paizo.com Recent Posts in Sneak Attacking With Other Weaponspaizo.com Recent Posts in Sneak Attacking With Other Weapons2012-10-16T03:38:01Z2012-10-16T03:38:01ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsMrCharismahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#262019-03-26T05:11:02Z2019-03-26T05:11:02Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">blahpers wrote:</div><blockquote> Nope. No attack roll, no sneak attack. The <i>boulderhead mace</i>'s ability is more akin to an area effect (line) spell than a thrown boulder, and you can't (usually) sneak attack with a <i>lightning bolt</i>. (I'm not sure where 30 feet enters into the mix at all.) </blockquote><p>A ranged weapon only gets sneak attack damage if you're within 30 feet of your target:
<div class="messageboard-quotee"><a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/Rogue/#TOC-Sneak-Attack" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">SNEAK ATTACK</a> wrote:</div><blockquote>The rogue’s attack deals extra damage anytime her target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC (whether the target actually has a Dexterity bonus or not), or when the rogue flanks her target. This extra damage is 1d6 at 1st level, and increases by 1d6 every two rogue levels thereafter. Should the rogue score a critical hit with a sneak attack, this extra damage is not multiplied. <b>Ranged attacks can count as sneak attacks only if the target is within 30 feet.</b></blockquote><p>But blaphers is correct, you need to make an attack roll to get sneak-attack damage.blahpers wrote:Nope. No attack roll, no sneak attack. The boulderhead mace's ability is more akin to an area effect (line) spell than a thrown boulder, and you can't (usually) sneak attack with a lightning bolt. (I'm not sure where 30 feet enters into the mix at all.)
A ranged weapon only gets sneak attack damage if you're within 30 feet of your target: SNEAK ATTACK wrote:The rogue’s attack deals extra damage anytime her target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC (whether the target...MrCharisma2019-03-26T05:11:02ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other Weaponsblahpershttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#252019-03-26T00:20:52Z2019-03-26T00:19:51Z<p>Nope. No attack roll, no sneak attack. The <i>boulderhead mace</i>'s ability is more akin to an area effect (line) spell than a thrown boulder, and you can't (usually) sneak attack with a <i>lightning bolt</i>. (I'm not sure where 30 feet enters into the mix at all.)</p>Nope. No attack roll, no sneak attack. The boulderhead mace's ability is more akin to an area effect (line) spell than a thrown boulder, and you can't (usually) sneak attack with a lightning bolt. (I'm not sure where 30 feet enters into the mix at all.)blahpers2019-03-26T00:19:51ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsSteelthunderrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#242019-03-25T23:25:15Z2019-03-25T23:25:15Z<p>would a sneak damage work with the boulder head mace . for the first 30 feet in the line ? </p>
<p>The head of this +1 heavy mace is made from a single piece of roughly spherical granite. Once per day the wielder can command the mace to release this head, which grows to the size of a Large boulder and rolls quickly in a direction the wielder specifies. The boulder rolls in a straight line up to 60 feet, trampling everything in its path for 3d8+5 damage (Reflex half DC 19). The boulder collapses into rubble and dust at the end of its path or if it encounters an obstacle it cannot break through or roll over, creating a 10-foot-square area of difficult terrain. A new stone mace-head grows on the weapon's haft over the next 24 hours, and it is unusable as a weapon until the head regrows.</p>would a sneak damage work with the boulder head mace . for the first 30 feet in the line ?
The head of this +1 heavy mace is made from a single piece of roughly spherical granite. Once per day the wielder can command the mace to release this head, which grows to the size of a Large boulder and rolls quickly in a direction the wielder specifies. The boulder rolls in a straight line up to 60 feet, trampling everything in its path for 3d8+5 damage (Reflex half DC 19). The boulder collapses into...Steelthunderr2019-03-25T23:25:15ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsLordKailashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#232018-05-22T13:54:52Z2018-05-21T22:04:01Z<p>Maybe they were trying to sneak attack by making a comment the OP couldn't defend themselves against properly.</p>Maybe they were trying to sneak attack by making a comment the OP couldn't defend themselves against properly.LordKailas2018-05-21T22:04:01ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other Weaponsbbangerterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#222018-05-21T21:32:42Z2018-05-21T21:32:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">repillager wrote:</div><blockquote><p> From Sneak Attack
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Bonus damage from sneak attacks is precision damage.
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So if the weapon in question does not allow for precision say an object larger than the target body (not just vital attack point) there would be no bonus dmg.
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Yes a bolder targets all of the vitals, that is why it should do Massive DMG in part for the fact that it does hit all of the vitals.
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Just my take on it </blockquote><p>This thread <i>was</i> long dead.
<p>Raising it from its death to post an opinion that doesn't match the rules was uncalled for :).</p>
<p>The rules on SA do not care about weapon size or target size. Only that the target is flat-footed/denied dex/flanked.</p>repillager wrote:From Sneak Attack
Bonus damage from sneak attacks is precision damage.
So if the weapon in question does not allow for precision say an object larger than the target body (not just vital attack point) there would be no bonus dmg.
Yes a bolder targets all of the vitals, that is why it should do Massive DMG in part for the fact that it does hit all of the vitals.
Just my take on it
This thread was long dead. Raising it from its death to post an opinion that doesn't match the...bbangerter2018-05-21T21:32:42ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other Weaponsrepillagerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#212018-05-21T17:19:02Z2018-05-21T17:18:24Z<p>From Sneak Attack
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Bonus damage from sneak attacks is precision damage.
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So if the weapon in question does not allow for precision say an object larger than the target body (not just vital attack point) there would be no bonus dmg.
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Yes a bolder targets all of the vitals, that is why it should do Massive DMG in part for the fact that it does hit all of the vitals.
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Just my take on it</p>From Sneak Attack
Bonus damage from sneak attacks is precision damage.
So if the weapon in question does not allow for precision say an object larger than the target body (not just vital attack point) there would be no bonus dmg.
Yes a bolder targets all of the vitals, that is why it should do Massive DMG in part for the fact that it does hit all of the vitals.
Just my take on itrepillager2018-05-21T17:18:24ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsEric Clingenpeelhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#202012-10-16T15:42:14Z2012-10-16T15:42:14Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dust Raven wrote:</div><blockquote> Yes, you may sneak attack with a siege weapon. Provided the target is within 30 feet. I'm curious how this is managed with a catapult... :p </blockquote><p>Just get <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/e-g/goggles-sniper-goggles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sniper's Goggles</a>.Dust Raven wrote:Yes, you may sneak attack with a siege weapon. Provided the target is within 30 feet. I'm curious how this is managed with a catapult... :p
Just get Sniper's Goggles.Eric Clingenpeel2012-10-16T15:42:14ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsBrox RedGloveshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#192012-10-16T14:46:21Z2012-10-16T14:46:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Some call me Tim wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">concerro wrote:</div><blockquote> They work with all weapons and were never restrict to light weapons. </blockquote><p>Woot!
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">The Gamemaster wrote:</div><blockquote> You're going to backstab him with a ballista?</blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">Nimble the Thief wrote:</div><blockquote> Uh huh.</blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">The Gamemaster wrote:</div><blockquote> With a f@(#ing siege weapon?</blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">Nimble the Thief wrote:</div><blockquote> Uh huh.</blockquote>I have to go watch The Gamers again now. </blockquote><p>Because dere's no kill liek OVAHKILL!Some call me Tim wrote:concerro wrote: They work with all weapons and were never restrict to light weapons.
Woot!
The Gamemaster wrote:You're going to backstab him with a ballista?
Nimble the Thief wrote:Uh huh.
The Gamemaster wrote:With a f@(#ing siege weapon?
Nimble the Thief wrote:Uh huh.
I have to go watch The Gamers again now. Because dere's no kill liek OVAHKILL!Brox RedGloves2012-10-16T14:46:21ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsMidnight_Angelhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#182012-10-16T14:17:59Z2012-10-16T14:17:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Umbranus wrote:</div><blockquote> That makes me think about 3.0 when they introduced monsters with class levels and there was this shadowdragon/rogue who used to sneak up to people and sneak attack them. </blockquote><p>I must have missed that one.
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I still remember, however, the Black Dragon with Assassin levels in 3.5.</p>
<p>Invisibility + Stealth + True Strike + Power Attack + Sneak Attack + Death Attack = OMFG!!</p>Umbranus wrote:That makes me think about 3.0 when they introduced monsters with class levels and there was this shadowdragon/rogue who used to sneak up to people and sneak attack them.
I must have missed that one.
I still remember, however, the Black Dragon with Assassin levels in 3.5.Invisibility + Stealth + True Strike + Power Attack + Sneak Attack + Death Attack = OMFG!!Midnight_Angel2012-10-16T14:17:59ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsUmbranushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#172012-10-16T14:09:06Z2012-10-16T14:09:06Z<p>That makes me think about 3.0 when they introduced monsters with class levels and there was this shadowdragon/rogue who used to sneak up to people and sneak attack them.</p>That makes me think about 3.0 when they introduced monsters with class levels and there was this shadowdragon/rogue who used to sneak up to people and sneak attack them.Umbranus2012-10-16T14:09:06ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other Weaponsblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#162012-10-16T13:43:04Z2012-10-16T13:43:04Z<p>Nightstalker. Ignore all size penalties to stealth.</p>
<p>Combined with Hellcat Stealth, you can have a Stone Giant that hides right next to you.</p>Nightstalker. Ignore all size penalties to stealth.
Combined with Hellcat Stealth, you can have a Stone Giant that hides right next to you.blackbloodtroll2012-10-16T13:43:04ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsHayato Kenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#152012-10-16T13:36:59Z2012-10-16T13:36:59Z<p>isn´t there a monster feat for better sneaking when you are large?</p>isn´t there a monster feat for better sneaking when you are large?Hayato Ken2012-10-16T13:36:59ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsNicoshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#142012-10-16T13:17:22Z2012-10-16T13:17:22Z<p>A sneak attack with a boulder seems just normla to me, after all yu do not need to targett a vital spot if you can target the entire body :)</p>A sneak attack with a boulder seems just normla to me, after all yu do not need to targett a vital spot if you can target the entire body :)Nicos2012-10-16T13:17:22ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other Weaponsblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#132012-10-16T12:59:04Z2012-10-16T12:59:04Z<p>You can sneak attack with a boulder.</p>
<p>This means Giant Rogues can sneak attack with a thrown boulder within 30ft.</p>You can sneak attack with a boulder.
This means Giant Rogues can sneak attack with a thrown boulder within 30ft.blackbloodtroll2012-10-16T12:59:04ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsDust Ravenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#122012-10-16T12:51:17Z2012-10-16T12:51:17Z<p>Yes, you may sneak attack with a siege weapon. Provided the target is within 30 feet. I'm curious how this is managed with a catapult... :p</p>Yes, you may sneak attack with a siege weapon. Provided the target is within 30 feet. I'm curious how this is managed with a catapult... :pDust Raven2012-10-16T12:51:17ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsSome call me Timhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#112012-10-16T04:29:48Z2012-10-16T04:29:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">concerro wrote:</div><blockquote> They work with all weapons and were never restrict to light weapons. </blockquote><p>Woot!
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">The Gamemaster wrote:</div><blockquote> You're going to backstab him with a ballista?</blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">Nimble the Thief wrote:</div><blockquote> Uh huh.</blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">The Gamemaster wrote:</div><blockquote> With a f@(#ing siege weapon?</blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">Nimble the Thief wrote:</div><blockquote> Uh huh.</blockquote><p>I have to go watch The Gamers again now.concerro wrote:They work with all weapons and were never restrict to light weapons.
Woot!
The Gamemaster wrote:You're going to backstab him with a ballista?
Nimble the Thief wrote:Uh huh.
The Gamemaster wrote:With a f@(#ing siege weapon?
Nimble the Thief wrote:Uh huh.
I have to go watch The Gamers again now.Some call me Tim2012-10-16T04:29:48ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsLoboluskhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#102012-10-16T04:07:39Z2012-10-16T04:07:39Z<p>like a SIR!</p>like a SIR!Lobolusk2012-10-16T04:07:39ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsKarlgamerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#92019-03-26T18:06:16Z2012-10-16T04:05:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Corren28 wrote:</div><blockquote>I stand corrected. :P </blockquote><p>Ya, but you deserve props for actually accepting it like a BOSS.Corren28 wrote:I stand corrected. :P
Ya, but you deserve props for actually accepting it like a BOSS.Karlgamer2012-10-16T04:05:49ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsCorren28https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#82019-03-26T18:06:07Z2012-10-16T04:03:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote> <i>Increased Threat Range</i> Sometimes your threat range is greater than 20. That is, you can score a threat on a lower number. In such cases, a roll of lower than 20 is not an automatic hit. </blockquote><p>See how you guys are? Gonna make me go and read and learns stuff and eat my own words.
<p>I stand corrected. :P</p>Quote:Increased Threat Range Sometimes your threat range is greater than 20. That is, you can score a threat on a lower number. In such cases, a roll of lower than 20 is not an automatic hit.
See how you guys are? Gonna make me go and read and learns stuff and eat my own words. I stand corrected. :PCorren282012-10-16T04:03:23ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsNicoshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#72019-03-26T18:05:52Z2012-10-16T04:02:42Z<p>Increased Threat Range</p>
<p>Sometimes your threat range is greater than 20. That is, you can score a threat on a lower number. In such cases, a roll of lower than 20 is not an automatic hit. Any attack roll that doesn't result in a hit is not a threat.</p>Increased Threat Range
Sometimes your threat range is greater than 20. That is, you can score a threat on a lower number. In such cases, a roll of lower than 20 is not an automatic hit. Any attack roll that doesn't result in a hit is not a threat.Nicos2012-10-16T04:02:42ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsQuandaryhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#62019-03-26T18:05:40Z2012-10-16T04:00:46Z<p>an 18 is not an auto-hit. only a 20 is auto-hit.
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if your critical threat range is larger, you can crit more, but you still need to hit the AC first.</p>an 18 is not an auto-hit. only a 20 is auto-hit.
if your critical threat range is larger, you can crit more, but you still need to hit the AC first.Quandary2012-10-16T04:00:46ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsNicoshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#52019-03-26T18:05:33Z2012-10-16T04:00:02Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Corren28 wrote:</div><blockquote> Even if you can't confirm the crit, an 18 is an automatic hit with a rapier.</blockquote><p>NO.Corren28 wrote:Even if you can't confirm the crit, an 18 is an automatic hit with a rapier.
NO.Nicos2012-10-16T04:00:02ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsArchpaladin Zoushahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#42012-10-16T03:58:45Z2012-10-16T03:58:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">concerro wrote:</div><blockquote> They work with all weapons and were never restrict to light weapons. </blockquote><p>Weird. Why was I thinking they were? •confused•concerro wrote:They work with all weapons and were never restrict to light weapons.
Weird. Why was I thinking they were? *confused*Archpaladin Zousha2012-10-16T03:58:45ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other WeaponsCorren28https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#32012-10-16T03:54:20Z2012-10-16T03:54:20Z<p>You can sneak attack with anything. The stipulation is that you cannot use a lethal weapon to deal non-lethal damage AND get sneak attack damage. E.g., using a dagger to deal subdual with a -4 does NOT net you sneak attack.</p>
<p>Light weapons and rapiers are typically used because they are valid weapons for the weapon finesse feat and result in lower penalties for TWF. Rapiers are especially used for their greater crit range. Even if you can't confirm the crit, an 18 is an automatic hit with a rapier, and that range widens with the proper feats or enhancements.</p>You can sneak attack with anything. The stipulation is that you cannot use a lethal weapon to deal non-lethal damage AND get sneak attack damage. E.g., using a dagger to deal subdual with a -4 does NOT net you sneak attack.
Light weapons and rapiers are typically used because they are valid weapons for the weapon finesse feat and result in lower penalties for TWF. Rapiers are especially used for their greater crit range. Even if you can't confirm the crit, an 18 is an automatic hit with a...Corren282012-10-16T03:54:20ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sneak Attacking With Other Weaponsconcerrohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p1ob?Sneak-Attacking-With-Other-Weapons#22012-10-16T03:48:56Z2012-10-16T03:48:56Z<p>They work with all weapons and were never restrict to light weapons.</p>They work with all weapons and were never restrict to light weapons.concerro2012-10-16T03:48:56Z