I was wondering if the sneak attack feature may be used with weapons that aren't light and aren't rapiers. I thought that was the case, but looking at the SRD again seems to have removed that stipulation. I'm confused now. If I wanted to play, say, a Low Templar that wasn't originally a rogue, could I sneak attack with a longsword? Or am I basically limited to rapiers, short swords, and the like?

They work with all weapons and were never restrict to light weapons.

You can sneak attack with anything. The stipulation is that you cannot use a lethal weapon to deal non-lethal damage AND get sneak attack damage. E.g., using a dagger to deal subdual with a -4 does NOT net you sneak attack.

Light weapons and rapiers are typically used because they are valid weapons for the weapon finesse feat and result in lower penalties for TWF. Rapiers are especially used for their greater crit range. Even if you can't confirm the crit, an 18 is an automatic hit with a rapier, and that range widens with the proper feats or enhancements.

They work with all weapons and were never restrict to light weapons.

Weird. Why was I thinking they were? *confused*

Even if you can't confirm the crit, an 18 is an automatic hit with a rapier.

NO.

an 18 is not an auto-hit. only a 20 is auto-hit.
if your critical threat range is larger, you can crit more, but you still need to hit the AC first.

Increased Threat Range

Sometimes your threat range is greater than 20. That is, you can score a threat on a lower number. In such cases, a roll of lower than 20 is not an automatic hit. Any attack roll that doesn't result in a hit is not a threat.

Increased Threat Range Sometimes your threat range is greater than 20. That is, you can score a threat on a lower number. In such cases, a roll of lower than 20 is not an automatic hit.

See how you guys are? Gonna make me go and read and learns stuff and eat my own words.

I stand corrected. :P

I stand corrected. :P

Ya, but you deserve props for actually accepting it like a BOSS.

like a SIR!

They work with all weapons and were never restrict to light weapons.

Woot!

You're going to backstab him with a ballista?

Uh huh.

With a f@(#ing siege weapon?

Uh huh.

I have to go watch The Gamers again now.

Yes, you may sneak attack with a siege weapon. Provided the target is within 30 feet. I'm curious how this is managed with a catapult... :p

You can sneak attack with a boulder.

This means Giant Rogues can sneak attack with a thrown boulder within 30ft.

A sneak attack with a boulder seems just normla to me, after all yu do not need to targett a vital spot if you can target the entire body :)

isn´t there a monster feat for better sneaking when you are large?

Nightstalker. Ignore all size penalties to stealth.

Combined with Hellcat Stealth, you can have a Stone Giant that hides right next to you.

That makes me think about 3.0 when they introduced monsters with class levels and there was this shadowdragon/rogue who used to sneak up to people and sneak attack them.

That makes me think about 3.0 when they introduced monsters with class levels and there was this shadowdragon/rogue who used to sneak up to people and sneak attack them.

I must have missed that one.

Invisibility + Stealth + True Strike + Power Attack + Sneak Attack + Death Attack = OMFG!!

concerro wrote:

They work with all weapons and were never restrict to light weapons.

Woot!

The Gamemaster wrote:

You're going to backstab him with a ballista?

Nimble the Thief wrote:

Uh huh.

The Gamemaster wrote:

With a f@(#ing siege weapon?

Nimble the Thief wrote:

Uh huh.

I have to go watch The Gamers again now.

Because dere's no kill liek OVAHKILL!

Yes, you may sneak attack with a siege weapon. Provided the target is within 30 feet. I'm curious how this is managed with a catapult... :p

Just get Sniper's Goggles.