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Complete this sentence, My character doesn't carry a ranged weapon because...


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A lot of people are using magic as a substitute. I think your ray wands still count as ranged weapons for the purpose of the OP's question.

He's asking why some character only has a sword. He doesn't want to know you swapped a crossbow for a wand of magic missile.

Sheesh.


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That's what I was thinking.

Ray of Frost is a ranged weapon, not a substitute for one.

I've never played a character that didn't have both a ranged attack and a melee attack except in games where I had my weapons dictated to me.

Seriously. A sling and a club are both free.

Or, you know, a dagger can be used in melee and has a 10 ft range increment for throwing.

Scarab Sages

You can fly? Oh! Goody! Me too! *CRUNCH*

(I'm a Strix two-hander in my table top game)


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because I am a new character and ran out of cash?

(I have never had a character that did not have a ranged weapon of some sort.)


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... because he likes to be murdered by bow cav.


Velcro Zipper wrote:
...ranged weapons killed my parents.

And from that day forth, little jimmy swore he would kill every evil user of ranged weaponry in the kingdom. Nay! The world!

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AM GIANT BARBARIAN... I KEEP BUNCH OF DWARVES FOR PUNTING AT PUNY FOES.

I was punting marmots on Warcraft yesterday... Warcraft has a fondness for punting quests.

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...I can shoot my sword when I'm at full hp.

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Mine actually didn't for awhile (save for a few acid flasks, 'cause splash weaps hit touch AC) because she had a 0 Dex modifier and other characters in the party were much better at ranged attacks than she was. If she couldn't close in to melee she'd just act as target/meat shield for the others.

That said, as we were about to go into a situation where it was quite likely there were going to be enemies at a distance, she picked up a crossbow in our most recent game session (but that was after a year of only having acid flasks as a backup weapon).


... Because I need my non-shield hand free to deflect arrows.

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... He is cannonfodder anyway. No need to spend tons of money on ranged weapons for him. Imagine those weapons finding their way into the hands of the enemy. No, we always send him unarmed and fully armored to draw out those crafty demons. Then we ambush the suckers with our ranged weapons and some fireballs.


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Bruunwald wrote:

A lot of people are using magic as a substitute. I think your ray wands still count as ranged weapons for the purpose of the OP's question.

He's asking why some character only has a sword. He doesn't want to know you swapped a crossbow for a wand of magic missile.

Sheesh.

And again, because I am Muscle Wizard and I always cast FIST!

Always :)


Because i'm an oldschool paladin?


I'm a PC druid with a low Dex score, no proficiency in any good ranged weapons... and can cast produce fire several times per day.


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...because we have a zen archer in the party and I want him to feel useful and unique...


Because I get a two feat tree to get wings.


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... because bows are not composite by default.
... because crossbows take forever to reload and don't deal extra damage based on stats.
... because slings are weak.
... because guns can be banned.
... because thrown weapons don't use Strength for attack rolls, unless you take a feat.
... because the ammunition management is a pain.

I'd carry a ranged weapon, but I'd enhance it ASAP so it doesn't need ammunition, which Ultimate Equipment provides.


...because I'm a special snowflake and I expect you to make everyone realize it.

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I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow in the knee.


I feel like this has become less of a joke thread and more of a 'venting frustration' thread...

...or maybe it's always been one and I'm just silly :)


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...because I'm going to hold my breath until fighters can fly.


Odraude wrote:

I feel like this has become less of a joke thread and more of a 'venting frustration' thread...

...or maybe it's always been one and I'm just silly :)

It was a venting thread when I started it. But trying to keep it light hearted.

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Odraude wrote:
I feel like this has become less of a joke thread and more of a 'venting frustration' thread...

All threads become venting threads eventually.


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Both of you with the same avatar confuse me :p

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Wait until Trinam and the other guy shows up!

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danielc wrote:
because I am a new character and ran out of cash?

Clubs and slings are free.

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...because I have a thousand yard stare.

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Said in a voice like Beavis: "Um... because my jump check is so high it's almost like flying?" To be fair he was making a joke, it was really high, and he was playing a Thri-kreen, so... In actuality, he just plain forgot.


...because I'm so awesome, anything that far away will just keep running while it still can.

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...I'm wearing a red shirt -- I'll never survive this episode anyway.


In Legend of the Seeker, you never saw him walking around with a bow, but he always had one when he needed it. I'm like the Seeker.

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OP wrote:
My PC don't carry no damned ranged weapon because...

... it takes a hundred extra Feats to make a ranged weapon playable and I don't have enough Feats to play the PC I want now ....

Oh yeah, plus, at early levels when an extra ranged weapon may be useful at times, there isn't enough money to spend on one, and at later levels when I have a bit extra cash for a cheap MWK bow or something, well, a simple bow isn't gonna do jack against what we're fighting. So why bother?


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"Because I'm afraid I'll hit one of my party members."

"You know you can't accidentally hit them, even if you roll a 1, right?"

"Yes, but my character has no idea."


because id rather whinge and pout when locked down by difficult terrain, someone up on a balcony, someone flying etc

Everyone needs a ranged attack


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Valantrix1 wrote:
Said in a voice like Beavis: "Um... because my jump check is so high it's almost like flying?" To be fair he was making a joke, it was really high, and he was playing a Thri-kreen, so... In actuality, he just plain forgot.

My monk actually pulled this off against a low-flying wyvern. It was one of those brief "Hey, monks really CAN do something!" moments all monk players get now and then before reality crushes their dreams.

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W E Ray wrote:
OP wrote:
My PC don't carry no damned ranged weapon because...

... it takes a hundred extra Feats to make a ranged weapon playable and I don't have enough Feats to play the PC I want now ....

Oh yeah, plus, at early levels when an extra ranged weapon may be useful at times, there isn't enough money to spend on one, and at later levels when I have a bit extra cash for a cheap MWK bow or something, well, a simple bow isn't gonna do jack against what we're fighting. So why bother?

A bow is playable right out of the box so I'm not sure why you need to take any feats to make it "playable".

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shallowsoul wrote:
A bow is playable right out of the box so I'm not sure why you need to take any feats to make it "playable".

Sure, if you want to miss all your attacked when your allies get into melee with the enemy.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
shallowsoul wrote:
A bow is playable right out of the box so I'm not sure why you need to take any feats to make it "playable".
Sure, if you want to miss all your attacked when your allies get into melee with the enemy.

Not to mention that you actually have to be proficient in its use. Here's some good ones.

...the enemy is flying, invisible, and it's a thunderstorm on top of a clock tower. (this actually happened to us)

...because Fog Cloud works both ways.

...because alchemist's fire is a ranged weapon.

...because my cavalier/mounted fury barbarian/paladin rides a winged horse.

...because a tree sat on our wizard and since he became our new wizard won't let us have anything made of wood. Calls it cannibalism.


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...Because shut up.


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see wrote:
danielc wrote:
because I am a new character and ran out of cash?
Clubs and slings are free.

Well there you go, no excuse then. LOL


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
shallowsoul wrote:
A bow is playable right out of the box so I'm not sure why you need to take any feats to make it "playable".
Sure, if you want to miss all your attacked when your allies get into melee with the enemy.

The whole point of the question is when facing something that you cannot melee, ergo this situation may be assumed not be relevant.

One bow = suckage if you do not have a lot of feats.

One bow + a few magic arrows (cheap) + all the party with a viable missile weapon = barrage of death.

Silver Crusade

TriOmegaZero wrote:
shallowsoul wrote:
A bow is playable right out of the box so I'm not sure why you need to take any feats to make it "playable".
Sure, if you want to miss all your attacked when your allies get into melee with the enemy.

Why would you worry about using a ranged weapon if everyone is on the ground?

Unless everyone else can fly and they are engaged in melee, in the air, with a bunch of flying creatures then you have nothing to worry about.

Silver Crusade

Dabbler wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
shallowsoul wrote:
A bow is playable right out of the box so I'm not sure why you need to take any feats to make it "playable".
Sure, if you want to miss all your attacked when your allies get into melee with the enemy.

The whole point of the question is when facing something that you cannot melee, ergo this situation may be assumed not be relevant.

One bow = suckage if you do not have a lot of feats.

One bow + a few magic arrows (cheap) + all the party with a viable missile weapon = barrage of death.

Thank you.

Ninja'd


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...after I took that arrow to the knee I swore them off. (It had to be said)

...that's what the wizard is here for.

...I forgot to buy more ammunition for it.


...I have [levels in homebrew prc/class ability/reserve feat from 3.5/magic item] that lets me teleport.

...I spend my rounds buffing the others.

...I dropped all my money on AC and can only try to throw the gauntlets that came free with my full plate at people. Or maybe go Captain America with my shield.

...I ride a flying mount

...I have a lot of polymorphing spells.

...I prefer to hold arrows in my hand, then stab people to death with them. I don't get as bloody if I shoot people.

...I'm thinking up something so completely out of the box that the GM has no idea how to deal with, but would technically be able to defeat the opponents I should be shooting at without me using a ranged weapon, even if it requires the GM to come up with something just to figure out what the rules for it would be.

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...because however she would use it at close range, as she just can't help throwing herself in melee. Even if she's a wizard.


shallowsoul wrote:

A bow is playable right out of the box so I'm not sure why you need to take any feats to make it "playable".

I played a 3.5 ranger some years back, all the way from 1st to 13th level. At 1st-level I took Point Blank Shot (I think, it was definitely an archery feat) and Weapon Finesse at 1st-level. The latter feat choice was a mistake. I had to go through two levels before I got Precise Shot, and making melee attacks pretty much never came up. Makes me feel for an elf or half-elf, as they wouldn't even have the option. Even then, I was always taking cover penalties, at least until 11th-level when I got Improved Precise Shot (for free).

Some of these feats require Dexterity (if you're not a ranger and getting them for free, and if you're using the archery style you're going to have a high Dexterity anyway, which is something your typical sword-and-boarder does not have).

Damage was always a problem, although I hear Pathfinder fixes that. I'm not sure how many of those issues are fixed in the core rules though.

There's also issues of portability. If you carry a shield, or a two-handed weapon that doesn't have a scabbard (eg a quarterstaff), how do you carry that and a bow at the same time? (I'm convinced swords are the most popular weapon simply because it's easier to picture you character carrying one, and unsheathing one.)

My 7th-level druid currently has a Dex of 12. (He's often wild shaped, which hurts Dex and prevents weapon use, but that's not particularly relevant for the discussion.) My druid suffers from MAD, since he's wildshaping and not just spellcasting. Boosting his Dex isn't an option without items, and that's not really an option because of a hole in the wild shape rules. His AC is horrible while wildshaped ... but he bought wild armor. That's 16,000 gp plus the cost of the non-metal armor; needless to say, this is the majority of his wealth-by-level. It's a good thing I'm playing Kingmaker, and not getting magic items the old fashioned way. My druid simply doesn't have the cash to buy Dex-boosting items. (Those are also less prioritized than a Wisdom-boosting item anyway.)

I refuse to take a feat that you need an item to meet the pre-req for. (In short, even if my druid finds a Dex-boosting item, he's not going to take Precise Shot.)

I don't even know which feats boost ranged weapon damage, but I doubt the druid has the stats for them. (He has an Int score of 8. See that point about MAD above. I know there's some feat somewhere that lets you add Int to ranged weapon damage.) I do know my druid has filled every feat slot toward things that are useful for druids - Augment Summoning (and it's requirement Spell Focus [Conjuration]), Natural Casting, Wild Speech (a non-core feat, if you spend over 16 hours a day as a bear, you need some way of communicating with the party) and Combat Casting. Feats such as Weapon Focus (claw) Improved Natural Attack fit his concept better than Precise Shot. So does Lightning Reflexes, as it's a serious weakness.

If my druid were to make ranged attacks with a longbow - is he even proficient with that? - he'd have an attack bonus of +6 and deal 1d8 damage. That's a waste of a standard action, especially if there's PCs in melee with the opponent, or are accidentally giving them cover. The druid is better off using Produce Flame - the attack bonus is effectively better (since it hits touch ACs) and does 1d6+5 fire damage, which is an average of 8.5 (4 points above what a longbow would do), although cover/PCs in melee issues still apply. In fact, if the druid bought the most powerful composite bow he could wield (he has Strength 19), he would deal the same average damage as with Produce Fire and still have to target regular rather than touch ACs. If my druid is trading shots with Produce Fire against something that has good ranged attacks, said druid has lost, and really needs to consider wild shaping into something that can fly and then get out of there. (Or summon some bears up there, then watch the archers get ... eaten.)

The only characters I can picture who don't specialize in archery but can afford to spend the several feats required (Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Improved Precise Shot, plus something to boost damage) and will have a high enough attack bonus to hit when their key stat isn't Dexterity are fighters... and even then, the fighter needs to gain enough levels to have enough open feat slots for that. Furthermore, there's some feats the fighter "must" take at certain levels (eg Greater Weapon Specialization) and the fighter hardly has the feats to take those for two different weapons.

In 4e, throwing weapons are popular among strong fighter types, because there's lots of throwing weapons that use Strength rather than Dexterity to hit without needing to spend a feat, and magic throwing weapons automatically return (you don't need to worry about a special property). In Pathfinder, the opportunity costs just seem too high to make those options worthwhile.

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shallowsoul wrote:

A bow is playable right out of the box so I'm not sure why you need to take any feats to make it "playable".

I played a 3.5 ranger some years back, all the way from 1st to 13th level. At 1st-level I took Point Blank Shot (I think, it was definitely an archery feat) and Weapon Finesse at 1st-level. The latter feat choice was a mistake. I had to go through two levels before I got Precise Shot, and making melee attacks pretty much never came up. Makes me feel for an elf or half-elf, as they wouldn't even have the option. Even then, I was always taking cover penalties, at least until 11th-level when I got Improved Precise Shot (for free).

Some of these feats require Dexterity (if you're not a ranger and getting them for free, and if you're using the archery style you're going to have a high Dexterity anyway, which is something your typical sword-and-boarder does not have).

Damage was always a problem, although I hear Pathfinder fixes that. I'm not sure how many of those issues are fixed in the core rules though.

There's also issues of portability. If you carry a shield, or a two-handed weapon that doesn't have a scabbard (eg a quarterstaff), how do you carry that and a bow at the same time? (I'm convinced swords are the most popular weapon simply because it's easier to picture you character carrying one, and unsheathing one.)

My 7th-level druid currently has a Dex of 12. (He's often wild shaped, which hurts Dex and prevents weapon use, but that's not particularly relevant for the discussion.) My druid suffers from MAD, since he's wildshaping and not just spellcasting. Boosting his Dex isn't an option without items, and that's not really an option because of a hole in the wild shape rules. His AC is horrible while wildshaped ... but he bought wild armor. That's 16,000 gp plus the cost of the non-metal armor; needless to say, this is the majority of his wealth-by-level. It's a good thing I'm playing Kingmaker, and not getting magic items the old fashioned way. My...

You do understand that the intent of the thread is dealing with flying creatures when you are mainly melee.

If I am going to be an archer type fighter then I will have a melee as my back up and I will be taking the appropriate feats to better enhance my archery skills.

An archer fighter is one of the most power damage dealing classes out there but that's not what this thread is about.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
shallowsoul wrote:
A bow is playable right out of the box so I'm not sure why you need to take any feats to make it "playable".
Sure, if you want to miss all your attacked when your allies get into melee with the enemy.

Of course ranged weapons are also really useful when its impossible to get into melee range with the enemy.


And you know, not just when the enemy is flying, but what if the enemy is on top of a roof? A high cliff? A Chasm separates you? A magic barrier? a fire? difficult terrain? on top of a wall, or behind some sort of fortification?

Its admittedly more of an issue at low levels when your wizard doesn't have a seemingly unlimited supply of ranged nukes and no one can fly. But rolling a 1d20 to hit an AC of 15 is still better than doing nothing on your turn.

There is a difference between carrying a ranged weapon "just in case" and being able to use it with the skill you can use your primary weapon with.

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