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Walking Dead TV Series - How you vex me! (spoilers)


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Wait a minute.....Its been about, what, a year? since the zombie outbreak, right? Then how the hell did that army platoon that the Governor ambushed still have gas and ammunition? Could the federal government still be active and just have the outbreak isolated and quarantined? The shutoff would have to be complete, including telephone and internet, to explain the CDC's lack of communications though. Just something Ive been pondering. Am I crazy or no?

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CDC blew up at the end of Season 1 ...


i love the tv show, but iv'e read the comic from the start its fatastic i highly recomend it


zylphryx wrote:
CDC blew up at the end of Season 1 ...

I know. Before it did, the Dr said that he no longer receives transmissions from any other researchers. So, how in the heck did that platoon still have gas and ammo, after a whole year?

Shadow Lodge

I'll have to recheck, but I believe one of those vehicles was a military fuel truck.

<Edit> Nope, nevermind.


TheWhiteknife wrote:
Wait a minute.....Its been about, what, a year? since the zombie outbreak, right? Then how the hell did that army platoon that the Governor ambushed still have gas and ammunition? Could the federal government still be active and just have the outbreak isolated and quarantined? The shutoff would have to be complete, including telephone and internet, to explain the CDC's lack of communications though. Just something Ive been pondering. Am I crazy or no?

As 3 Dead Trolls in a Baggie have preached in the past (LINK) the Internet is just dying to be used in a zombie apocalypse, since it was commisioned for a Bieber-less world of chaos.

As to how the military would have supplies I imagine if you had ammo/gas enough for an entire military then the dregs of the human race would be hard-pressed to go through all of the supplies in short order.


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The soldier that was taken back to town told the governor that until recently they were part of a locked down military base until someone inside turned and bit several people. Then things went to chaos and his group fled. I imagine the vehicles were fueled at the time and that the base had stopped doing any meaningful fuel intensive patrols.

He mentioned that someone got bit and he didn't know how, but I bet someone just died without being bit and turned. It probably hadn't happened to them yet so they didn't know everyone's infected.


good catch, MeanDM.

sooooo Rick's inside the prison on a rage-fueled killfest for at least 10-12 hours (afternoon to next dawn), and no but Glenn thinks to check on him? I guess digging and filling empty graves takes precedence over Rick. And what the hell happened to Glenn? After confronting Rick, he wasnt seen again. Is he outside? Inside? Dead? Alive?

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TheWhiteknife wrote:
I know. Before it did, the Dr said that he no longer receives transmissions from any other researchers. So, how in the heck did that platoon still have gas and ammo, after a whole year?

The same way the survivors find gas and ammo, they scavenge it.

The good part about so many people being dead is that there should be tonnes of supplies everywhere. Hell, I think there's more ammo in Texas than there are people in the US, I don't think ammo should ever be a problem.

Grand Lodge Dedicated Voter 2013

Yeah, I had to lol at the fact that Rick spent the entire episode on perma-rage with an axe and the tiniest dagger I've ever seen inside the prison.

WHERE IS LAURIE'S BODY? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?
I cannot accept that Carl didn't plug her in the head. Perhaps Rick's insanity/post traumatic stress has meant that he cannot comprehend seeing the deceased body of his wife, so his mind has switched it with that white haired pot bellied zombie. As a coping mechanism. So when he's repeatedly stabbing that whitehair zombie, he's actually stabbing his dead wife. Pleasant.

Little Ass-kicker is a great name for a baby in the zombie holocaust.
Maybe she can grow up to become a psychologist. Detect Insanity seems like a good class ability in that setting.

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Laurie got eaten by the stuffed zombie.

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Bones and all? @_@

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It was a hungry zombie.

Actually, during Talking Dead after the show, the guy who directed the episode did say that yes, she got eaten. And the thing he picked up? The bullet Carl shot to keep her from rising.


whos on the phone? The whole scene with the arena was strange even for bad guys. How closely is this following the comics and any idea what issue we are at right now?

Star Voter 2013

Initially I thought that Lori was eaten by a zombie, but if she did it would have been a lot messier, with more blood and remains leftover (like T-Dog, who was eaten by 2+ zombies). The only blood that was there was from the birth.

So... even though the producers said they'd never do it, I think Carl didn't shoot his mom and she's walking around the prison.

But... movie makers screw up (on details like this), so maybe that's not the case.

RE: Phone. Rick is obviously delusional right now and the phone is a figment of his imagination. Phones are not working right now and neither is his head.

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It's really not tied to comic issues now, not directly anyway. Zombie fight club is in the comics, the phone is in the comics ( not gonna tell you who is on the phone though ... You'll find out next week), zombie kid is in the comic, but the story arc is changed a bit, so other than as a general guide, the comic is more like a parallel tale in the next dimension over.


KestlerGunner wrote:
Bones and all? @_@

If they took the bones out it wouldn't be crunchy.


"Oh pot belly zombie, why did you eat my Laurie? Now you force me to go digging around in your guts for her ring. Do you know what I paid for that thing!"

Star Voter 2013

On the Talking Dead, the director confirmed that the zombie with the pot belly did indeed eat Lori. Talk about a lack of closure for Rick, can't even bury the body. Ughh...

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Jason S wrote:


RE: Phone. Rick is obviously delusional right now and the phone is a figment of his imagination. Phones are not working right now and neither is his head.

Or it could be Carol calling on an internal line looking for help.

Assuming of course that she is still alive. There is some amount of power and functionality in the prison, maybe the internal phones are still working?

Would be a good "story" way to Rick to snap out it and step back up as the leader.

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Jason S wrote:

On the Talking Dead, the director confirmed that the zombie with the pot belly did indeed eat Lori. Talk about a lack of closure for Rick, can't even bury the body. Ughh...

Seems awfully...thorough for a zombie though. I mean, bones and all? It's just kind of weird.

Grand Lodge Dedicated Voter 2013

Shadowborn wrote:
Jason S wrote:

On the Talking Dead, the director confirmed that the zombie with the pot belly did indeed eat Lori. Talk about a lack of closure for Rick, can't even bury the body. Ughh...

Seems awfully...thorough for a zombie though. I mean, bones and all? It's just kind of weird.

Yeah it's pretty much implausible.

The human stomach has a capacity of about 3 litres. Even if you are undead and can withstand lots of internal organ stretchiness, even a 6 litre stomach cannot hold an entire human woman, bones and all.

Did the crew not have the budget for a dead Lori dummy? If not, why did they commission a pot-belly zombie?

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I agree about Lori's body (too much body, too clean), but it came from the director himself.


Maybe some other zombies shared a meal with pot belly but they weren't so full that they couldn't shamble off to look for dessert.

Grand Lodge Dedicated Voter 2013

Maybe there's a large number of zombies lumbering around that endless dark prison maze carrying Lori doggy bags?

Maybe Lori is a Jedi?

Maybe Lori had a 100% guaranteed funeral insurance plan that came into effect even with the added difficulties of the zombie apocalypse?

Dark questions for a dark time.


You'd think that given that a prison is designed such that there aren't an excess number of access points, that it would be relatively easy for the group to locate all of these and seal off all but a few and then proceed to clear out section by section. They do control the entire exterior perimeter right?


Legendarius wrote:
You'd think that given that a prison is designed such that there aren't an excess number of access points, that it would be relatively easy for the group to locate all of these and seal off all but a few and then proceed to clear out section by section. They do control the entire exterior perimeter right?

No they do not control the perimeter. They control one yard. They never got around to clearing the entire exterior, which is why they were attacked and overrun so easily. Sure they cleared one cell block but they had no idea where exits were or where likely rooms were. (Hint: there's probably a loading dock and a motor pool somewhere.)

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rpgsavant wrote:
Legendarius wrote:
You'd think that given that a prison is designed such that there aren't an excess number of access points, that it would be relatively easy for the group to locate all of these and seal off all but a few and then proceed to clear out section by section. They do control the entire exterior perimeter right?
No they do not control the perimeter. They control one yard. They never got around to clearing the entire exterior, which is why they were attacked and overrun so easily. Sure they cleared one cell block but they had no idea where exits were or where likely rooms were. (Hint: there's probably a loading dock and a motor pool somewhere.)

Good point. Meaning (possibly) more vehicles, more food, and more supplies. They also haven't bothered with the prison laundry yet, which would have clean sheets they could use for bandages. That no one has died from common sepsis yet (especially Herschel) is amazing.


Random rambling thoughts:

So...we know within the premise of the world there have been on Zombie movies. The general knowledge of risen dead being more akin possibly to Vlad Dracula and Brahms Stoker type tales.

(Does this also possibly mean this reality does not have roll playing games? And that Call of Cthulhu is still lost in the dime store novels?)

Hence the beginning.

*Every one is already a carrier of the weird-ness that causes the dead to rise. It's too late, you can't out run it, every one is home/infested with whatever it is makes the dead get up and seek the living.

*For whatever reason, this pathogen was dormant. Didn't have the right amount 'Oomph' to have people getting up.

*At some point it reached said level of activations...But, now how did the plague then spread?

*How many homeless people are in an average large city? Tens? Hundreds? Thousands? Hidden away under bridges and in all the nooks and crannies that decent people don't see or choose to ignore?

*With every one a carrier...all it might take is one unseasonably cold Autumn's night to catch said amount of homeless people out and unawares. Come the early hours of the morning in the aftermath, said newly activated Zombies arise.

*The shamblers, which we have seen, have a 'pack'/'swarming' drive begin to congregate and move towards the early morning peoples of the city. Garbage collectors. Delivery people. People in Security positions within shut down High-rise buildings and Office towers. Individuals who are alone, isolated, unaware.

*Ignorant of the nature of the approaching threat (No Zombie literature) said people are quickly over whelmed and taken down. Though one would assume sporadic calls for help are send out.

*The first police arrive, again with out truly knowing what is going on, and also fall victim to the ever increasing horde of Shamblers.

*This pattern spreads. Those coming itno work as the city stirs are delivered into the growing horde by public transport, the trains and buses that almost all city people catch to take them into the bustling hives that are modern cities.

Of course, this doesn't account/explain what might have set things off in more temperate climates. But t'is just some musings I thought I'd share.

*Bows*

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KestlerGunner wrote:
Maybe Lori is a Jedi?

This is the only logical answer.

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Think it would do any good to email the writers and respectfully request that they never show the Governor in a state of undress ever again?


Shadowborn wrote:
Think it would do any good to email the writers and respectfully request that they never show the Governor in a state of undress ever again?

I second that.

Also, his head in jar room needs some Christmas lights!

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That would definitely make it more cheery.

Grand Lodge Dedicated Voter 2013

Yeah my girlfriend and I screamed "Aurguguughghhh" when there were any nude scenes featuring the governor. That was revolting. Far more horrifying than any of the blood and guts scenes with the zombies.

I think the writing is beginning to falter a lot compared to the opening episodes of this season.

If you were the Governor, and you lost four combat-ready men on a hunt after one female survivor, would you be 'Oh geeze that's too bad' or would you be emotionally gutted? He effectively saw at least a 10% loss in his settlement's combat strength. Oh well, back to bed.

If you had written a scene whereby Merle decides to head back to the settlement, and is so adamant that he is returning to the settlement that he kills his only ally in order to do it, WHY DOES HE END UP AT EXACTLY THE SAME STORE AS MICHONNE? She is going one direction, he is going in exactly the opposite direction! Did they both get lost in the woods?!?

Merle wants to see his brother. We get that. But is capturing, interrogating and torturing the party members of your own brother the best way to meet and make a lasting link with your long lost brother? I get that he's a psycho, but even psychoes use tactics when they have an 'in' to a new community.

Darren is potentially on the same level as Rick in terms of having Survivor Badass levels. So why in God's name would he allow a creaking door, evident of a zombie or something worse, go on creaking without opening the door and dealing with whatever threat was present in a proactive manner? Does he want to die now?

Potbelly zombie is still lying around. Just lying there, irritating me and constantly forcing me to ask where Lori's body is hiding. Nyaaagh. *beats head on desk*

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I think Merle's problem (well, aside from being a sexist, racist jerk) is that he's got a volatile temper lighting a fire beneath an underdeveloped brain. The guy's not real bright. Plus, he's a bully and a coward. Not the type of guy to make a lot of rational decisions.

Now the Governor, that man is truly insane...

But yeah, the door thing bothered me too. With all the other problems they've had at the prison, you'd think they'd start checking everything by now, just to be safe.

I just read an entire thread about knocking snakes prone in Pathfinder, so I don't think I can get into Lori's body, or lack thereof, without blowing a gasket.


Shadowborn wrote:
I just read an entire thread about knocking snakes prone in Pathfinder

*blink*

LOL, the things people will argue at length over absolutely boggles my mind.

p.s. Of course you can knock a snake prone :)

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The Governor is a complete loon; the fact that he doesn't react negatively to losing 3 men is another sign of the level of his disconnect.

As for Merle and Michonne, we don't know which way Michonne went and neither did Merle. She could very well be heading back to the settlement to get Andrea.

Agreed on the door thing though ... clear out as you go in so you don't get trapped between two groups.

Xenh wrote:
p.s. Of course you can knock a snake prone :)

O_o ... aren't they always prone ... knocking one upright would be more impressive ...


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Anyone else notice how well maintained all the lawns are? Grass is cut, bushes are trimmed, roads are weeded, sidewalks are edged. And I'm not talking about the community, just watch whenever anyone makes a supply run. Its a little disconcerting that lawn care seems to be a top priority when zombies are about.

(Obviously, it would be pretty intensive cgi work or take some time to let the lawns really go to pot.)

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Anyone see players using jaw/armless zombies as pack mules in RPGs before?


WampaX wrote:
Anyone else notice how well maintained all the lawns are? Grass is cut, bushes are trimmed, roads are weeded, sidewalks are edged. And I'm not talking about the community, just watch whenever anyone makes a supply run. Its a little disconcerting that lawn care seems to be a top priority when zombies are about.

Zombie grass :) Doesn't die, but doesn't grow either.

Watch out it won't be long before this happens

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Raymond Lambert wrote:
Anyone see players using jaw/armless zombies as pack mules in RPGs before?

I've made skelaton mounts a few times because they get tired and make pretty awesome guards at night (in 3.5). In PF, you never know when they will turn on you, so less cool.


I, for one, am completely stoked for the showdown that's hopefully coming next week between Rick's group and the Governor's group. I predict that Merle will turn on the Governor in a very Return of the Jedi type moment.

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TheWhiteknife wrote:
I, for one, am completely stoked for the showdown that's hopefully coming next week between Rick's group and the Governor's group. I predict that Merle will turn on the Governor in a very Return of the Jedi type moment.

Well, he is missing a hand ... not quite a full Vader, but it's a start. ;)


I predict just the opposite. I cant see the governor losing this battle.I havent read the comic but based on other television series that have come before i could see the son being the reason why Rick surrenders. My prediction is somewhere down the line the scientist working for the governor is your return of the jedi moment.

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I found it a little unrealistic last episode that:
A) A man was “isolated” from society and only 2 miles away from the road and from Woodbury
B) That anyone could not know about the zombies. Or that being a cop would matter.
C) That no zombie pack would have found his little shack until now.

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TheWhiteknife wrote:
I, for one, am completely stoked for the showdown that's hopefully coming next week between Rick's group and the Governor's group. I predict that Merle will turn on the Governor in a very Return of the Jedi type moment.

Merle is a villain, he always will be. He won't turn on the Governor, at least not in the short term. He will probably die horribly at his brother's hand eventually, not realizing how different they really are.

I'm also looking forward to the showdown next episode. I hope the group plans it out well. Why didn't Micchone give them any information? Like Merle is there, Andrea is there, do you know these people? Sigh.

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I think the dude in the cabin actually had just had a mental break, not that he was isolated from society or did not know about zombies. He had a dead, decaying dog in his shack ... not a sign of someone who is altogether there.

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Jason S wrote:
I'm also looking forward to the showdown next episode. I hope the group plans it out well. Why didn't Micchone give them any information? Like Merle is there, Andrea is there, do you know these people? Sigh.

*shrug*

She doesn't have any reason to expect that they know those people.


I have come to the conclusion that I like zombie movies, but zombies just are not scary.

Every time they are surrounded I keep thinking that perhaps if someone just donned the padding they used to train dogs they could clean up the town. Heck you could probably sleep with one gnawing on you too if need be.


Jason S wrote:


Merle is a villain, he always will be. He won't turn on the Governor, at least not in the short term. He will probably die horribly at his brother's hand eventually, not realizing how different they really are.

Oh I agree, Merle is definitely a villian. Just like Darth Vader. I see it going down like this: Firefight between the two groups breaks out, at some point Governor is ready to kill Darryl (intentional or not), Merle sees it and kills the Governor to save his brother. I dont think it would take much to push Merle to this. He obviously wants to take over Woodbury and actually thinks the Governor is too soft, IMO.

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