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I really liked this week's episode. Much better than the last few.

What was different? No Rene.

It isn't the actor, I like him just fine. But the character annoys me to no end.


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At this point the entire B-team annoys me. I've been holding out for Mr. T but hes officially their now too.


Both Curtis and Dinah were tolerable this week. All because of the absence of the troublemaker.


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I prefer the term traitor.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
I prefer the term traitor.

While I'm no fan of 'Wild Dog' and would love for him to go away, calling him a traitor for behaving pretty much exactly like Oliver does when someone threatens someone he loves like his sister, or his current girlfriend, or his annoying son, seems over the top.


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Set wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
I prefer the term traitor.

While I'm no fan of 'Wild Dog' and would love for him to go away, calling him a traitor for behaving pretty much exactly like Oliver does when someone threatens someone he loves like his sister, or his current girlfriend, or his annoying son, seems over the top.

Hmm I don't know see I feel like his action ended up putting him and his daughter in far worse danger and still continues to do so.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Best part of this season. Rene getting kicked in the chest so hard he bounces off a tree.

Yes that was such a good moment. Too bad he lived through it.


All I know is I'm guessing Thea is going to have to decide if she wants the position as the Demon's Head or not.


If Thea wants to be the new Ras, she needs to train hard, and soon. She's been out of the game for a while, and wouldn't be that hard to challenge for the position.

She gets no points for being Malcolm's daughter, any more than Nyssa did for being her father's daughter -- what apparently matters to the League is the former Ras's designated heir. Did Malcolm pick Thea to succeed him? Does that sound like a good way to protect his daughter? Dunno, maybe to him it would. But it's easier to see him wanting her to join the League while he was Ras, in order to protect her.

All that said, Thea as the new head of the League would be interesting, except in that it probably just stuffs that character into the generic LoA role of "mercenary pretending to be something more." The Arrowverse LoA is boring, even if one or two of its members are not, and every unnamed member seems to be a mook-in-training rather than one of the most highly skilled assassins in the world.


Damon,

That may be but remember these writer guys are PRETTY inconsistent about who runs LoA. I will agree they need better Assassins.

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GreenDragon1133 wrote:

I really liked this week's episode. Much better than the last few.

What was different? No Rene.

It isn't the actor, I like him just fine. But the character annoys me to no end.

Agreed. Though honestly the episode before last may have been the nadir point of virtually EVERYONE on the show outside of Felicity acting like completely d##+~eads. I've forgiven a lot of this show's wangsty middle school dramatics over the years but that whole ep was awful.

Thankfully last week got back on track. Bringing the LoA back... eh, don't love them, don't hate them. Nyssa is usually entertaining. At least it promises a shift in focus from the dregs of the last couple of weeks.


So this week ARGUS is inside Star City. But when the city was sealed off they weren't.

And how dare Oliver respond to a dangerous person with an axe by putting him down. Clearly Oliver was completely and solely at fault in that situation.

I would ask why both of them couldn't be Green Arrow? But I guess that wasn't the problem.

And why didn't the Mayor's office issue a statement regarding corrupt officials being dismissed? Not the mayor himself, just his office.


GreenDragon1133 wrote:

So this week ARGUS is inside Star City. But when the city was sealed off they weren't.

And how dare Oliver respond to a dangerous person with an axe by putting him down. Clearly Oliver was completely and solely at fault in that situation.

I would ask why both of them couldn't be Green Arrow? But I guess that wasn't the problem.

And why didn't the Mayor's office issue a statement regarding corrupt officials being dismissed? Not the mayor himself, just his office.

Another thought. Star City is a part of the United States. Which means that Federal Agent that has brought charges against the mayor - or a bunch of her peers - could be requested to come in and clean house on the crooked SCPD and DA's office. If Dinah can spot the crooked cops, so could a Fed.

Since outside of one attempt by ARGUS, the Feds did nothing to help Star City deal with a terrorist attack - not even providing relief aid after the fact to rebuild all those bridges, etc. or pay for essential services - they kinda owe Star City.


Now I'm just a plain, simple, country viewer, and not some high-priced legal expert. But if a Federal Agent brings the charges, usually they are Federal charges, and go through a Federal court. Not the local court or DA.

The way this played out, makes sense only if the Fed was in Diaz' pocket as well.


In addition to the Federal/local divide (or lack of one, in this case), I'm not sure the writers understand impeachment, at least if it works the same way as the process for impeaching the President.

Impeachment and removal from office are not the same. You have a vote for impeachment, there is a trial, and then a vote to remove from office or not. The kind of skipped right over the trial part and went right to removing Ollie from office.

I just keep telling myself that it's a TV show, but if the writers are trying to propose a world that works like ours except for the mystical elements they introduce, it looks like they need to do a bit more research.


Anyone notice a reused location? Apparently, after the Harpers moved out following the Undertaking, Jesse moved in.

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GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Anyone notice a reused location? Apparently, after the Harpers moved out following the Undertaking, Jesse moved in.

I've noticed reused locations from Arrow and Flash before so not surprising.

CCJitters on flash was used as another dining place on arrow.


The alley behind SCPD was used in the flashback on Black Lightning. I was just surprised about seeing Roy's old house.

The ceiling at Hogan's Alley Bar looked familiar also.

So regarding the plot. These are the real powers in crime in the country? People who can be directly tied to crimes? And seat at the table or no, Diaz should be sleeping with the fishes the first time he turns his back. If these people were mob bosses in star City, they would have to kill him to maintain their cred at his walking in and blasting their lobby. And these are supposed to be the Overbosses of North America.

Which is even odder. Four Quadrants, suggests regional. Star City is a Pacific Coast city. Bludhaven is just down the coast from Gotham City on the Atlantic. So Diaz took our the East or Northeast Boss, and his territory is in the West or Northwest.

And if the Bludhaven boss wasn't going to talk about him, how did the other boss (and the two extras across the table) know who he was?


GreenDragon1133 wrote:

The alley behind SCPD was used in the flashback on Black Lightning. I was just surprised about seeing Roy's old house.

Black Lightning is filmed around Atlanta Georgia I believe. Seems very unlikely that Black Lightning can resuse any sets from the other CW shows, all of which are filmed around Vancouver.


Greenie,

I've always excused the lack of plot thinking to the fact they can't keep Oliver from killing people...among other things.


I can't help but feel that the writers wanted us to care about Rene in this episode.

That part where Digg apologized? Yeah, that's where "sorry I betrayed the team, provoked multiple fights, and took an axe to an unarmed man" should have been.

Is there some way I can hope that girl loses her dad, and not be as big a monster as her dad?

But hey, compared to Diaz, he almost qualifies as sympathetic.


I have a theory. The writers do not actually watch Arrow. The fight choreography is done by someone on set, separate from the writers.
Because I can't see how a rational person looks at what was on the screen, and says "Oliver was in the wrong to not get an axe buried in him."


They did and it failed. I do like his daughter better then oliver's son however.

Also FReaking rocket launcher WTF.


Let's see.

1) Multiple counts for the Appellate Court to dismiss on grounds of mistrial
2) ARGUS Director Speed Dial #1 POTUS. Presidential Pardon
3) 20 random cell phone videos of a mand coming out of the courthouse, being assaulted, and an army of police arriving and addressing this man as their "boss."

And what exactly is preventing ARGUS from rolling in, grabbing any SCPD officer,or other known associate of Diaz, and holding them in a black site, without legal recourse? That's how Amanda Waller rolled? And Cayden James was taken on Lila's watch, so that's how she rolls too.

And finally, Rene apologizes!


4) Why would the prosecution discredit their own witness?
5) Cross exam: Rene, was your previous statement being made because a known felon brought your underage daughter into the courtroom and was touching her?


No one ever said this series had any LEGAL sense.


It would have been nice if it and Flash did, though.

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While I know that they try to avoid having people from other shows show up and solve their problems, I was kind of wondering if they'd make an exception for Laurel, by calling the Flash crew and asking if she could be Breached back home (and away from Diaz's inevitable retribution), since faux-Laurel already was from another show (and we know from the gadget that Cisco made for Supergirl that Breaching someone doesn't even require Cisco to be present).

Normally I'd actually prefer for the Arrow crew to solve their own problems, rather than have every episode dissolve into 'why not just call Barry, he'll have it dealt with before we could get our costumes on...'

But in this case, Laurel's already a cross-show/cross-world traveler, and I think it would be a little bit hilarious for Diaz to menace her and for her to pull out a gizmo and fade into a breach, while noting that he's a big fish in this very small pond, while she's not even from his *world.*


Set, that makes a lot of sense to me. You're probably correct that it's only not being done because the writers want to control the cross-pollination.

There's also the fact that more of that sort of thing could require more precise timekeeping than is currently necessary. Over on Flash, for example, Supergirl would obviously be a huge help in taking down DeVoe, especially since Braniac 5 is currently on hand as well. But they've got serious Worldkiller problems, so...what? Team Flash calls and she sends her regrets? All the CW shows go from small-c crisis to small-c crisis, with few breaks in between. Having to calendar coordinate those breaks across four series, to know when one set of heroes might be available to aid another, would be a pain to maintain all season.

Sorry, big digression there. Yes, Laurel could be safely sent off-world without any of that hugely complicated stuff I wandered off into.


Frankly I think laurel should ever so sweetly get down close to whisper in Diaz ear take a deep breath and blow his brain out the other ear... Its probably for the best I don't have super powers.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Frankly I think laurel should ever so sweetly get down close to whisper in Diaz ear take a deep breath and blow his brain out the other ear... Its probably for the best I don't have super powers.

Reminds me of that scene from Superman 2. "My dear, blow him a kiss..."

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CW upfronts today announced that next season's crossover event will introduce Gotham City to the Arrowverse, along with Batwoman!


Batwoman!!


JoelF847 wrote:
CW upfronts today announced that next season's crossover event will introduce Gotham City to the Arrowverse, along with Batwoman!

Looks like its time for me to catch up on gotham.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:
CW upfronts today announced that next season's crossover event will introduce Gotham City to the Arrowverse, along with Batwoman!
Looks like its time for me to catch up on gotham.

I'm guessing it won't have any connection to the TV show Gotham.


JoelF847 wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:
CW upfronts today announced that next season's crossover event will introduce Gotham City to the Arrowverse, along with Batwoman!
Looks like its time for me to catch up on gotham.
I'm guessing it won't have any connection to the TV show Gotham.

Oh well then never mind.


Once again: When you are personally involved in saving the planet, and POTUS owes you, a Presidential Pardon is easy to come by.

Like, before he ever saw a holding cell.

Unless going to prison was part of a plan.

There was a script being circulated about 10 years ago. Supermax. It was offered to Pre-Marvel Studios Marvel. They offered Captain America. The writers were like "okay?" Then Warner offered Green Arrow.

Then development hell set in as: Man of Steel was greenlit to introduce a DC cinematic universe, and a Green Arrow TV show was launched.


I dunno if any of that is related, but it might be. Also I'm not sure a president can pardon you twice for what is essentially the same crime. But we'll see.

And yeah my understanding is, this Gotham isn't the Gotham on TV, so much as it is Arrowverse Gotham and Batwoman.


Which makes me think the next one will be set on Earth-38.


As a note upside down world laurel is a complete idiot. <.< >.> or is really good at this double agent stuff.


Vid,

Both are not mutually exclusive.

Green,

Nah I'm pretty sure it's probably Earth-1 or what ever Red Rain version might be there...


So, this season, instead of flashbacks to the island, we're getting flash forwards?

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Damon Griffin wrote:

So, this season, instead of flashbacks to the island, we're getting flash forwards?

Yes. I read they're 20 years in the future, and not connected to the Legends of Tomorrow S1 episode set in Star City's future. Also, that they'll continue not only for the rest of the season, but for multiple seasons going forward.

Who is the new Green Arrow:
They're certainly setting up the obvious choices as future William or future Roy Harper, but that seems too obvious - so I'm guessing it's unrelated, the flash forwards are a smoke screen to who's the new archer. As for the real identity of the Green Arrow, I'm guessing it's someone else....something else.


I assume the new (current time) Green Arrow is

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Roy Harper. Nothing surprising.

The island scene threw me a bit.

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I wouldn't have said that "William" looked like someone in his early 30's,
so I wonder about it actually being 20 years forward. Where did you read that?

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This was where I read it. It actually says "two decades" rather than 20 years, so it could be rounded and actually be more like 17 years I guess.


So this is a supermax? The facility is the Iron Height set from last year redressed, so physical security is the same. And human security is worse.

The only way this makes sense is if this was a deal between Olie and the agent to put him inside and expose the place.


good point. The weird thing to m is how close the prison flash and the prison arrow episodes are. Just one season away. At least Ollie is actually guilty so there is that.


Guard "attacks a prisoner". No one secured the weapon. No one secured the wounded prisoner. And all the guards left the room unguarded while they removed one of their own.

I'm pretty sure that qualifies as Kindergarten, not Minimum Security Prison.


When Dinah gave that gift to Zoe, was anyone not expecting the "surprise" in the last scene?


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I was less interested in the design being from the comics, and more interested in trying to decide whether it was a panic button signalling Rene/Dinah/Curtis, a tracking device, or both.

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