1970Zombie |
This is covered in the PFS FAQ:
What impact do NPCs, such slaves or vanity-purchased NPCs from the Pathfinder Society Field Guide have on my character?
First and foremost, the Leadership feat remains unavailable as a choice in Pathfinder Society. NPCs purchased with Prestige Points out of the Pathfinder Society Field Guide, pages 60-61, continue to provide only the benefits listed under the entries created for the Chronicler, Foreign Contact, Guide, Herald, Hunter, Porter, Seneschal, and Squire. Other than the benefit listed, they have no statistics and can not make any checks involving a dice roll. Slaves or any other NPCs, purchased with gold, are purely roleplaying flavor and have no mechanical benefits because they have no statistics. They can not make any checks involving a dice roll. Creatures that are granted by a class ability, such as animal companions, familiars, eidolons, and mounts have stats and therefore can be utilized in combat, for skill checks, etc...
David Haller |
Vanity follower question, are we limited to one or your charisma bonus? My gunslinger would like to build a contact network.
You can have a number of followers equal to your charisma bonus, yes; if you buy an island, that increases this amount by +2. Also, the seneschal follower doesn't count against your maximum number of followers.
El Baron de los Banditos |
Can slaves bought by one PFS character be freed by another, or does that border on PVP?
If the other player "lets" you free them, I'd think it would be fine. Otherwise, yes, it'd be PVP. You're essentially wasting their gold. You may as well be taking their gold and throwing it in the Worldwound.
Dudeacles |
Dudeacles wrote:Can slaves bought by one PFS character be freed by another, or does that border on PVP?If the other player "lets" you free them, I'd think it would be fine. Otherwise, yes, it'd be PVP. You're essentially wasting their gold. You may as well be taking their gold and throwing it in the Worldwound.
Or tossing it into the old Sphere of Annihilation comes to mind :D
But thank you both for the answers, such knowledge will be very useful if such an encounter comes.
Sitri |
This is covered in the PFS FAQ:
What impact do NPCs, such slaves or vanity-purchased NPCs from the Pathfinder Society Field Guide have on my character?
First and foremost, the Leadership feat remains unavailable as a choice in Pathfinder Society. NPCs purchased with Prestige Points out of the Pathfinder Society Field Guide, pages 60-61, continue to provide only the benefits listed under the entries created for the Chronicler, Foreign Contact, Guide, Herald, Hunter, Porter, Seneschal, and Squire. Other than the benefit listed, they have no statistics and can not make any checks involving a dice roll. Slaves or any other NPCs, purchased with gold, are purely roleplaying flavor and have no mechanical benefits because they have no statistics. They can not make any checks involving a dice roll. Creatures that are granted by a class ability, such as animal companions, familiars, eidolons, and mounts have stats and therefore can be utilized in combat, for skill checks, etc...
.....so if it isn't purchased with gold, I could charm a townsfolk into pulling around my flying chariot (floating disk) during combat?
I am assuming the standard NPC is statless and therefore could fall into the RAI, but lacking the gold they seem to bypass the RAW.
Michael Brock |
That would be at the GMs discretion at the table. However, I think pulling your floating disk around in combat clearly falls under, "...you must win an opposed Charisma check to convince it to do anything it wouldn't normally do. An affected creature never obeys suicidal or obviously harmful orders...."
El Baron de los Banditos |
Can we get a ruling on if slaves purchased with PP as vanties can be freed by other PCs? There was an unfortunate incident last night where 3 cheliaxian PCs were unconcious, and some Andoran halfling PCs had a chat with a couple of their halfing "squires".
I'm not sure why this needs an official ruling, as it falls into the same category as if they spent money on it. It falls under the "Don't Be a Jerk." If the Andoran goes unconcious, can the Chels chuck the halfling's new masterwork armour that Colson sent him personally off a cliff? If he got hit enough to go down, he clearly didn't need it that much or use it that well.
Needless to say, there is nothing to stop this conversation from actually happening. It is ONLY a converation, though; not a jailbreak. The squire isn't going to act on it*, but roleplay happened. Hopefully not while the other three were bleeding out.
Michael Brock |
Can we get a ruling on if slaves purchased with PP as vanties can be freed by other PCs? There was an unfortunate incident last night where 3 cheliaxian PCs were unconcious, and some Andoran halfling PCs had a chat with a couple of their halfing "squires".
No, other PCs may not free slaves purchased as vanities by other PCs.
David Haller |
Sitri wrote:.....so if it isn't purchased with gold, I could charm a townsfolk into pulling around my flying chariot (floating disk) during combat?I don't think floating disk does what you think it does...
Indeed.
It's an irony of Floating Disk that you can use it to transport your hireling around, but they can't transport *you* in it, nor can you transport *yourself* in it.
It might even be fairly comical to watch a caster try to climb into his floating disk, as it will keep trying to "follow" him...
JohnF Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West |
CRobledo wrote:You killed my father. Prepare to die.Sitri wrote:.....so if it isn't purchased with gold, I could charm a townsfolk into pulling around my flying chariot (floating disk) during combat?I don't think floating disk does what you think it does...
Been there, done that - got the T-shirt
The sad thing is that I was wearing this a couple of years ago, and the receptionist at the hotel where I was checking in actually thought it was a real name tag, and was concerned that he couldn't find a reservation for a Mr. Montoya.
Kids today ...
CanisDirus |
CRobledo wrote:Sitri wrote:.....so if it isn't purchased with gold, I could charm a townsfolk into pulling around my flying chariot (floating disk) during combat?I don't think floating disk does what you think it does...Indeed.
It's an irony of Floating Disk that you can use it to transport your hireling around, but they can't transport *you* in it, nor can you transport *yourself* in it.
It might even be fairly comical to watch a caster try to climb into his floating disk, as it will keep trying to "follow" him...
The solution would be to have a "slave" with the ability to cast Floating Disk, so the "owner" could ride the slave's floating disk as the slave marches in front. I don't think Vanity NPCs get PC classes though, or else that would make one heck of a Herald/Porter.
Catraoine Becket |
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The solution would be to have a "slave" with the ability to cast Floating Disk, so the "owner" could ride the slave's floating disk as the slave marches in front. I don't think Vanity NPCs get PC classes though, or else that would make one heck of a Herald/Porter.
Hey, my herald only has a mop and a kazoo. He *does* manage to keep my armor shiny, at least, which has proven to be a challenge for the little guy, given how often I fail Acrobatics checks and fall into standing sewer water.
Spoiler from "Cassomir's Locker":
Castigar Vengeance-Sworn |
Hey, my herald only has a mop and a kazoo. He *does* manage to keep my armor shiny, at least, which has proven to be a challenge for the little guy, given how often I fail Acrobatics checks and fall into standing sewer water.
Spoiler from "Cassomir's Locker":
** spoiler omitted **
Ah, apparently I can't post with one of my character aliases, or else Castigar would say "It was...amusing."
As me though, I think it was pretty awesome :)
Eric Clingenpeel Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant |
Sitri |
Sitri wrote:.....so if it isn't purchased with gold, I could charm a townsfolk into pulling around my flying chariot (floating disk) during combat?I don't think floating disk does what you think it does...
While I don't think it is the intended use, I don't see why it couldn't work.
You create a slightly concave, circular plane of force that follows you about and carries loads for you. The disk is 3 feet in diameter and 1 inch deep at its center. It can hold 100 pounds of weight per caster level. If used to transport a liquid, its capacity is 2 gallons. The disk floats approximately 3 feet above the ground at all times and remains level. It floats along horizontally within spell range and will accompany you at a rate of no more than your normal speed each round. If not otherwise directed, it maintains a constant interval of 5 feet between itself and you. The disk winks out of existence when the spell duration expires. The disk also winks out if you move beyond its range or try to take the disk more than 3 feet away from the surface beneath it. When the disk winks out, whatever it was supporting falls to the surface beneath it.
Even though I am above the disk, it won't float higher than three feet.
Also it has the line "if not otherwise directed," so it can be directed. It doesn't really say how it is directed. I don't see any problem with someone else directing the hover board. If others can't move it that would mean a first level spell works like a three foot high immovable rod which can't be right, or I could even strong arm someone tied to it.
Worse case scenario I would think I mentally direct it but I have the slave there for flavor; there is nothing to suggest directing it takes any real effort on my part. And if that is true I could then use it to make bull rush attempts without chance of fail if others can't impact its movement.
Simply letting others push or pull it seems like the least broken option for this spell.
nosig |
CRobledo wrote:Sitri wrote:.....so if it isn't purchased with gold, I could charm a townsfolk into pulling around my flying chariot (floating disk) during combat?I don't think floating disk does what you think it does...While I don't think it is the intended use, I don't see why it couldn't work.
** spoiler omitted **Even though I am above the disk, it won't float higher than three feet.
Also it has the line "if not otherwise directed," so it can be directed. It doesn't really say how it is directed. I don't see any problem with someone else directing the hover board. If others can't move it that would mean a first level spell works like a three foot high immovable rod which can't be right, or I could even strong arm someone tied to it.
Worse case scenario I would think I mentally direct it but I have the slave there for flavor; there is nothing to suggest directing it takes any real effort on my part. And if that is true I could then use it to make bull rush attempts without chance of fail if others can't impact its movement.
Simply letting others push or pull it seems like the least broken option for this...
Sitri - while I agree with you, you can expect a lot of table variation on this. YMMV.
Eric Clingenpeel Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant |