamontius2012-11-09T17:52:43ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: As a player, would this piss you off?beej67https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4pf&page=4?As-a-player-would-this-piss-you-off#1672012-11-09T17:48:47Z2012-11-09T17:48:47Z<p>Depends on the level of the game. At high levels, this should totally be in play.</p>
<p>I have a MUCH better story though.</p>
<p>I was playing in a 5th level game. I had a GM teleport my character against my will to the deck of a galley four hundred miles away, without any sort of save, had the captain of the ship chop my arm off without any sort of roll to hit, damage, or save, and teleport me back to my prior location.</p>
<p>5th level character.</p>
<p>I was dumbfounded. I didn't even know how that was within the rules, and apparently neither did he, because I spent the next half hour trying to figure out if it was even legal. I discovered the only way to do it is with a Wish spell, and you still get a save on the unwanted teleport. So apparently the pirate captain had Fistandantalus and Elminster as deck hands on his boat, and was willing to burn reagents equal to five times the value of his entire vessel to 'teach me a lesson' or whatever. I called him on it, and he made some crap up about how he had special spells his NPCs were using that weren't in the book. </p>
<p>Most of his players quit within a month of that stunt. I quit that night.</p>Depends on the level of the game. At high levels, this should totally be in play.
I have a MUCH better story though.
I was playing in a 5th level game. I had a GM teleport my character against my will to the deck of a galley four hundred miles away, without any sort of save, had the captain of the ship chop my arm off without any sort of roll to hit, damage, or save, and teleport me back to my prior location.
5th level character.
I was dumbfounded. I didn't even know how that was within...beej672012-11-09T17:48:47Z