paizo.com Recent Posts in Living under Obama's presidencypaizo.com Recent Posts in Living under Obama's presidency2012-12-16T11:09:40Z2012-12-16T11:09:40ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyRoss Byers (RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15952012-12-15T19:27:25Z2012-12-15T00:57:30Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>I think this thread has run it's course.</span></p>I think this thread has run it's course.Ross Byers (RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32)2012-12-15T00:57:30ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyTheWhiteknifehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15942012-12-15T00:33:37Z2012-12-15T00:33:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote> Perhaps, but I would be more worried about it outside of a combat zone, in a combat zone people know it's dangerous and will grow angry against one side or the other anyway, depending on who they see as resposible for the hostilities, if someone thinks the group A is responsible for the war and are the bad guys, then their spouse being killed by group B will drive that person to either drown in grief, support B to end the war before more collatteral casualties occur, run away, or strike out on their own against both A & B. The chances of the supporting A is unlikely, unless they agreed with on some level to begin with, in which case they would B as the bad guys anyway. </blockquote><p>And what of the people that have no idea why anyone is fighting, only that group B killed their loved ones? Because it seems to me to be whats going on, that most in the tribal areas dont know what a nineleven is.
<p>And its no wonder that we are driving these people to Islamic radicalism. If tomorrow, the "gay menace" (you know the ones that wanna get all uppity and get married and all) bombed the Sears Tower, would interest in the Westboro Baptist Church increase or decrease? Id bet dollars to donuts, it would increase. Just like people are flocking to the radical Muslim sects that say that Americans only are interested in killing Muslims and stealing their resources, after, we, you know, killed them and stole their resources.</p>DarkLightHitomi wrote:Perhaps, but I would be more worried about it outside of a combat zone, in a combat zone people know it's dangerous and will grow angry against one side or the other anyway, depending on who they see as resposible for the hostilities, if someone thinks the group A is responsible for the war and are the bad guys, then their spouse being killed by group B will drive that person to either drown in grief, support B to end the war before more collatteral casualties occur, run...TheWhiteknife2012-12-15T00:33:37ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyThe 8th Dwarf (alias of Bradley Holland)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15932012-12-15T00:27:45Z2012-12-15T00:27:45Z<p>Wow............. scary thread....</p>
<p>I like watching demolition derbies but this one is a little to vicious for me.</p>Wow............. scary thread....
I like watching demolition derbies but this one is a little to vicious for me.The 8th Dwarf (alias of Bradley Holland)2012-12-15T00:27:45ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencythejeffhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15922012-12-15T00:21:37Z2012-12-15T00:21:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Scott Betts wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote><p>@ Scott Betts
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I am not trying to say he will be a second Hitler, only that he is using some similar techniques and we all know what the last guy used those techniques for.</blockquote>LISTEN TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING </blockquote><p>Don't engage. Flag it and move on.Scott Betts wrote:DarkLightHitomi wrote:@ Scott Betts
I am not trying to say he will be a second Hitler, only that he is using some similar techniques and we all know what the last guy used those techniques for.
LISTEN TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING Don't engage. Flag it and move on.thejeff2012-12-15T00:21:37ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyComrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15912012-12-15T00:20:00Z2012-12-15T00:20:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Comrade Anklebiter wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Let's be clear: the auto bailouts were to prevent the economy from falling into a depression,
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</blockquote><p>Do you actually believe that or are you just stating the official reasons?
<p>Letting them die is called free market, and then entrapaneurs would fill in the gap left behind really quicky, so the economic drop would be short-lived and then we would have a few smaller corps to replace them and possibly some larger corps not previously in the industry might expand into it.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>I know I shouldn't, but since it would be rude to ignore you:
<p>Were there unofficial reasons for why they did it?</p>
<p>If your answer is that Obama is trying to crash the economy like Hitler did, I won't be responding, but I will be smiling.</p>DarkLightHitomi wrote:Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Let's be clear: the auto bailouts were to prevent the economy from falling into a depression,
Do you actually believe that or are you just stating the official reasons? Letting them die is called free market, and then entrapaneurs would fill in the gap left behind really quicky, so the economic drop would be short-lived and then we would have a few smaller corps to replace them and possibly some larger corps not previously in the industry...Comrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)2012-12-15T00:20:00ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyScott Bettshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15902012-12-16T11:09:40Z2012-12-15T00:16:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote><p>@ Scott Betts
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I am not trying to say he will be a second Hitler, only that he is using some similar techniques and we all know what the last guy used those techniques for.</blockquote><p>LISTEN TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYINGDarkLightHitomi wrote:@ Scott Betts
I am not trying to say he will be a second Hitler, only that he is using some similar techniques and we all know what the last guy used those techniques for.
LISTEN TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYINGScott Betts2012-12-15T00:16:55ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyComrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15892012-12-15T00:13:45Z2012-12-15T00:13:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Hitdice wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Comrade Anklebiter wrote:</div><blockquote> Much about Comrade Obama supporting big business in favr of our socialist friends.</blockquote>Serious question, I'm not asking behind the mask of Lord Dice or anything.</blockquote><p>So that cigarette turned into [bubble bubble bubble] and I sat down and wrote an even more rambling post than the one I was responding to and then hit the Cancel button.
<p>I'll come back to this later, maybe tomorrow, maybe the day after, but, for now, short answer:</p>
<p>No. Voting is for ninnies.</p>
<p>Vive le Galt!</p>Hitdice wrote:Comrade Anklebiter wrote: Much about Comrade Obama supporting big business in favr of our socialist friends.
Serious question, I'm not asking behind the mask of Lord Dice or anything.So that cigarette turned into [bubble bubble bubble] and I sat down and wrote an even more rambling post than the one I was responding to and then hit the Cancel button. I'll come back to this later, maybe tomorrow, maybe the day after, but, for now, short answer:
No. Voting is for ninnies.
Vive...Comrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)2012-12-15T00:13:45ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyDarkLightHitomihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15882012-12-14T23:53:55Z2012-12-14T23:53:55Z<p>Perhaps, but I would be more worried about it outside of a combat zone, in a combat zone people know it's dangerous and will grow angry against one side or the other anyway, depending on who they see as resposible for the hostilities, if someone thinks the group A is responsible for the war and are the bad guys, then their spouse being killed by group B will drive that person to either drown in grief, support B to end the war before more collatteral casualties occur, run away, or strike out on their own against both A & B. The chances of the supporting A is unlikely, unless they agreed with on some level to begin with, in which case they would B as the bad guys anyway.</p>Perhaps, but I would be more worried about it outside of a combat zone, in a combat zone people know it's dangerous and will grow angry against one side or the other anyway, depending on who they see as resposible for the hostilities, if someone thinks the group A is responsible for the war and are the bad guys, then their spouse being killed by group B will drive that person to either drown in grief, support B to end the war before more collatteral casualties occur, run away, or strike out...DarkLightHitomi2012-12-14T23:53:55ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyNicoshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15872012-12-14T23:44:43Z2012-12-14T23:44:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Nicos wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>I don't like the idea of civilians being hurt, but trying too hard to avoid civilians hurts us and helps our enemies.</p>
<p></blockquote>If the US care more about not hurting civilian you would have much less enemies. </blockquote><p>First I am talking about during a war not before the war starts.
<p>Second, it doesn't really hold true when dealing with people who think you should die because you don't follow their religion.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>I think civilian deaths make terrorist groups more numerous than religion.DarkLightHitomi wrote:Nicos wrote: DarkLightHitomi wrote:I don't like the idea of civilians being hurt, but trying too hard to avoid civilians hurts us and helps our enemies.
If the US care more about not hurting civilian you would have much less enemies. First I am talking about during a war not before the war starts. Second, it doesn't really hold true when dealing with people who think you should die because you don't follow their religion.
I think civilian deaths make terrorist groups...Nicos2012-12-14T23:44:43ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyDarkLightHitomihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15862012-12-14T23:49:53Z2012-12-14T23:37:02Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nicos wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>I don't like the idea of civilians being hurt, but trying too hard to avoid civilians hurts us and helps our enemies.</p>
<p></blockquote>If the US care more about not hurting civilian you would have much less enemies. </blockquote><p>First I am talking about during a war not before the war starts.
<p>Second, it doesn't really hold true when dealing with people who think you should die because you don't follow their religion.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Comrade Anklebiter wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Let's be clear: the auto bailouts were to prevent the economy from falling into a depression,
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</blockquote><p>Do you actually believe that or are you just stating the official reasons?
<p>Letting them die is called free market, and then entrapaneurs would fill in the gap left behind really quicky, so the economic drop would be short-lived and then we would have a few smaller corps to replace them and possibly some larger corps not previously in the industry might expand into it.</p>
<p>@ Scott Betts
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I am not trying to say he will be a second Hitler, only that he is using some similar techniques and we all know what the last guy used those techniques for. </p>
<p>Obama may or may not become a racist freak, but it is still a move that makes for weakening enemies, perhaps he is doing it for an economic war he plans, who knows but I doubt it's for the good of the US.</p>
<p>Either way, dissagreeing with me doesn't make me unreasonable.</p>
<p>If my difficulty in explaining myself offends you, then I apologize, but it has always been a difficulty, and probably will always be.</p>
<p>@Hitdice
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I think both contribute to the problem, not that unions should have anything to with law other then make it easier for the populace to demonstrate (unions are really for increasing employee pay and workplace standards by companies, and companies see employees as neccessary expenses to be reduced when and where possible. Now how can we change that perception? Can't, not without changing to a brand new, never seen before economic system)</p>Nicos wrote:DarkLightHitomi wrote:I don't like the idea of civilians being hurt, but trying too hard to avoid civilians hurts us and helps our enemies.
If the US care more about not hurting civilian you would have much less enemies. First I am talking about during a war not before the war starts. Second, it doesn't really hold true when dealing with people who think you should die because you don't follow their religion.
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:Let's be clear: the auto bailouts were to...DarkLightHitomi2012-12-14T23:37:02ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyComrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15852012-12-14T23:12:44Z2012-12-14T23:12:44Z<p>Hold on a second, Comrade Dice.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/fast-food-worker-strike-chain_n_2211920.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">There you go.</a></p>
<p>Vive le Galt!</p>
<p>[Goes to smoke a cigarette and think.]</p>Hold on a second, Comrade Dice.
There you go.
Vive le Galt!
[Goes to smoke a cigarette and think.]Comrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)2012-12-14T23:12:44ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyHitdicehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15842012-12-14T22:44:19Z2012-12-14T22:44:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Comrade Anklebiter wrote:</div><blockquote> Much about Comrade Obama supporting big business in favr of our socialist friends.</blockquote><p>Serious question, I'm not asking behind the mask of Lord Dice or anything.
<p>Do you think the problem is the individual currently holding the office of President, or that unions have lost all of their power in the last 40 - 60 years? Personally, I think even my ideal candidate would have to come to terms with running the actual government once <b>she</b> was elected to office. Do you personally know of a candidate in the last election who would have done everything to your approval? I'm really asking, cause (4 years out now) if you can recommend someone, like, for real, I'll vote for them. (I reserve the right to change my mind within the next 4 years.)</p>
<p>A lot of this may be sour grapes. I work in the food service industry, and never mind unions, we don't even get minimum wage; we could provide such good service to our customers that they might slide us an extra ten dollars, and that's stealing from the IRS or something.</p>
<p>Just to clarify, if there was a nation-wide food service workers union that guaranteed minimum wage and demanded all tips as dues, I would go on strike this instant.</p>
<p>Edit: the sentence structure got away from me there. My point was, I voted for Obama, but definitely checked the "Maybe it's time to settle" box. Are there any candidates you would willfully endorse?</p>Comrade Anklebiter wrote:Much about Comrade Obama supporting big business in favr of our socialist friends.
Serious question, I'm not asking behind the mask of Lord Dice or anything. Do you think the problem is the individual currently holding the office of President, or that unions have lost all of their power in the last 40 - 60 years? Personally, I think even my ideal candidate would have to come to terms with running the actual government once she was elected to office. Do you personally...Hitdice2012-12-14T22:44:19ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyComrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15832012-12-14T21:53:22Z2012-12-14T21:53:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Irontruth wrote:</div><blockquote> Something to consider, his bailout of the auto companies probably helped keep unions alive and kicking that much longer. It didn't strengthen them in any way at all, but if the big three had folded, their unions and all of the suppliers of parts that have unions would have disappeared then and there. Though Michigan is doing whatever it can to try and finish them off now. I doubt McCain would have tried to allow them to survive (the unions) and Romney would have dismantled the companies far enough to void the union contracts and then given them bailout money. </blockquote><p>Let's be clear: the auto bailouts were to prevent the economy from falling into a depression, not to preserve the unions. And they did that by making the workers pay for the gross mismanagement of the Big Three. Which seems to be a leitmotif running throughout the whole Obama administration, but let's leave that aside for now.
<p>The contract concessions demanded by the Bush and Obama administrations have essentially hollowed out what having a UAW job used to mean. Cost-of-living escalator? Gone. Starting pay cut in half. Retiree health benefits slashed to the bone. Job security measures ripped to shreds. "We must close the gap with Toyota, and we're going to do it by making the workers pay." </p>
<p>A couple of random links:</p>
<p><a href="http://labornotes.org/2009/02/uaw-agrees-givebacks-ford" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">2009 Ford givebacks</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/19/us_auto_giants_workers_face_uncertain" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Gregg Shotwell, UAW retiree, on Democracy Now</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/02/the-deal-that-saved-detroit-and-banned-strikes/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The Deal That Saved Detroit and Banned Strikes</a></p>
<p>The UAW tops are just as much to blame as Obama, don't get me wrong. At any time over the past couple of decades they could have tried to do what a union is supposed to and organize the unorganized, but, instead, they sucked up to Iacocca and all the other auto plutocrats so that, by 2008, they were ready, willing and eager to slash contracts so that there is hardly any difference between working a union or non-union gig.</p>
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<p>As for Obama and Johnson, yeah, probably. Of course, back in the sixties, leftie-liberal types were running around yelling "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" But he did give us the Great Society, after the sixties ghetto riots. Maybe instead of having rallies in front of our Congressman's offices in defense of Medicare and Social Security, we should riot? Sounds good to me.</p>Irontruth wrote:Something to consider, his bailout of the auto companies probably helped keep unions alive and kicking that much longer. It didn't strengthen them in any way at all, but if the big three had folded, their unions and all of the suppliers of parts that have unions would have disappeared then and there. Though Michigan is doing whatever it can to try and finish them off now. I doubt McCain would have tried to allow them to survive (the unions) and Romney would have dismantled the...Comrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)2012-12-14T21:53:22ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyScott Bettshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15822012-12-14T19:08:13Z2012-12-14T19:08:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Scott Betts wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote> Yeah, because repeating Hitler's crashing of the economy (to weaken his enemies) is exactly what we need a leader to do right now.</blockquote><p>You're done, here. You can come back and talk to us when you've figured out a way to deliver your particular brand of rhetoric without injecting not-so-subtle references to how you believe Obama is literally Hitler.
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</blockquote><p>He was done after his 3rd post on this thread. But it was deleted so not everyone realized this. That's the down side to deleted controversial/offensive posts, the person who made them can keep masquerading as reasonable.
<p></blockquote><p>Now I really wish I had seen it.thejeff wrote:Scott Betts wrote: DarkLightHitomi wrote: Yeah, because repeating Hitler's crashing of the economy (to weaken his enemies) is exactly what we need a leader to do right now.
You're done, here. You can come back and talk to us when you've figured out a way to deliver your particular brand of rhetoric without injecting not-so-subtle references to how you believe Obama is literally Hitler.
He was done after his 3rd post on this thread. But it was deleted so not everyone realized...Scott Betts2012-12-14T19:08:13ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencythejeffhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15812012-12-14T19:02:31Z2012-12-14T19:02:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Scott Betts wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote> Yeah, because repeating Hitler's crashing of the economy (to weaken his enemies) is exactly what we need a leader to do right now.</blockquote><p>You're done, here. You can come back and talk to us when you've figured out a way to deliver your particular brand of rhetoric without injecting not-so-subtle references to how you believe Obama is literally Hitler.
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</blockquote><p>He was done after his 3rd post on this thread. But it was deleted so not everyone realized this. That's the down side to deleted controversial/offensive posts, the person who made them can keep masquerading as reasonable.Scott Betts wrote:DarkLightHitomi wrote: Yeah, because repeating Hitler's crashing of the economy (to weaken his enemies) is exactly what we need a leader to do right now.
You're done, here. You can come back and talk to us when you've figured out a way to deliver your particular brand of rhetoric without injecting not-so-subtle references to how you believe Obama is literally Hitler.
He was done after his 3rd post on this thread. But it was deleted so not everyone realized this. That's the...thejeff2012-12-14T19:02:31ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyFreehold DMhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15802012-12-14T18:50:01Z2012-12-14T18:50:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Irontruth wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>I like Obama. He does not conform to my ideals though. The republicans do scare the s%%• out of me. </blockquote><p>I essentially feel the same way.Irontruth wrote:I like Obama. He does not conform to my ideals though. The republicans do scare the s%%* out of me.
I essentially feel the same way.Freehold DM2012-12-14T18:50:01ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyScott Bettshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15792012-12-14T18:47:40Z2012-12-14T18:47:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote> Yeah, because repeating Hitler's crashing of the economy (to weaken his enemies) is exactly what we need a leader to do right now.</blockquote><p>You're done, here. You can come back and talk to us when you've figured out a way to deliver your particular brand of rhetoric without injecting not-so-subtle references to how you believe Obama is literally Hitler.
<p>Conservative ideology is already a national laughing stock. You're just making the situation worse.</p>
<p>I just watched the aftermath of dozens of school kids being murdered due, in part, to a gun-culture mentality buoyed and worshiped by the conservative movement. My tolerance for right-wing ideology is at an all-time low, right now.</p>DarkLightHitomi wrote:Yeah, because repeating Hitler's crashing of the economy (to weaken his enemies) is exactly what we need a leader to do right now.
You're done, here. You can come back and talk to us when you've figured out a way to deliver your particular brand of rhetoric without injecting not-so-subtle references to how you believe Obama is literally Hitler. Conservative ideology is already a national laughing stock. You're just making the situation worse.
I just watched the...Scott Betts2012-12-14T18:47:40ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyNicoshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15782012-12-14T18:23:46Z2012-12-14T18:23:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DarkLightHitomi wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<p>I don't like the idea of civilians being hurt, but trying too hard to avoid civilians hurts us and helps our enemies.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>If the US care more about not hurting civilian you would have much less enemies.DarkLightHitomi wrote:I don't like the idea of civilians being hurt, but trying too hard to avoid civilians hurts us and helps our enemies.
If the US care more about not hurting civilian you would have much less enemies.Nicos2012-12-14T18:23:46ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyIrontruthhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15772012-12-14T18:11:31Z2012-12-14T18:11:31Z<p>Yeah, there's a lot I'm not happy with about Obama. From the left though, I think he's probably the most accessible president since LBJ. Seriously, like Carter gets bashed from the right a bit, but go watch the older PBS duocumentary about him if your memory is vague, his policies and actions are strikingly similar to a 'compassionate conservative' of today.</p>
<p>For example, Guantanamo I think he should have still closed, but I understand how damning it was politically and that using his capitol that early on that would have stalled a lot of efforts. I think on the campaign trail he did a little bit of what Romney did this time, promising to do too much on day one and people decided to remember one of those things closest to their ideals and hold him extremely accountable for it.</p>
<p>Something to consider, his bailout of the auto companies probably helped keep unions alive and kicking that much longer. It didn't strengthen them in any way at all, but if the big three had folded, their unions and all of the suppliers of parts that have unions would have disappeared then and there. Though Michigan is doing whatever it can to try and finish them off now. I doubt McCain would have tried to allow them to survive (the unions) and Romney would have dismantled the companies far enough to void the union contracts and then given them bailout money.</p>
<p>I like Obama. He does not conform to my ideals though. The republicans do scare the shit out of me.</p>Yeah, there's a lot I'm not happy with about Obama. From the left though, I think he's probably the most accessible president since LBJ. Seriously, like Carter gets bashed from the right a bit, but go watch the older PBS duocumentary about him if your memory is vague, his policies and actions are strikingly similar to a 'compassionate conservative' of today.
For example, Guantanamo I think he should have still closed, but I understand how damning it was politically and that using his capitol...Irontruth2012-12-14T18:11:31ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyComrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15762012-12-15T07:25:51Z2012-12-14T15:47:09Z<p>Well, I know Comrade HD is very often impolite, but he's got a point: restoring Clintonian level capital gains tax rates can only be considered "liberalism" in the US.</p>
<p>I can't pretend that New Hampshire or Massachusetts is anything at all like the rest of the country, but in my experience peddling socialist newspapers in the run-up to the election (haven't done much since Xmastime hit UPS), lefties and liberals that supported Obama did so because they were scared shiznitless of the Republicans. Which, you know, fair enough. But not very many of the lefties and liberals that I spoke with were actually <i>happy</i> with Obama on a gamut of issues ranging from defense of collective bargaining (where was he in Wisconsin? Hanging out with plutocrats!) to foreign policy (dead babies!) to health care (single-payer now! and what's up with this 2018 tax on my employer-paid Cadillac plan?!?).</p>
<p>Now, I will grant that there is a pretty effective self-selecting mechanism involved in that if you <i>are</i> happy with Obama, you probably don't spend much time chatting with the longhair on the streetcorner peddling socialist newspapers. And I realize that I am even more insignificant than Comrade HD.</p>
<p>But we did win <a href="http://www.socialistalternative.org/news/article20.php?id=1976" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">29% of the vote</a> in Washington state running against a bigwig Dem. Yay us.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>Well, I know Comrade HD is very often impolite, but he's got a point: restoring Clintonian level capital gains tax rates can only be considered "liberalism" in the US.
I can't pretend that New Hampshire or Massachusetts is anything at all like the rest of the country, but in my experience peddling socialist newspapers in the run-up to the election (haven't done much since Xmastime hit UPS), lefties and liberals that supported Obama did so because they were scared shiznitless of the...Comrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)2012-12-14T15:47:09ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyFreehold DMhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15752012-12-14T14:44:49Z2012-12-14T14:44:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">houstonderek wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Irontruth wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">houstonderek wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I don't even understand why anyone is bothering here. The right wingers don't even realize that there ARE people on the left who think Obama is a P.O.S., and the "lefties" here would be crying bloody murder if Bush were still in office and this crap was still going on.</p>
<p>This thread is a prefect example of why American "liberalism" is a joke. </blockquote>Your complaining is one dimensional and boring. </blockquote>As is some people's mindless support of the douchebag, but, you know, whatever. </blockquote><p>in politics as much as anything, you get back what you put out. mindless criticism seeks out mindless support,etc.houstonderek wrote:Irontruth wrote: houstonderek wrote:I don't even understand why anyone is bothering here. The right wingers don't even realize that there ARE people on the left who think Obama is a P.O.S., and the "lefties" here would be crying bloody murder if Bush were still in office and this crap was still going on.
This thread is a prefect example of why American "liberalism" is a joke.
Your complaining is one dimensional and boring. As is some people's mindless support of the...Freehold DM2012-12-14T14:44:49ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyDarkLightHitomihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15742012-12-15T00:55:03Z2012-12-14T12:44:11Z<p>Yeah, because repeating Hitler's crashing of the economy (to weaken his enemies) is exactly what we need a leader to do right now.</p>
<p>/sarcasm</p>
<p>I haven't kept up with every little thing he does, I got disgusted rather quickly, but the only thing he did that I agree with is nationalizing health records, (which admittidly has several pitfalls and bad points, but is a rare case of the good outweighing the bad).</p>Yeah, because repeating Hitler's crashing of the economy (to weaken his enemies) is exactly what we need a leader to do right now.
/sarcasm
I haven't kept up with every little thing he does, I got disgusted rather quickly, but the only thing he did that I agree with is nationalizing health records, (which admittidly has several pitfalls and bad points, but is a rare case of the good outweighing the bad).DarkLightHitomi2012-12-14T12:44:11ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyScott Bettshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15732012-12-14T07:11:46Z2012-12-14T07:11:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">houstonderek wrote:</div><blockquote> and the "lefties" here</blockquote><p><i><b>This</i></b> is the joke: The idea that your no-true-Scotsman "lefty" classification holds any water whatsoever. It refuses to acknowledge the reality that there are plenty of people who hold to ideas that are, in the American sphere of political thought, fairly liberal and left-leaning, and also support President Obama.
<p>You can call us fake liberals all you want; it really doesn't matter. Your arbitrary (it either shifts constantly, or is solidly defined by whatever Obama isn't; take your pick!) definition of what is and isn't a liberal is nonsense. You're part of a fairly insignificant minority that holds left-leaning views and is also unable to appreciate that the reality of the United States' political climate demands a leader like Obama. Until you are capable of understanding that, your one-dimensional political jabs mean very little.</p>
<p>You'd just as soon stone practicality as conservatives.</p>houstonderek wrote:and the "lefties" here
This is the joke: The idea that your no-true-Scotsman "lefty" classification holds any water whatsoever. It refuses to acknowledge the reality that there are plenty of people who hold to ideas that are, in the American sphere of political thought, fairly liberal and left-leaning, and also support President Obama. You can call us fake liberals all you want; it really doesn't matter. Your arbitrary (it either shifts constantly, or is solidly defined by...Scott Betts2012-12-14T07:11:46ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyIrontruthhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15722012-12-14T05:29:30Z2012-12-14T05:29:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">houstonderek wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Irontruth wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">houstonderek wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I don't even understand why anyone is bothering here. The right wingers don't even realize that there ARE people on the left who think Obama is a P.O.S., and the "lefties" here would be crying bloody murder if Bush were still in office and this crap was still going on.</p>
<p>This thread is a prefect example of why American "liberalism" is a joke. </blockquote>Your complaining is one dimensional and boring. </blockquote>As is some people's mindless support of the douchebag, but, you know, whatever. </blockquote><p>Since you replied to me, I assume you're talking about me. If not, feel free to specify who you are talking about.
<p>Please point out where I've expressed mindless support of Obama.</p>houstonderek wrote:Irontruth wrote: houstonderek wrote:I don't even understand why anyone is bothering here. The right wingers don't even realize that there ARE people on the left who think Obama is a P.O.S., and the "lefties" here would be crying bloody murder if Bush were still in office and this crap was still going on.
This thread is a prefect example of why American "liberalism" is a joke.
Your complaining is one dimensional and boring. As is some people's mindless support of the...Irontruth2012-12-14T05:29:30ZRe: Forums: Off-Topic Discussions: Living under Obama's presidencyComrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p10o&page=32?Living-under-Obamas-presidency#15712012-12-14T05:20:53Z2012-12-14T05:20:53Z<p>Woops. It even says "was."</p>Woops. It even says "was."Comrade Anklebiter (alias of Doodlebug Anklebiter)2012-12-14T05:20:53Z