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Just noticed that the Holy Gun's first ability gained is "Have Gun"


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Silver Crusade

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Oh you! :D

<3's to whoever is responsible for that one.


I'm told the "Black Blade" of the Bladebound Magus archetype is a reference to something (forget what, think it was a book series) too while on that subject.


Black Blade could reference a lot of things. it amounts to have a free intelligent magic weapon at level 3 that doesn't count against WBL and is impossible to permanently eradicate.

Holy Gun only has that ability because Guns are so darn expensive. just like every other gun wielding archetype out there.

Grand Lodge

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And the problem with this is what??


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Shuriken Nekogami wrote:

Black Blade could reference a lot of things. it amounts to have a free intelligent magic weapon at level 3 that doesn't count against WBL and is impossible to permanently eradicate.

Holy Gun only has that ability because Guns are so darn expensive. just like every other gun wielding archetype out there.

"Have Gun - Will Travel" was a TV series that stared a man known only as "Paladin".

Andoran

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Didn't know that.


It practically invented the archetype of the lone mysterious stranger coming into town, solving the town's problem, and moving on. Without it, there probably wouldn't have been the Kung Fu TV show, or any of the derivatives thereof.

As one of the archetypal cowboy shows of the late 50's/early 60's, it also helped to launch the deconstructionist Western movie of the late 60's/early 70's, so you can also partially thank it for Clint Eastwood's best early work, Sam Peckinpah, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, etc...

It's worth checking out.

Silver Crusade

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Yeah, it's one of those shows that actually aged a bit better than many of its contemporaries. Maybe not as well as Twilight Zone, but it still holds up nicely.

deuxhero wrote:
I'm told the "Black Blade" of the Bladebound Magus archetype is a reference to something (forget what, think it was a book series) too while on that subject.

Michael Moorcock's Elric for sure, though it thankfully doesn't lock black blade users into that particular character's flavor. Not that he's a bad character, but not everyone would want to be forced to play him.

Silver Crusade

Mikaze wrote:

Yeah, it's one of those shows that actually aged a bit better than many of its contemporaries. Maybe not as well as Twilight Zone, but it still holds up nicely.

deuxhero wrote:
I'm told the "Black Blade" of the Bladebound Magus archetype is a reference to something (forget what, think it was a book series) too while on that subject.
Michael Moorcock's Elric for sure, though it thankfully doesn't lock black blade users into that particular character's flavor. Not that he's a bad character, but not everyone would want to be forced to play him.

As soon as I saw this archetype I wanted to re-create Elric, but I soon realised that greatsword was not an option! : (

Andoran

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It's a more recent possible inspiration, but a few of the Dragaerans in Steve Brust's books are carting around highly intelligent weapons of many different sorts. So even if you can't play Elric you can still play Morrolan or Aliera.

Grand Lodge

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Necroluth wrote:

It practically invented the archetype of the lone mysterious stranger coming into town, solving the town's problem, and moving on. Without it, there probably wouldn't have been the Kung Fu TV show, or any of the derivatives thereof.

As one of the archetypal cowboy shows of the late 50's/early 60's, it also helped to launch the deconstructionist Western movie of the late 60's/early 70's, so you can also partially thank it for Clint Eastwood's best early work, Sam Peckinpah, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, etc...

It's worth checking out.

Wasn't that actually pioneered by Clint Eastwood's The Man With No Name?

Bruce Lee however created "Kung Fu" with no particular inspiration from that show as I recall. He was looking essentially to meld the styles of the Chinese martial arts films into a western format. He created the series with the idea that he would star in it. However he was bumped for David Carradine as it was felt that Lee was "too Asian" for the part.

Andoran

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LazarX wrote:
Necroluth wrote:

It practically invented the archetype of the lone mysterious stranger coming into town, solving the town's problem, and moving on. Without it, there probably wouldn't have been the Kung Fu TV show, or any of the derivatives thereof.

As one of the archetypal cowboy shows of the late 50's/early 60's, it also helped to launch the deconstructionist Western movie of the late 60's/early 70's, so you can also partially thank it for Clint Eastwood's best early work, Sam Peckinpah, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, etc...

It's worth checking out.

Wasn't that actually pioneered by Clint Eastwood's The Man With No Name?

Bruce Lee however created "Kung Fu" with no particular inspiration from that show as I recall. He was looking essentially to meld the styles of the Chinese martial arts films into a western format. He created the series with the idea that he would star in it. However he was bumped for David Carradine as it was felt that Lee was "too Asian" for the part.

"Have Gun - Will Travel": aired in 1957.

"A Fistful of Dollars": released in 1964.

By the time "Kung Fu" was in development, the tropes of the late '50s/early '60s TV Westerns had pretty-much come to dominate the format, so it's not really necessary for Lee to have been specifically inspired by HGWT.


Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

Yeah, it's one of those shows that actually aged a bit better than many of its contemporaries. Maybe not as well as Twilight Zone, but it still holds up nicely.

deuxhero wrote:
I'm told the "Black Blade" of the Bladebound Magus archetype is a reference to something (forget what, think it was a book series) too while on that subject.
Michael Moorcock's Elric for sure, though it thankfully doesn't lock black blade users into that particular character's flavor. Not that he's a bad character, but not everyone would want to be forced to play him.
As soon as I saw this archetype I wanted to re-create Elric, but I soon realised that greatsword was not an option! : (

No, but the bastard sword is. Close enough.

Andoran

My greatest issue with the Holy Gun archetype, right before "it's not as effective as a paladin with a dip in gunslinger", is that there's no "Will Travel" ability.


I've found that mixing one level of Mysterious Stranger with Holy Gun is quite effective. Just focus on Standard Action gunshots.

By that i mean that you can stack Focused Aim(Swift Action, 1 grit, add +Cha bonus to all attacks this round.) and Smiting Shot(Standard Action, 1 grit, add +Cha bonus and Paladin level to damage.) along with a Double Barreled Gun for some massive damage.

Qadira

I really wish it didn't replace the divine bond ability, so I could get a mount.

Losing smite for an ability that is nearly unlimited is great. Smite is one target, while smiling shot works well with shot guns too.

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