Orthos |
Aranna wrote:Maybe it's just culture shock. I was raised in a very strict religious community. You know, no TV, no Computers, mom stayed at home, I even wore handmade clothing my mother made for me. I guess there are certain things I still would be ashamed to do despite having been exposed to public schools after my parents divorce.
Maybe I am not as worldly as I imagined.
Body shame is a cultural thing.
There have been human cultures where it would be considered strange that a woman had to cover up her breast, but men can bandy about their bare nipples all they please, even the large subset of men who basically have breasts. What gives?
Count me as one of the ones who would rather see none of the above uncovered x_x At least in public. What you do in your own home or other private locations is your business.
But then I also never wear shorts outside the house, even in the dead of summer. So take that for what it's worth.
Pan |
But then I also never wear shorts outside the house, even in the dead of summer. So take that for what it's worth.
Me either. My friends even qoute the scene from Sapranos where the New York Don tells Tony that "The Don doesn't wear shorts". Men look ridiculous in shorts unless you are at the beach.
Orthos |
Orthos wrote:But then I also never wear shorts outside the house, even in the dead of summer. So take that for what it's worth.Me either. My friends even qoute the scene from Sapranos where the New York Don tells Tony that "The Don doesn't wear shorts". Men look ridiculous in shorts unless you are at the beach.
It's more comfort for me, I don't like being outside without being covered up. Heck if the weather were like it is now all year you'd also never see me without a jacket or long sleeves.
I don't remember the last time I went to the beach. Was probably back when I was in school, pre-college. I'd probably be really uncomfortable with it now.
Evil Lincoln |
It's not just body shame though. I see a big difference being comfortable with your body or with nudity and turning it into a commodity.
I've hung out with groups where casual nudity was acceptable and I've got no problem with it. Hiring a stripper to show you her breasts is not at all like that.
I guess the way I see it, there's nothing wrong with a person choosing for themselves to do such a thing. I DO think there's something wrong with other people making that decision, for or against.
thejeff |
thejeff wrote:I guess the way I see it, there's nothing wrong with a person choosing for themselves to do such a thing. I DO think there's something wrong with other people making that decision, for or against.It's not just body shame though. I see a big difference being comfortable with your body or with nudity and turning it into a commodity.
I've hung out with groups where casual nudity was acceptable and I've got no problem with it. Hiring a stripper to show you her breasts is not at all like that.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the person choosing to strip. My issues are more with the customers.
Bill Dunn |
Maybe it's just culture shock. I was raised in a very strict religious community. You know, no TV, no Computers, mom stayed at home, I even wore handmade clothing my mother made for me. I guess there are certain things I still would be ashamed to do despite having been exposed to public schools after my parents divorce.
Maybe I am not as worldly as I imagined.
It's not just about culture shock or being worldly. Nor is it just about negative body image (or positive body image). It's both of those combined AND whether someone's an exhibitionist or not. And I don't mean that in some kind of psychological diagnosis or prurient kind of way - just whether the person is OK with or enjoys being exposed, on the spot, and letting it all hang out - so to speak.
Some people are exhibitionists, and some aren't. Some are in a physical sense (strippers, people in amateur porn, nudists), some aren't. Some are in a psychological sense (bloggers who share a lot of intimate personal info), some aren't. And that often cuts across culture and body image (though one assumes there are relatively few negative body image exhibitionists). The important thing is to be comfortable with what you are and let other people be comfortable with what they are.
The closest strip bar to my home frequently advertises on the radio for new dancers. One of the primary qualifications is, as they put it, "and you're not shy at all". No kidding. But it underlines they don't want people who are shy about schmoozing with customers and showing off.
Foghammer |
I don't understand the appeal of strippers. It's like paying to go window shopping; MAYBE you hold it against you in front of a mirror to see if it'll fit, but you never take it home.
That sounded way more graphic than I intended. Had a Barney Stinson vibe to it...
I've never been to a strip club, and the only bachelor party I ever attended was a D&D game. The opening scene was that our CHARACTERS were at a bachelor party that was cut short by the kidnapping of the bride-to-be.
Freehold DM |
Evil Lincoln wrote:thejeff wrote:I guess the way I see it, there's nothing wrong with a person choosing for themselves to do such a thing. I DO think there's something wrong with other people making that decision, for or against.It's not just body shame though. I see a big difference being comfortable with your body or with nudity and turning it into a commodity.
I've hung out with groups where casual nudity was acceptable and I've got no problem with it. Hiring a stripper to show you her breasts is not at all like that.I don't think there's anything wrong with the person choosing to strip. My issues are more with the customers.
:-P
David knott 242 |
The only way the topless DM bit could work would be in a place where casual nudity is accepted -- say, at a nudist camp. In that case, the DM would just happen to be topless -- there would be no reason to call attention to it.
But I think I know enough about the jobs of DMs and strippers to say that there are very few if any people who could pull off doing both at the same time. I once knew a woman who had done both, but never at the same time. The problem is that the two tasks require completely different attitudes towards the players/customers.
Asphere |
Orthos wrote:Me either. My friends even qoute the scene from Sapranos where the New York Don tells Tony that "The Don doesn't wear shorts". Men look ridiculous in shorts unless you are at the beach.
But then I also never wear shorts outside the house, even in the dead of summer. So take that for what it's worth.
You must not live anywhere humid.
Asphere |
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Doug OBrien wrote:Hey if you want to put comfort over class thats fine.Pan wrote:Men look ridiculous in shorts unless you are at the beach.Boooooo!
Class has nothing to do with how you dress and how you look. Besides, there are more important things to worry about than superficial nonsense.
Tequila Sunrise |
Shorts and T-shirt is my standard garb for as much of the year as I can stand it. Preferably sandals or barefoot too.
Luckily, work has a relaxed dress code.
I had a mailman who delivers mail in shorts all year-round, even in the dead of the New York winter. He said he just doesn't get cold.
I don't understand the appeal of strippers. It's like paying to go window shopping; MAYBE you hold it against you in front of a mirror to see if it'll fit, but you never take it home.
That sounded way more graphic than I intended. Had a Barney Stinson vibe to it...
Haha, yeah, but I don't get it either! Watching something I can't have is just frustrating.
Pan |
I seemed to have touched a nerve sorry about that. I agree how a person carries themselves has the most to do with class. However, I most certainly disagree about style having nothing to do with it all. As a professional I have to look the part to be the part. My success for my career and personal life benefit from a good sense of style. While for most people this may seem like an unnecessary front, it is something that I actually enjoy. There are however, many paths to success in life that dont require style and I completely understand if style is not important to you.
thejeff |
Class doesn't have anything to do with how you carry yourself either. It's about how you treat people.
Unless you're talking about social class. Which I don't think the rest of us are.
Of course, for certain professions you have to dress the part and for most jobs you have to meet at least minimum standards. And equally of course, if you enjoy it, if you're comfortable that way, more power to you. Personally, I look and feel like an idiot when I dress up.
Digitalelf |
Every time I hear that line, I think of DeNiro looking in the mirror wearing a military jacket, and I don't mean dress blues.
Well, that IS how the line was delivered in the movie, but the imagery is easily replaced...
Besides, I'm certainly no Vito Corleone, so I'd feel more silly saying "I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse!" ;-)
JrK |
Okay so I'm a pretty straight guy... but...
Don't you guys think that when you are sitting with a girl you just met, are trying to do something semi-serious with, with four other guys, sitting awful close to each other, you'd be mighty uncomfortable at the situation? Not knowing where to look n all.
thejeff |
Okay so I'm a pretty straight guy... but...
Don't you guys think that when you are sitting with a girl you just met, are trying to do something semi-serious with, with four other guys, sitting awful close to each other, you'd be mighty uncomfortable at the situation? Not knowing where to look n all.
You're paying her to show you her breasts. You look at the breasts. Where else?
Mike Dowd |
You're getting hung up on the stripper. It doesn't have to be a stripper. Go shoot some pool. Play paintball. Go rent some time at a shooting range.
My stag party started out with paintball, where I had a knee go out on me, followed by dinner at a steak and chop house, and then an evening of billiards with some pretty good friends. Barely any alcohol, no strippers, and on hell of a fun time...
Orthos |
Pan wrote:You must not live anywhere humid.Orthos wrote:Me either. My friends even qoute the scene from Sapranos where the New York Don tells Tony that "The Don doesn't wear shorts". Men look ridiculous in shorts unless you are at the beach.
But then I also never wear shorts outside the house, even in the dead of summer. So take that for what it's worth.
Actually it's quite humid where I live, I'm in TN. I just am not comfortable going outside uncovered.
I used to hate ties but having to wear them for work I'm more used to it now. I could stand wearing a suit more often, if it wasn't for the heat.
Asphere |
Asphere wrote:Pan wrote:You must not live anywhere humid.Orthos wrote:Me either. My friends even qoute the scene from Sapranos where the New York Don tells Tony that "The Don doesn't wear shorts". Men look ridiculous in shorts unless you are at the beach.
But then I also never wear shorts outside the house, even in the dead of summer. So take that for what it's worth.Actually it's quite humid where I live, I'm in TN. I just am not comfortable going outside uncovered.
I used to hate ties but having to wear them for work I'm more used to it now. I could stand wearing a suit more often, if it wasn't for the heat.
I am further down South from you (Mississippi). The humidity here is unbearable - like technically unbearable. The humidity + dew point here frequently classifies the weather as "uncomfortable for most humans". It has reached 86% humidity before in the summer with a dew point at 76 degrees. It is like walking around in a swimming pool.
Orthos |
Orthos wrote:I am further down South from you (Mississippi). The humidity here is unbearable - like technically unbearable. The humidity + dew point here frequently classifies the weather as "uncomfortable for most humans". It has reached 86% humidity before in the summer with a dew point at 76 degrees. It is like walking around in a swimming pool.Asphere wrote:Pan wrote:You must not live anywhere humid.Orthos wrote:Me either. My friends even qoute the scene from Sapranos where the New York Don tells Tony that "The Don doesn't wear shorts". Men look ridiculous in shorts unless you are at the beach.
But then I also never wear shorts outside the house, even in the dead of summer. So take that for what it's worth.Actually it's quite humid where I live, I'm in TN. I just am not comfortable going outside uncovered.
I used to hate ties but having to wear them for work I'm more used to it now. I could stand wearing a suit more often, if it wasn't for the heat.
Heh, sounds a little worse than ours, unless it's raining our humidity tends to hover in the 60-70% ranges.
I spent eight years in Arizona and loved it. I don't think I could survive in Mississippi.
Freehold DM |
Orthos wrote:I am further down South from you (Mississippi). The humidity here is unbearable - like technically unbearable. The humidity + dew point here frequently classifies the weather as "uncomfortable for most humans". It has reached 86% humidity before in the summer with a dew point at 76 degrees. It is like walking around in a swimming pool.Asphere wrote:Pan wrote:You must not live anywhere humid.Orthos wrote:Me either. My friends even qoute the scene from Sapranos where the New York Don tells Tony that "The Don doesn't wear shorts". Men look ridiculous in shorts unless you are at the beach.
But then I also never wear shorts outside the house, even in the dead of summer. So take that for what it's worth.Actually it's quite humid where I live, I'm in TN. I just am not comfortable going outside uncovered.
I used to hate ties but having to wear them for work I'm more used to it now. I could stand wearing a suit more often, if it wasn't for the heat.
I would literally cease to exist if it was that humid and anything above 70+ degrees.
Freehold DM |
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Freehold DM wrote:These batchelor parties sound hella boring to me. Probably because they consist of things I do both with and without my wife on a regular basis.Careful, that sounds dangerously close to saying you find the things you do with your wife to be hell boring! =)
I tend to yawn if she doesn't spin her nipple tassels just right.
EntrerisShadow |
Actually just went to a D&D theme yesterday, so this doesn't sound too far-fetched to me. And the bride actually shot a very similar suggestion to the Man of Honor for the bachelor/bachelorette party.
I have some very progressive, very nerdy, friends.
I think the appeal of strippers can only exist in a society as puritanical as ours. Breasts are a cultural obsession because of the way we mythologize them. Half the enjoyment of hiring a stripper or going to a strip club seems to stem from the cultural subversiveness as much as the desire to see a member of the opposite sex fully/partially nude.
Pan |
Orthos wrote:I am further down South from you (Mississippi). The humidity here is unbearable - like technically unbearable. The humidity + dew point here frequently classifies the weather as "uncomfortable for most humans". It has reached 86% humidity before in the summer with a dew point at 76 degrees. It is like walking around in a swimming pool.Asphere wrote:Pan wrote:You must not live anywhere humid.Orthos wrote:Me either. My friends even qoute the scene from Sapranos where the New York Don tells Tony that "The Don doesn't wear shorts". Men look ridiculous in shorts unless you are at the beach.
But then I also never wear shorts outside the house, even in the dead of summer. So take that for what it's worth.Actually it's quite humid where I live, I'm in TN. I just am not comfortable going outside uncovered.
I used to hate ties but having to wear them for work I'm more used to it now. I could stand wearing a suit more often, if it wasn't for the heat.
Part of what I do for a living is controlling comfort conditions inside retail locations for a major corporation. I am so very glad we have few locations in Mississippi.
Caineach |
Okay so I'm a pretty straight guy... but...
Don't you guys think that when you are sitting with a girl you just met, are trying to do something semi-serious with, with four other guys, sitting awful close to each other, you'd be mighty uncomfortable at the situation? Not knowing where to look n all.
First, why are you assuming this game will be serious? I would expect a silly oneshot based arround something like rescuing Sir Galahad from Castle Anthrax, with Zoot being the bride to be.