Wow, I don't know what to say. I'm an original buyer who has been hoping for years to see the final Razor Coast and I have been patiently looking forward to this Kickstarter, but I am completely confused. It doesn't seem like there is much incentive to join in on the Kickstarter. Maybe because we are getting the $110 Deckhand level for a discount.There is NO incentive to sign on unless you're willing to drop another $110 for the upgrade to the $150 level and get an extra book...which you will be able to purchase later for about 30 bucks. Very disappointed.
Well, we could join at the $30 Landlubber level and get the Player's Guide book & PDF and the character sheets, it just won't be signed.
Looks like that is what I will be doing, but $30 seems steep for a player's guide. Can we get a little more detail on it? How big, contents, etc?
At this point I'm just stoked that I'll finally get a copy of RC in my hands within the next few months.
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Looks like that is what I will be doing, but $30 seems steep for a player's guide. Can we get a little more detail on it? How big, contents, etc?
There is something you need to remember for a Kickstarter, you are Not Buying a Product, you are supporting a company to make a product.
$30 may seem a little steep for something you would be buying but that extra cost you are putting into the kickstarter is to help Frog God Games get the product out.
Incentives and rewards are just that, they are a reward for giving Frog God Money to get the product out, and some of the rewards you get are only through the kickstarter.
For those complaining about the cost of what you are getting you need to remember that.
Well, we could join at the $30 Landlubber level and get the Player's Guide book & PDF and the character sheets, it just won't be signed.
Looks like that is what I will be doing, but $30 seems steep for a player's guide. Can we get a little more detail on it? How big, contents, etc?
At this point I'm just stoked that I'll finally get a copy of RC in my hands within the next few months.
From the way I understand the project, if you were one of the pre-order folks (like us), you automatically are in at $30 level and get the Player's Guide, PDF, and character sheets of your choice (either S&W or Pathfinder). Is that not right?
Thus, if you want to get anything at all extra - like a hardcover or some other incentive, you'd have to pledge at the $110 level or above. Which, at this point, I just want the book I've waited three years (or more) to get.
There is something you need to remember for a Kickstarter, you are Not Buying a Product, you are supporting a company to make a product.
$30 may seem a little steep for something you would be buying but that extra cost you are putting into the kickstarter is to help Frog God Games get the product out.
Incentives and rewards are just that, they are a reward for giving Frog God Money to get the product out, and some of the rewards you get are only through the kickstarter.
For those complaining about the cost of what you are getting you need to remember that.
I hear you. But I paid the 30 bucks back in 2009, so technically, I've already pledged to support the project. I'm not going to whine about it anymore. I'll just wait patiently until I get the book and decide what to do from there.
At this writing there are 103 backers with over $21,000 raised. Looks like the project will not have any trouble being funded.
I think the pre-order folks get the full book if they do nothing about the KS:"You may also choose to do nothing and the main book will be shipped to you without any of the additional Kickstarter perks."
So if you are a pre-orderer for $0 you get the book (unsigned) for $110 you get: book (signed) and PG. I guess, tho it is not specified, that you get the PDF with the book if you do nothing. To me not worth supporting the KS if you have a pre-order, 110$ for the PG and a signature?
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Well, I have a pre-order, and I have still paid the 110$ if only because I want this to happen.
Now of course, it may be that the price reflects the need to honour pre-orders, and so on.
Anyways, I can't wait to DM this... Blood on the water and all that.
Mix this with Freeport, Dead Man's Chest, Skull and Shackles, maybe Cerulean seas ? MMmmmmmm
TPK ! TPK ! TPK !!!!
To me not worth supporting the KS if you have a pre-order, 110$ for the PG and a signature?
My point exactly.
I am in with bells on in this KS but it does seem odd that bit, pricing wise, I am sure the friendly Frogs will be on soon to explain their reasoning. Blonde Frog explained the big difference between the 150 and 250:
"Please note that Casey's Module "Call of the Frog God" is an exclusive module that we will NOT be selling after the kickstarter and it is GOOOOOOOD! We will have limited quantities of the Bethany Mini as well. Plus I'll let you know now that the $250 level will have a lot more bonus goals hit them than the $150 level. But I can't say more than that ~Blonde Frog"
I guess the extras that you'll get as this project hits bonus goals will make it more worth while. But if you are really just after the main book and maybe a few other bits maybe wait an see what the bonus goals are before deciding?
Still mega excited to see this after many years, thought it was the end when the lovely Lou organised the repayment of my pre-order, but to finally see it in my hands early next year is going to be awesome. And supported by my fave publisher is even better.
I'm in for the main book (FWIW, I'd be happy with a softcover if it brought the price down).
That Player's Guide will need to be pretty meaty for me to add another $20 for it.
Okay, I have one of the original preorders.
How much do I need to pledge to get the following: Razor Coast Hardcover (signed and numbered or not, doesn't matter to me) in print and PDF, Player's Guide in print and PDF, and the Exclusive Module?I neither want nor need the mini, and the character sheets would only be cool to have if I was actually able to find folks to run this for.
The bonus module does not come available until you hit the $250 pledge level - which is completely out for me. The level below that is the $150 level, but with your 30 bucks in pre-order, you're still 70 bucks short. So...not sure how to answer your question. One of the Frogs needs to chime in I guess. :)
From what I am knowledgable about, I know that part of the price tag is the full color, guys.
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As I understand it an outstanding preorder will get the book unsigned if the project is funded, to get the players guide and character sheets you'd need to pledge $30, the players guide is 64 pages, the module enters at the $250 pledge level so if you want that as well thats where you need to come in at.
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I do NOT want to throw any fuel on any fires, I do not want to offend anyone who feels entitled to anything, and I certainly do not want to put off anyone still wanting to support Nic and also to support the frogs, but here is also a perspective to consider:
Im not sure what the original preorder for Razor Coast was, long ago, but if I put it together correctly, its about $30? Is that in the ballpark?
How many years ago was that?
Does anyone really think you can get a full color, 250+ page book written by (and with) the best authors in the business right now for $30? C'mon guys...
Part of the reason Nic went out of contact for a while was business got away from him. It happens. Im not trying to bring all that up again, but that preorder price point was way off, so that has to be a consideration.
Are some of the price levels high for the content you get? Not compared to the industry right now, or other Kickstarters. Plus, as any of you know that have followed FGG kickstarters before, there is MUCH, MUCH more in store once we get over the funding level ( A fight I have had with some of the other frogs, nevermind nevermind!)
I know some of you don't want to go in on this, especially this time of year, but I do ask you to watch and consider, then reconsider when the treasure map gets filled out.
As dragonmoon pointed out, this isnt just to fund a book; this is to make a few things right for some authors, artists, layout people, etc., that threw in their time and effort to help out some friends in need, and get some AWESOME product out to the people who want it.
Last thing to consider; Kickstarters like this are not just a ploy of some kind to have a company get rich (BELIEVE ME, you do NOT get rich in the RPG industry....ev-er!). If this does not fund, the book will not be sold later. If this doesnt fund, Razor Coast doesnt get printed, authors and artists dont get paid, and some people leave this with a real bad taste for the industry in general. Things like this failing make people quit working in the business, which would be a real shame.
I dont know Nic very well, but I admire his work, and I think it took a lot for him to come back to the industry humbly, and ask you to look at his work again; I do know Lou, and the load of work he has taken on is much more immense than most of you know, and he'll never admit what a job its been; it has honestly been my pleasure (for the most part) to be a part of this effort, and I'll always be thankful that FGG even tried to make this happen.
To Nic, Lou, the frogs, and all the authors and artists that put their efforts forth, I lift a frosty glass to you, and say Good Job!
SG
I am playing catch up so bare with me as I answer questions. However we have added an option for pre-orders so please take a look:
For those fans of Razor Coast who have already pre-ordered from Sinister Adventures the first go around, you now have a few options:
1) Do nothing and you will receive your copy if we fund (without any additional Kickstarter perks). Of course helping by spreading the word and bringing your friends and players on board will help ensure that we fund and you can receive your copy too.
2) You can support the Kickstarter by pledging at the $110 level. You will automatically be bumped to the $150 level at no cost once the Kickstarter Ends.
3) You can support the Kickstarter by pledging at any level higher than $150 and receive a free player's guide and pad of character sheets in lieu of your original pre-order.
4) You can support the Kickstarter by pledging at any level and not take us up on either option 2 or 3 and receive your original pre-order and your new kickstarter pledge exclusively.
A survey will go out to the original pre-orders at the end of the project asking you if you backed the kickstarter and what option you prefer along with the version.
You can confirm your pre-order on the Frog God Games website or with Lou Agresta.
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I am playing catch up so bare with me as I answer questions. However we have added an option for pre-orders so please take a look:
For those fans of Razor Coast who have already pre-ordered from Sinister Adventures the first go around, you now have a few options:1) Do nothing and you will receive your copy if we fund (without any additional Kickstarter perks). Of course helping by spreading the word and bringing your friends and players on board will help ensure that we fund and you can receive your copy too.
"your copy" = 250+ page, hardcover, full-color Razor Coast main book with new art and cartography.
2) You can support the Kickstarter by pledging at the $110 level. You will automatically be bumped to the $150 level at no cost once the Kickstarter Ends.
$110 bumped to $150 = you receive one copy of the 250+ page, hardcover, full-color Razor Coast main book with new art and cartography, (signed and numbered), plus PDF. Also the ~64 page hardcover, full-color Player's Guide, plus PDF.
3) You can support the Kickstarter by pledging at any level higher than $150 and receive a free player's guide and pad of character sheets in lieu of your original pre-order.
So a pre-order person could pledge at $250. Normally, that means they get their pre-order 250+ page, etc. etc. Razor Coast main book unsigned copy AND as a $250 Swashbuckler they receive a second 250+ page, etc. etc. Razor Coast main book with new art and cartography (signed and numbered), plus PDF; ~64 page Player's Guide; an exclusive Bonus Module; the Bethany miniature; and a pad of RC character sheets.
However, not everyone wants 2 copies of the Razor Coast main book (1 signed and 1 unsigned), so pre-order folks get a new option. You can magically transform your unsigned Razor Coast main book into a second ~64 page, hard cover, full-color Player's Guide and a second pad of character sheets.
This is just an option that lets pre-order people who go so whole hog that they pledge above $150, decide whether to get two copies of the Razor Coast main book or two copies of the Player's Guide and character sheet pads.
4) You can support the Kickstarter by pledging at any level and not take us up on either option 2 or 3 and receive your original pre-order and your new kickstarter pledge exclusively.
That means $29.99 back in 2008 plus 80 tons of faith, an ocean of patience, and unbelievably huge hearts gets you the 250+ page, hardcover, full-color Razor Coast main book with new art and cartography, PLUS whatever individual add-ons you buy.
A survey will go out to the original pre-orders at the end of the project asking you if you backed the kickstarter and what option you prefer along with the version.You can confirm your pre-order on the Frog God Games website or with Lou Agresta.
Did I get that right, BF?
GeraintElberion
The model ships can be used in game to game combat
Mir
1) you will get 1 version hardback and pdf if you do nothing else
2) We have added a new option as well (see my previous post)
3) we've added FAQ on the player's guide on the Kickstarter. I will post it here as well.
4) if you do nothing than your book will come to you with the shipping taken care of. If you pledge on the Kickstarter you need to pay the appropiate shipping.
5) The value of the book will be listed at $100. The Kickstarter pledges will be listed as the pledge amount
6) I will get you more info on Casey's Exclusive Module soon.
Justin Sluder
$250. Please see the new options for pre-orders if you plan to pledge at this level. You would not get bump up at $210.
PLAYER'S GUIDE
Currently estimated as a 64 page book, with ~54 pp dedicated to new player options, ~7 pp of gazetteer on adventure opportunities throughout the greater Razor Coast, and ~12 pp of gazetteer expanding Port Shaw (plus a traveler's guide to Port Shaw and Kai Bay), the players' home base, with 10 new establishments to visit, 6 new languages, and 7 new organizations to join or oppose.
Player options in the book include 2 new playable races, 10 new archetypes, a new domain, a new prestige class, 18 new feats, 12 new traits, new equipment, new spells, 13 new magic items, 16 magical tattoos worn by sailors and Tulita throughout the Razor Sea, and new rules for close-quarters standoffs with flintlock pistols or crossbows.
There is a whole section on ships. Oh and 6 pre-generated characters that use the new options!
Wow the PG looks good, more than most modules in page count!
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To me not worth supporting the KS if you have a pre-order, 110$ for the PG and a signature?My point exactly.
One point you may be missing is, if the KS does not fund, you will not get your preorder right now because they will not have the money to produce it. They may be able to continue working on it, but it may be another year or two before they can publish it without the KS fund. So you can either sit back and wait awhile longer and save your money, or you can put in a pledge to try and help speed production along. It's a choice each individual has to make for themselves.
Edit: Of course, if we get funded here in the next week or so, it just becomes a question of 'do you want to extra goodies?' :)
Blonde Frog, I'm afraid that still does not answer some of the questions.
1) Do our preorders come with the pdfs they were originally supposed to?
2) If we do come in on the kickstarter do international preorders have to pay shipping?
1) yes
2) you must pay the kickstarter international shipping costs. This is to cover the true cost of the shipping. Unfortunately Nick did not charge nearly enough to cover the costs. However please see all the new pre-order/kickstarter options before you decide. If it is not for you then we will of course honor the original agreement Nick made. However we are hoping this allows those who want to support the project more a chance to do so.We haven't mentioned bonus goals yet but please know that the $150 level will receive some bonus goals but most of the bonus goals will hit the $250 level. So there are more incentives coming but we must fund first to pay off past debts and to pay for future printing costs.
I wish I hadn't taken the option of getting my money for the pre-order, cos for the money I paid just the book (retail 100 us I guess) would be rather a good deal!
Anyway excited to see what the bonus goal goodies are, we are just under 1/3 of the way there in under 24hrs :D
The details of that player's guide are welcome. That's a pretty awesome book all on its own. :)
Thanks for all of the explanations, but I think I'm just more confused. I'll wait and watch for a couple of weeks before deciding. By then, I'm sure the project will be funded.
Almost 1/3 of the way there! ; )
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I'm in for a PDF until I can afford to upgrade. I'm psyched! I just need to find a way to weld thisbeast onto my Midgard map, and then I'm going to interleave Razor Coast with Journeys to the West, gather some players, and sacrifice them to Dajobas!
I am playing catch up so bare with me as I answer questions. However we have added an option for pre-orders so please take a look:
For those fans of Razor Coast who have already pre-ordered from Sinister Adventures the first go around, you now have a few options:1) Do nothing and you will receive your copy if we fund (without any additional Kickstarter perks). Of course helping by spreading the word and bringing your friends and players on board will help ensure that we fund and you can receive your copy too.
2) You can support the Kickstarter by pledging at the $110 level. You will automatically be bumped to the $150 level at no cost once the Kickstarter Ends.
3) You can support the Kickstarter by pledging at any level higher than $150 and receive a free player's guide and pad of character sheets in lieu of your original pre-order.
4) You can support the Kickstarter by pledging at any level and not take us up on either option 2 or 3 and receive your original pre-order and your new kickstarter pledge exclusively.
A survey will go out to the original pre-orders at the end of the project asking you if you backed the kickstarter and what option you prefer along with the version.
You can confirm your pre-order on the Frog God Games website or with Lou Agresta.
Actually, if you pre-ordered from Sinister Adventures it would be easier to contact Mr. Agresta rather than FG. The only reason why I say this is that FG directed me to contact Lou. Just trying to save some people who may have pre-ordered from taking an extra step in the confirmation process. Or..Or! Check out Lou's own post entitled [Razor Coast] Want to Know if You Have a Razor Coast Pre-Order? on the Paizo MBs.
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A few years back I decided to attend to a gaming convention at the University of Buffalo. Unfortunately, I couldn't participate because well, it was my first gaming convention, and me being a noob to the gaming convention scene, had no idea about registration and all of the other pre-convention rituals.
On the hugely positive side, I had the privilege to able to sit in on a gaming session with Nick Logue as he DMed (using 3.5 edition D&D rules) an adventure in his very own Razor Coast setting. I saw it come to life as he stood (more than he sat), acting out and describing the rowdy sea town of Port Shaw. The PCs were each given a pre-gen that they all acted out wonderfully. There was double-crosses and hasty alliances, despair and desperate attempts for redemption. There was a first mate who happened to be a minotaur, tossing dragoons over the docks and into the briny waters below. Eventually, a gun magazine on a ship blew up and a chase ensued, ending with a pitched ship battle and a very, very large shark. That day was a game changer for me. I realized how adaptable Nick's style of GMing was, and how this really contributed to the excitement for the players. But more importantly, I saw Razor Coast as a living, breathing campaign world, filled with thrills and wonder.
I cannot tell you how elated I am about the possibility that Razor Coast will come to print. The fact that it is non-linear is incredibly appealing (well, to me anyway). This gives a GM a chance to exercise adaptability and flex his imagination. Ultimately, Razor Coast is unique for every player and hopefully, for the GM as well. After all, it is up to the GM to tie all the threads together. The non linear aspect will challenge us to do just that. It will unshackle us and encourage us to be more adaptable in our GM style.
So I hope any who are sitting on the fence with this project to consider investing in it, so that it will come to print. I hope GMs everywhere will be able to see how they can tie the threads together of pirates, dread horrors of the deep, and numerous other gems that Razor Coast has to offer.
Cheers and happy holidays!
GG
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Having enjoyed the rewards from the Rappan Athuk Kickstarter - shut up and take my money!
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Is there any chance of adding any no toys pledge levels/ I just cannot see myself paying money for the toy ships.
Like possibly a 425-450$ level the same as the 500$ level minus the 3 ships and mini.
425$ Buccaneer no toys: Both Pathfinder and Swords & Wizardry Signed & Numbered Hardcover Copies of Razor Coast w/ PDF, 2 Player's Guide w/ PDF, 2 pads of Character Sheets, both PF & SW EXCLUSIVE bonus modules by Casey Christofferson.
225$ Swashbuckler SW of Pathfinder no Mini: Swords & Wizardry or Pathfinder Signed & Numbered Hardcover Copies of Razor Coast w/ PDF, print Player's Guide w/ PDF, EXCLUSIVE bonus module by Casey Christofferson.
I have to agree with Mr. Smith. All of the extra goodies in RA were awesome, and same with the Swords and Wizardry Kick Starter. I look forward to supporting at a higher level, once some of the bonus content is put out there.
Also, thanks Lou for a description on the players book. I think this helps solidify the value in the pledge levels, and look forward to more details on the forthcoming booty.
I really would like to take a cruise, but would probably get divorced!
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Frog Gods .. International Shipping thought
Right now I think my total order value will be 130$ (or 150$ if shipping is included) customs starts hitting at about 120$ but.... at least in Korea customs does not charge for books (last I knew). I'm hoping you can label this as books as that is all I will be getting. When I pledge (I'm being lazy I'll get to it I promise!) I'll put a note in the comment field as well.
Does customs work this way for books anywhere else or is it a South Korea thing. I wondered if it would make a difference for others as well which is why I'm mentioning it here rather than just directly to them.
Thanks again for being great about the questions!
It works that way in the UK as well.
If I just get books from the KS, it would be incredibly helpful for the shipping to be labelled as "[X] books".
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Are the model ships just decorative or are they game aids?They will be game aids if we fund. Hence the flags. I think I may be in trouble for saying that. All the rest of the questions I leave to BF and Bill Webb. Or the Frig God will eat me.
...er I meant Frog God. Not Frig God.
Totally different god.
Louis, the Frig God would just put you in freeze mode until the Frog God wanted to have you for Dinner.
The Players Guide sounds good, but hopefully the pregens are better than the 15 point buys that were in RA. Some of us run heroic campaigns. Our group will probably pledge again and are looking at the $250 level at this time. How usable are the ships, specifically the 15" versions? My wife would like to know if they are to 25MM scale. You said they are usable as play aides.
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Is there any information available about the bonus adventure? I pledged for $110 (bumping it to $150 as a preorder) and as much as I'd like to get the adventure as well, bumping to $250 requires a bit more information about the adventure. Page count and any other information possible would be much appreciated.
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Check out the final FAQ (last thing at the bottom of the page). I'd cut and paste it here, but I'm on a tablet and can't grab the text. 4-6 characters, levels 8-11, set in Razor Coast, but not related to the AP, full-color, 3 maps, part of it is set in a whale. Estimated at 28pp for Swords and Wizardry and 36pp for Pathfinder.
Jeff, I was going with what Louis had said.
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Pledged here (though I was disturbed to find out what other sorts of projects are on Kickstarter these days).