[Razor Coast] If I could get Razor Coast, what would YOU say...


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Louis Agresta wrote:

I love undead cannibal pygmies.

And I love that Adam Daigle helped me bring them to life.

Thanks, Lou! It feels like it was ages ago that I did those little guys.


It kinda was...


A and D.

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Kthulhu wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:


The two main villains are a cast out Shark God (Dajobas - Devourer of Worlds) and Harthagoa the Krakenfiend - unholy spawn of Demogorgon and a She-Kraken.

I would wager than any actual release would have to change the identity of the daddy.

Then again, if all you say is that they are the spawn of Demogorgon, maybe not. After all, the name itself is NOT WotC's IP, only the imagery of Demogorgon as having two mandril heads sprouting from twin snake-like necks, with arms ending in long tentacles, etc.

If you just say "Demogorgon" and let the GM fill in those blanks, it would still be perfectly acceptable.

Exactly.

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Justin Sluder wrote:
With a Kickstarter, how would we who haven't requested our preorder money back be handled?

Hey Justin, I'm sorry to say I cannot answer that at this time.

However, I can commit to you that I will not be involved in ANY solution to the publishing of Razor Coast that does not involve folks who pre-ordered (and didn't request a refund) getting a copy.

I'm pretty confident Nick feels exactly the same.

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Adam Daigle wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:

I love undead cannibal pygmies.

And I love that Adam Daigle helped me bring them to life.

Thanks, Lou! It feels like it was ages ago that I did those little guys.

I was so distraught that Nick failed to include them -- bad Logue! -- and so delighted when you took my concepts, applied the Daigle magic and hard work, and turned out something so perfect.

Perfect undead cannibal pygmies. And their self-mutilating totems. And cookpots. And the shrunken heads. And septum fetishes. Most of all the septum fetishes.

*sniff* I think I love you, Adam.


Kthulhu wrote:
Alan_Beven wrote:
I want it! I want it in PF rules, and I want it converted to be set in Golarion. That is all :-)
I wouldn't hold your breath on the Golarion bit. :P

Well this is a wish list :-)


A and D. Period.

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Louis Agresta wrote:
Justin Sluder wrote:
With a Kickstarter, how would we who haven't requested our preorder money back be handled?

Hey Justin, I'm sorry to say I cannot answer that at this time.

However, I can commit to you that I will not be involved in ANY solution to the publishing of Razor Coast that does not involve folks who pre-ordered (and didn't request a refund) getting a copy.

I'm pretty confident Nick feels exactly the same.

This is what concerns me as one of the people who preordered and never asked for a refund, hoping that it might see the light of day eventually.

I wouldn't mind a Kickstarter and I'd most likely throw more money at the project than I have already with the preorder (depending on what the Kickstarter offers, of course), but I'd be a bit miffed if my preorder didn't factor in somehow.

I'll wait and see what happens, but so far my gut feeling is that I'm in if a Kickstarter does kick off.

Oh, and to answer the original question, I'd go with E and D in that order.

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Just E (that can be handled separately and at a later date)


Woot, I'm looking forward to this possible, maybe, kinda, thingie!


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As a die-hard, no refunds pre-order guy:
In order of importance: E, A, D.

Editing would be of tantamount importance to me - if you do it, please do it right!


(F) I know next to nothing about Razor Coast. "Pirates" is about all I know--and I like pirates.

(D) I actually kinda like the black-and-white look.

Definitely not (B). I hate typos.

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As another die-hard, no refunds pre-order guy:
A and D

sings to himself ..relight my fire, Razor Coast is my only desire...

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I can do without anything except editing...

'Course I am a prof. editor (for LPJ) and typos and inconsistencies bug me like a whining mosquito. It's hard to focus on the story and rules when I notice them.

But I'm sure Logue writes pretty well. So it's probably no biggie. Need help?

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Louis Agresta wrote:

Hey all,

If I could get Razor Coast out (that's still a BIG if - no promises), what would you say is ok for me to leave out?

I'm assuming if its even possible that not everything can fit. So would it be:

A. Less art, if that's what it takes.
Just get me my book!

B. Lou, pass on your last edit. I'll deal with some typos.
Just get me my book!

C. If you have to, skimp on a map or two. I can draw my own.
Just get me my book, already!

D. I don't need my art in color. B&W is just fine.

E. Don't bother updating the Indulgences, creating a player's guide, etc. etc. Just get me my @#$%&# book!

F. Razor Coast? What's that?

G. At this point, Lou, stick Razor Coast where the sun don't shine.

What do you think?

A, C, D, E.

Happy to have kept my preorder standing.


A, D, E. But if it can be gotten out with the extras definitely do it!

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Tzzarg wrote:
Although the delays with this have left a bad taste in folks mouth, I'd love to see an expansion scenario as a stretch goal. I was a patron of Blood of the Gorgon and have never had a problem with Nick's writing. RC is pretty large on its own, but it would be nice to see a sequel or prequel scenario if the Kickstarter does well enough.

High five from another BotG patron.

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Say what you want but I'll take a couple of typos if it keeps the Pele artwork in.

Hey, it was a cool piece!


Louis Agresta wrote:
Adam Daigle wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:

I love undead cannibal pygmies.

And I love that Adam Daigle helped me bring them to life.

Thanks, Lou! It feels like it was ages ago that I did those little guys.

I was so distraught that Nick failed to include them -- bad Logue! -- and so delighted when you took my concepts, applied the Daigle magic and hard work, and turned out something so perfect.

Perfect undead cannibal pygmies. And their self-mutilating totems. And cookpots. And the shrunken heads. And septum fetishes. Most of all the septum fetishes.

*sniff* I think I love you, Adam.

I think the only way you could make undead cannibal pygmies any creepier would be if they were undead cannibal halflings.

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Endzeitgeist wrote:

As a die-hard, no refunds pre-order guy:

In order of importance: E, A, D.

Editing would be of tantamount importance to me - if you do it, please do it right!

I'm a pre-order/no refunds guy too, and I echo Endz's comment.


Louis Agresta wrote:


A. Less art, if that's what it takes.

C. If you have to, skimp on a map or two. I can draw my own.

E. Don't bother updating the Indulgences, creating a player's guide, etc.

A, C, E. Good luck!

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Mikaze wrote:
Hey, it was a cool piece!

I respectfully disagree.

It was a hot piece.

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Kajehase wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:
Adam Daigle wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:

I love undead cannibal pygmies.

And I love that Adam Daigle helped me bring them to life.

Thanks, Lou! It feels like it was ages ago that I did those little guys.

I was so distraught that Nick failed to include them -- bad Logue! -- and so delighted when you took my concepts, applied the Daigle magic and hard work, and turned out something so perfect.

Perfect undead cannibal pygmies. And their self-mutilating totems. And cookpots. And the shrunken heads. And septum fetishes. Most of all the septum fetishes.

*sniff* I think I love you, Adam.

I think the only way you could make undead cannibal pygmies any creepier would be if they were undead cannibal halflings.

Oh yeah?

Spoiler:
How about if they can sacrifice themselves to combine into one semi-sentient oozing Totem creature to protect their villages?

How's that for creepier?


I had no prior involvement and only minimal knowledge of Razor Coast, but THIS:

Louis Agresta wrote:
undead cannibal pygmies. And their self-mutilating totems. And cookpots. And the shrunken heads. And septum fetishes.

... I may not be able to resist. Only ninjas in the cookpot could make this better.

-TimD


As an original preorder from Sinister Adventures guy, I would be fine having a PDF of whatever is available right now in any condition!

I guess I would say that my choice is something not listed. I'd prefer to have it play tested thoroughly and then edited on more.

I'm so glad RC is close to living again!!

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B, C, E, though i'll accept A and D too if you really can't do otherwise.


Kajehase wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:
Adam Daigle wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:

I love undead cannibal pygmies.

And I love that Adam Daigle helped me bring them to life.

Thanks, Lou! It feels like it was ages ago that I did those little guys.

I was so distraught that Nick failed to include them -- bad Logue! -- and so delighted when you took my concepts, applied the Daigle magic and hard work, and turned out something so perfect.

Perfect undead cannibal pygmies. And their self-mutilating totems. And cookpots. And the shrunken heads. And septum fetishes. Most of all the septum fetishes.

*sniff* I think I love you, Adam.

I think the only way you could make undead cannibal pygmies any creepier would be if they were undead cannibal halflings.

*waits for Turin to pop in*


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A,D

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D, with a side of E and A

I still have the draft from Nick (with your great assistance) almost 3 years ago, so I'd most like something with any corrections and maps and some art (b/w, if that's what is necessary), preferably a print copy. If the Indulgences get updated, great, but it's down the list compared to the other items I listed IMO.


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I had never heard of this until a thread here piqued my curiosity. Needless to say, I never preordered, but I would definitely be in for a kickstarter. Don't know how much I can put in with the holidays coming soon, but I would definitely be in for at least a PDF, probably a hard copy.

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F. and google has failed to give me any real info.

Hey Lou, will there be any orange suited NPCs in this book?

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They keep getting struck down. :(

Maybe the adventurers will find the corpse of a man who once wore an orange tuxedo, but not until they deal with undead pygmie cannibals wearing orange top hats, another with the shoes, etc.

Probably get struck down. I tell you, those authors are soooo serious about their "tour de force". Geesh. :)


A, C, D, and E

Good luck on making this a long-awaited reality!

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Thanks, Readerbreeder, for the well wishes. The answers to my poll are giving me solid, positive direction. So thanks to everyone for responding.

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At this point, I'd rather wait another 5 years and have it done right.


What do the original subscribers who haven't asked for a refund get?

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get on with it!!!

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@Coltaine - well, I can say this. I believe RC was originally a "130+ page" mega adventure. I think it's safe to say that if it is published it'd wind up at least 2x, possibly 3x that size. Other than that I can't speak to it at this time.


Louis Agresta wrote:

Hey Callous Jack,

I'll tackle your questions one at a time:

1. Indulgences are short support pieces that came out for Razor Coast in the 3.5 system. They included player-centric pieces -- one titled "The Art of the Duel" -- was very popular. Also pieces on the Shark God Dajobas, Eater of Worlds, short adventures by Richard Pett, Greg Vaughan and others, an article on Underwater Adventuring by Wolfgang Baur...etc., etc. There were 8 all told, averaging 5-7 pages each -- about the length of a SGG piece. Originally sold as PDF only. Top notch art.

Check out the indulgences here


I have no idea which I would chose (a non-diehard pre-orderer) but I would leap at the chance to finally get it!

Maybe the extras (E) and having them available later. Second would be another edit if 2 of you have already gone through it, heck give drafts to the pre-orderer diehards most fans are so happy to help on the editing and game math!


Go for the grand slam. Add content and make the biggest and best book possible. It's time to break the curse of Razor Coast.


F Sorta know the story, but not what the actual book was going to be about. Can I hear the pitch?

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As someone who did not preorder and skipped 3.5 I would like to see a full version of this with as many extras and bonuses as possible via Kickstarter.

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Speaking as a pre-order type and all the rest, I'd say I'd rather have it gorgeous than bare minimum. Black & white would not worry me that much though.

Glad this thread made it into the ten most recent threads just as I logged in!

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Brambleman wrote:
F Sorta know the story, but not what the actual book was going to be about. Can I hear the pitch?

A mega-adventure/sandbox location for character level 5+ (I think) lots of locations with things going on, lots of strange connections and interesting hooks. How it plays out just depends on which threads your players pick up and where they choose to go.

Based on a coastal location: pirates+hawaiian-style tribes (Tulita)+terrible things in the deep+regular folk.

Two gods so far: Dajobas, Devourer of Worlds (the kind of god who turns his followers into weresharks with sharks teeth jutting out of their flesh); and Pele, NSFW Fire Goddess.

Check out the Indulgences (linked in this thread somewhere) for more of a taste.


Very excited to see RC slouching towards release. My thoughts -

1. Faster is better.
2. Art is mandatory for NPCs and monsters, it helps PCs engage with them. Black & white is OK, though. Art for scenery and "battle scenes" and whatnot isn't needed. As a DM I judge art by "am I going to show this to PCs again and again or not?"
3. Definitely probably should get a re-look in light of Skull & Shackles having come out since then. There may be accidental duplication/inconsistency now that Paizo's treated relevant subjects.

I don't know you'll have to skimp on art/maps if you Kickstarter it, I bet it'll make plenty of art money. It's probably more time on text spent vs release date.

I wouldn't worry about the Indulgences; in fact I'd release them just in their current state one by one for free as a promo lead-up to the RC release. (I paid for them myself, I don't mind them getting released for free 5 yrs later)


Redapple6 wrote:
Go for the grand slam. Add content and make the biggest and best book possible. It's time to break the curse of Razor Coast.

+1.


With the way this project turned into a real slog for all involved,i would love to see it go out on a high note with no regrets.

Scarab Sages

A,D.
I'm coming late to the party, but if you Kickstarter it, I'm in!

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