Ravingdork |
I've seen it happen again and again and again and again on these boards: People referring to class abilities, racial abilities, traits, and essentially anything else that is not a feat, as a feat.
STOP IT ALREADY!
It's annoying to veterans like myself and confusing to newcomers as well.
TheRedArmy |
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Boy, you're not kidding. Can I take Wizard Spellcasting as a feat? Yes, please! I'll take two - throw the cleric spells with it.
I haven't seen it too much on the forums, it's a fair point. I think the precedent probably began with Rouge Talents you could take feats with (and subsequent taking a ninja trick with a rouge trick you could take with a feat. Ugh) and so forth.
Roberta Yang |
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I've seen it happen again and again and again and again on these boards: People saying "ALREADY!" after a phrase that doesn't warrant it. It makes no sense.
It's annoying to English-speakers like myself and confusing to those learning English as well.
:P :P :P
Erm, what was the question?
:)
The intensifier use of "already" is in the dictionary. That's the funny thing about English words: they often have multiple definitions.
Weirdo |
I haven't seen this either, aside from TheRonin's example with weapon proficiency. But I can see how that might be confusing.
I've never seen this happen. Though I had SUCH a headache trying to explain to one set of new players that just because your favored class can give you one additional hp or skill point, that does NOT mean you can dump all of one into the other.
You mean they wanted to play, for example, a barbarian with d12+4+Int HP/level and no skills?
Azaelas Fayth |
The reason why it was shortened in the older games was simply to save Space and Money.
And that definition fits what most older games had for class feat(ure)s.
Heck, one games "Fighter" was able to spend their full turn to deal 10x damage to a single enemy after they gained their 5th "Milestone" (This games levels).
Pendagast |
im with you shadow. There isnt a game that had veterans playing it that predated DnD by Ten years. Especially one that had "Feats" or "Features".
Chainmail was a predecessor of DnD (sort of and slightly) played by Dave Arneson and Gary Gygax, and VERY few other people. It was mainly a miniature game, role playing individuals rather than playing units was a new idea from Dave and certainly didnt predate DnD by a decade.
Is there someone who is confused as to there being a fantasy RPG from the 1960s?
Darigaaz the Igniter |
I haven't seen this either, aside from TheRonin's example with weapon proficiency. But I can see how that might be confusing.
Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:I've never seen this happen. Though I had SUCH a headache trying to explain to one set of new players that just because your favored class can give you one additional hp or skill point, that does NOT mean you can dump all of one into the other.You mean they wanted to play, for example, a barbarian with d12+4+Int HP/level and no skills?
Actually one of them wanted to trade 3 hp from their 1st level fighter for more skill points
danielc |
Azaelas Fayth wrote:NOTE: I learned from veterans who played Fantasy RPGs that predate D&D by around 10 years.what game besides chainmail predates and by 10 years?
I agree, I would like to learn what Fantay RPGs predate D&D by almost 10 years? D&D was first published in 1974 so these games were published in around 1964?
Aelryinth RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 |
Rynjin |
Okay, look, the character sheet I use doesn't have a "Class Features" section, it just has "Feats" and "Special Abilities".
The Special Abilities tab is used for my traits and elaborating on complex abilities, so everything else is a Feat.
Don't be mad at me please.
I'm not even sure there's a video game that predates 3.5 by ten years. Even Ultima, etc, as MMORPG's were mid-90's. Yeah, there were a few video games in the 80's, but not many...computer tech just wasn't that advanced, and most games were sideways scrollers or almost text based.
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Lots of games came out before 1993 Aelryinth.
Drejk |
Okay, look, the character sheet I use doesn't have a "Class Features" section, it just has "Feats" and "Special Abilities".
The Special Abilities tab is used for my traits and elaborating on complex abilities, so everything else is a Feat.
Don't be mad at me please.
Aelryinth wrote:Lots of games came out before 1993 Aelryinth.I'm not even sure there's a video game that predates 3.5 by ten years. Even Ultima, etc, as MMORPG's were mid-90's. Yeah, there were a few video games in the 80's, but not many...computer tech just wasn't that advanced, and most games were sideways scrollers or almost text based.
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Feegle |
I'm not even sure there's a video game that predates 3.5 by ten years. Even Ultima, etc, as MMORPG's were mid-90's. Yeah, there were a few video games in the 80's, but not many...computer tech just wasn't that advanced, and most games were sideways scrollers or almost text based.
==Aelryinth
Wizardry, Ultima, Bard's Tale, Legend of Zelda, Final Fantasy? Off the top of my head, all pre-86 or 87-ish
Oceanshieldwolf |
Do you mean kind of like this?
Great link bigkilla! Had a lot of fun reading that thread. A very interesting debate on when is a feat a feat or not a feat or kinda a feat for the purposes of taking feats. I think.
Fabulous... Always love it when bbt says stuff like bat$&!t crazy...memorax |
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Between this thread and the "This will show those fools who use the fighter class to make generic faceless personality-less PC-substitute nonpeople on legs" thread, it seems like RavingDork has declared war on strawmen who don't exist.
Agreed and seconded. Imo he's getting worse. i'm all for debating on a forum. Yet RD is starting to come across as a gaming version of a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist. What's next RD is going to declare war on those who call soft drinks soda pop or something.
Azaelas Fayth |
Knights of Blackforest.
Wizardcraft.
Renaissance.
These all are classified as RPGs.
Because a player only controlled an individual they built using the rules. not a unit or army.
Renaissance is from the 40s and is only available in French, Spanish, German, and Polish.
NOTE: These are European. Chainmail was one of the few easily obtained by Americans.
Aelryinth RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16 |
Aelryinth wrote:Wizardry, Ultima, Bard's Tale, Legend of Zelda, Final Fantasy? Off the top of my head, all pre-86 or 87-ishI'm not even sure there's a video game that predates 3.5 by ten years. Even Ultima, etc, as MMORPG's were mid-90's. Yeah, there were a few video games in the 80's, but not many...computer tech just wasn't that advanced, and most games were sideways scrollers or almost text based.
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Like I said...sideways scrollers or heavily text based. I played most of those. Many have strong D&D ancestry showing. Animation compared to nowadays are childish. And yes, I owned an Atari, too.
I should have noted that I was referring to more open architecture sorts of things that you find in MMO's and some of the bigger games nowadays.
The phrasing should have been "I'm not sure there's a relevant video game he's referring to that predated 3.5 by 10 years..." :)
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Weirdo |
Do you mean kind of like this?
That's what TheRonin mentioned about people arguing that getting proficiency with a weapon as a class (or racial) feature is equivalent to having the relevant weapon proficiency feat, since in this particular case the effect of the feat and the class ability is identical. That's different from mixing up feats and class abilities in general.
Azaelas Fayth |
Anyone remember this game from 1985 for the Comadore 64 Phantasie?
Sounds familiar...