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Is there an item like this: wrist slot, free action, shield of magical force?


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I'm wondering if there is a magical item that would use a wrist slot, activate as a free action, and create a shield out of magical force. The Shield spell would be the basis of the magical effect. Since it provides no encumbrance or armor check penalty a character could still dual wield or shoot bows while the effect was active. If I look at the magic item creation rules it seems this item would only be 1,800 or 2,000 depending if it fits under Command Word, or Continuous.

Is there something like this already out there?

Edit: Just remembered you have to be level 3 before you can get craft wondrous item. So it would cost minimum 5,400 or 6,000gp.


That is a fairly powerful magic item you are trying to make, but it isn't impossible. First thing, your item cannot be activated by command word if you want it to be less than a standard action to turn on. Using the pricing for continuous/use-activated, I got the following.

Base Price(2000) x Spell Level(1) x Caster Level(1) x Duration Modifier(2) = 4000. This is the absolute least it could cost.

However, pricing magic items is never an exact science. As it says in the pricing rules, worth must always be factored in at the end. This item would be worth quite a lot. Additionally, the first rule of pricing a custom item is to find something similar and work from that point. The Ring of Force Shield is very close to what you want. That ring has a price of 8,500 GP and it only provides a +2 to AC. It can be activated and deactivated as a swift action. A free action would be an even bigger price hike. The spell Shield - which mysteriously isn't the base spell of this ring - provides a +4 to AC. If you are looking for that, I think we would have to presume another big jump in price.

As a GM, I would not allow the item you wanted for less than 8500 GP, but I would allow you to get a custom one made into bracers instead of a ring. If you want anything more powerful than the Ring of Force Shield, expect to pay a higher premium. That's just my two copper.

EDIT to your EDIT: That isn't actually a factor.

Magic Item Creation" wrote:
A creator can create an item at a lower caster level than her own, but never lower than the minimum level needed to cast the needed spell


Shalmdi,

Thanks for the response. Looking at it now I can see my math was way off.

Spell level 1 x Caster level 3 (because you can't craft wondrous items before that level) x 2,000 x 2 (Duration modifier) = 12,000 gp. A lot higher than I thought it would be. As you say though a free action +4 to AC without penalty is a pretty big deal, so it should cost quite a bit. I looked at the Ring of Force Shield, but their base spell was Wall of Force, and that's not really what I was looking for, in addition to the fact that I'd much rather have the item take up a wrist slot.

Edit: Thanks for your edit :P. I didn't realize you could create an item at a lower CL.


MendedWall12 wrote:
I looked at the Ring of Force Shield, but their base spell was Wall of Force, and that's not really what I was looking for,

I too question the use of Wall of Force instead of Shield. As a GM though, I recognize how powerful this item would be if it used the Shield spell and just the base pricing chart. RAW always gets fuzzy here. First they give you a guide for figuring out a custom item's price; then they use the very ambiguous part about modifying price based on actual worth. For point of reference, a +4 no-handed shield that also stops Magic Missiles is better in several ways than a +2 Animated heavy shield which would be priced at 16,000 GP.

You are in a grey area here, my friend. You have stepped out past the rim and entered the territory of "GM says." For my two copper, I would talk to my GM. Maybe they will let you use the base pricing of 4000, but I would not. If you are the GM, I think the pricing info above should be considered a good guideline.


I am the GM, and I agree. The pricing guidelines we've talked about are a good base. Magic item creation is always a wonky business anyway. Could I create this item by raw for 4,000 gp? Yeah, but then I just created an item that pretty much every player is going to want because of the effect it has and how cheap it is.


MendedWall12 wrote:

I'm wondering if there is a magical item that would use a wrist slot, activate as a free action, and create a shield out of magical force. The Shield spell would be the basis of the magical effect. Since it provides no encumbrance or armor check penalty a character could still dual wield or shoot bows while the effect was active. If I look at the magic item creation rules it seems this item would only be 1,800 or 2,000 depending if it fits under Command Word, or Continuous.

Is there something like this already out there?

Edit: Just remembered you have to be level 3 before you can get craft wondrous item. So it would cost minimum 5,400 or 6,000gp.

You are talking about Ring of Force Shield as a wrist slot?

So since there are no slot affinities like 3.5 in PF, the cost is 8 K.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rings/ring-of-force-shield

Another Ring using Shield as prereq: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rings/ring-of-foe-focus


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There are no "slot affinities" but IIRC, reslotting an item adds 50% again to the price of the item. So a ring of force shield placed in the wrist slot would be 12,750gp.


Foghammer wrote:
There are no "slot affinities" but IIRC, reslotting an item adds 50% again to the price of the item. So a ring of force shield placed in the wrist slot would be 12,750gp.

Wait, why would reslotting cost more if there are no slot affinities? The whole point to slot affinities was to avoid reslot fees.


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How solid is the requirement for it to be a swift action rather than a standard to activate ?

I might price out an item that lets me cast shield 1/day, then price out an item that lets me cast quickened shield 1/day. I think it's going to be pretty expensive, but I haven't done the math yet.


Starbuck_II wrote:
Foghammer wrote:
There are no "slot affinities" but IIRC, reslotting an item adds 50% again to the price of the item. So a ring of force shield placed in the wrist slot would be 12,750gp.
Wait, why would reslotting cost more if there are no slot affinities? The whole point to slot affinities was to avoid reslot fees.

Because if you don't charge a tax for resloting, then the whole point of slots is stupid. For example, instead of buying a belt of physical perfection +6, you could buy a belt of +6 str, gloves of dex +6, and an eyepatch of con +6, and be done with it. Similarly, you could buy your cloak of displacement, and then just change your cloak of resistance to boots of resistance, shirt of resistance, hat of resistance, or vest of resistance.

Also, the Ring of Force Shield asks for level 12th and Forge Ring feat. Changing it to Wrist means you can do it at lvl 3rd, with Craft Wondreous Item. That's a high bump in power, mind you. If you allow to re-slot everything, with no cost, then "forge ring" becomes obsolete, as you can just re-slot the ring of evasion to cloak of evasion or the ring of freedom to the googles of freedom.

To the OP: I agree with other posters here. It's identical to a Ring of Force Shield, it should cost 12k (and GM permission) if it goes to wrist slot.

EDIT: btw, what the OP suggest is more powerful than a ring of force shield. A ring of force shield can't be used while dual wielding or firing arrows. The ring allow you to use it "as if wielding a heavy shield". It has no encumbrance or ASF, but you still have to wield it (line it with the incoming attacks, and so on). So if you use your hand to attack, you lose the Shield bonus that turn, just like with a regular shield.

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Adding an extra ability to an item that has a slot (for example, combining an Amulet of Natural Armour with an Amulet of Mighty Fists) adds 50%. I've read the Magic Item Crafting rules extensively, and cannot find an extra charge for designing an item to use a different slot, so long as it still occupies a slot. Yes, this lets you break up stat-boosting items into different slots, but note that these items will then occupy three slots instead of one, which can be restrictive at high levels. In 3E stat-boosting items all took different slots, so that one person would wear a belt of strength, gloves of dexterity, and an amulet of health (Constitution).

Making rings into wondrous items does subvert Forge Ring a bit, but my group found a Cloak of Evasion once and no one complained it made their Rings of Protection less useful. Since custom items are always subject to DM approval, a DM can always rule that certain rings cannot be re-slotted.

Bracers that functioned as a Ring of Force Shield would cost 8,500 gold. But as gustavo iglesias said, the shield produced still needs to be wielded and thus the bracers the OP proposes (which leave a free hand) should be more expensive. Increasing the cost to 12K for a +2 shield bonus looks about right to me to balance the "hands free" addition (not a reslotting charge). A +4 bonus should be significantly more - in the range of 48K if you use the general rule that a +4 bonus is 4x the cost of a +2 bonus.


gustavo iglesias wrote:


Because if you don't charge a tax for resloting, then the whole point of slots is stupid.
For example, instead of buying a belt of physical perfection +6, you could buy a belt of +6 str, gloves of dex +6, and an eyepatch of con +6, and be done with it. Similarly, you could buy your cloak of displacement, and then just change your cloak of resistance to boots of resistance, shirt of resistance, hat of resistance, or vest of resistance.

All legal and allowed. Shirt of Resistance +1-5 are in 3.5 (and PF isw backwards compatible) Shirts have same affinity as cloaks do in 3.5.

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Also, the Ring of Force Shield asks for level 12th and Forge Ring feat. Changing it to Wrist means you can do it at lvl 3rd, with Craft Wondreous Item. That's a high bump in power, mind you. If you allow to re-slot everything, with no cost, then "forge ring" becomes obsolete, as you can just re-slot the ring of evasion to cloak of evasion or the ring of freedom to the googles of freedom.

Again all alowed in PF.

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To the OP: I agree with other posters here. It's identical to a Ring of Force Shield, it should cost 12k (and GM permission) if it goes to wrist slot.

Not all posters you mean. :P


Starbuck_II wrote:
gustavo iglesias wrote:


Because if you don't charge a tax for resloting, then the whole point of slots is stupid.
For example, instead of buying a belt of physical perfection +6, you could buy a belt of +6 str, gloves of dex +6, and an eyepatch of con +6, and be done with it. Similarly, you could buy your cloak of displacement, and then just change your cloak of resistance to boots of resistance, shirt of resistance, hat of resistance, or vest of resistance.

All legal and allowed. Shirt of Resistance +1-5 are in 3.5 (and PF isw backwards compatible) Shirts have same affinity as cloaks do in 3.5.

In 3.5 you could have gloves of dexterity and cloaks of charisma too. That does not mean you can do them freely in PF.


The only pre-existing item I am aware of would be bracers with spell storing. A wizard could put 3 shield spells in either bracer.
This is your home game. You can give non-arcane caster characters access to the shield spell if you want.
I never understood why they banned mage armor potions at conventions.

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