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What if Israel bombed Iran?


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Two dozen Israeli fighter jets have just entered Jordanian airspace,
apparently en route to Iran... > A possible scenario <

Grand Lodge

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It would be an incredibly stupid thing for Israel to do. The country is still surrounded by many who wish both it and the United States ill will but are still ambivalent enough to keep talking with both.

The real thing is... While support for Israel is at present a mantra that every politician must utter to the American electorate. That support can go away real quickly if a stunt like this resulted in a crippling boycott bigger than the one that gave a sucker punch to the West in the 70's. While America supports Israael presently because it is a convenient proxy, it won't support the country to the point of economic suicide. It's also why though Israel has been adventurous in the past, it's been very limited in how far it would cross the line to defy Washington.

It's the kind of move that can turn the whole region into a shooting gallery with most of Israel right in the crosshairs.


What if the reverse happens?

Oh wait, the country's neighbours are throwing small bombs at Israel every day.

Shadow Lodge

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Icyshadow wrote:

What if the reverse happens?

Oh wait, the country's neighbours are throwing small bombs at Israel every day.

A home made rocket without the explosive power of an arkansaw fishing pole isn't quite the same thing as a bunkerbuster from an F16.

Casualty rates are pretty low and have dropped signifigantly

Israel kills six times as many Palestinians, plus countless indefinite detentions without charges against protestors. Not that the US would do anything differently in that situation.

What i think would happen

Jordan would try to stay neutral, and face a possible overthrow from the arab spring as pan arab forces rally to attack israel. This would actually help israel, because israel has the ability to simply cross jordan's airspace whereas iran needs to actually cross through jordan on the ground to do the kind of damage it needs to to win.

The US would do some doublespeak to condemn the attacks and support Israels right to defend itself, and block the inevitable UN resolution to condemn the attack. Israel has a large support base in the United states. The Iranians that most americans can't tell apart from the terrorists who attacked us? Not so much.

Iran will try to close off the strait of hormuz. This will last approximately 15 minutes, but oil prices will sky rocket anyway.

The egyptian military would stay out of it, but massive numbers of egyptian citizens would try to attack israel.

The Palestinians of course would rise up, Israel would respond, clear people out for "Strategic concerns" and then keep the land until the end of time.

It overall seems like a win win for Israel.


...I'm pretty sure that I'd get called out on this, but I'm going to say that I'm okay with that.

Then again, I have my own reasons to be heavily biased (if you can call it that) when it comes to this issue.

Qadira

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Icyshadow wrote:

What if the reverse happens?

Oh wait, the country's neighbours are throwing small bombs at Israel every day.

Oh, you mean all those Palestinians who had their country stolen out from under them by the USA and a bunch off European Governments who saw it as a solution to their Jewish problem...

Time to accept facts - the governing of others is a crime and only digs mass graves.

You want to bring down Iran? offer every unmarried Female citizenship in the USA with the right to represent herself in Parliament for life in a process that requires consensus and a air ticket to get to the USA, free home in a city built exclusively for women, and schooling/training and a future. Then watch how many nations deny Women the right to leave to the point of those nations and their cultures collapsing in on themselves. and becoming extinct when women realize they have freedoms at the approval of men. That's how you wage war.


So, what is your solution? Driving the jews out of Israel?

Where will they go if they can't even have their own country?

Because as clever as that plan to make Iran collapse in on itself is, I doubt it will be picked up.

Qadira

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Icyshadow wrote:

So, what is your solution? Driving the jews out of Israel?

Where will they go if they can't even have their own country?

Because as clever as that plan to make Iran collapse in on itself is, I doubt it will be picked up.

Own Country? Son, Welcome to Citizenship on Planet Earth.


That will never catch on, as much as I wish it did.

I already got enough death threats being a jewish person in Finland.

Qadira

Icyshadow wrote:

That will never catch on, as much as I wish it did.

I already got enough death threats being a Jewish person in Finland.

Ah yes...oh but for strong men who care nothing for the false robes of religion and evolution.

Qadira

Icyshadow wrote:
Because as clever as that plan to make Iran collapse in on itself is, I doubt it will be picked up.

Only because it sets a trend where men no longer have an opinion.

Shadow Lodge

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Icyshadow wrote:

That will never catch on, as much as I wish it did.

I already got enough death threats being a jewish person in Finland.

... why?

Qadira

yellowdingo wrote:
offer every unmarried Female citizenship in the USA with the right to represent herself in Parliament for life

We do not have a Parliment.

Qadira

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:

That will never catch on, as much as I wish it did.

I already got enough death threats being a jewish person in Finland.

... why?

That question explains so much.


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:

That will never catch on, as much as I wish it did.

I already got enough death threats being a jewish person in Finland.

... why?

Go ask the neo-nazis or that one kurd who gave me a long-winded speech about why people apparently hate jewish people.

Qadira

OK Back to the original Post, if Israel bombed Iran it would be a rogue state. Think you are only a rogue state if America says you are? Think Again.

Qadira

Crimson Jester wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
offer every unmarried Female citizenship in the USA with the right to represent herself in Parliament for life
We do not have a Parliament.

Yup - you have a big white Palace where your Emperor lives...and a Senate where wealthy patriarchs from the provinces meet to plot his death on the steps on the Ides of March.

Grand Lodge

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No win scenario.

It would be bad if Israel bombed Iran.

It would be bad if Israel doesn't bomb Iran.

Qadira

Mazra wrote:

No win scenario.

It would be bad if Israel bombed Iran.

It would be bad if Israel doesn't bomb Iran.

Lets get that right though...'If Israel Nuke Iran with their American Nukes...'

Grand Lodge

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Israel doesn't need American nukes. I am sure they have their own.


60 minutes interviews Meir Dagan.

He's a former leader of Mossad, and he says they have three years to wait.

Grand Lodge

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Oh good we have three years. We should be able to complete a few APs by then.

Shadow Lodge

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Crimson Jester wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:

That will never catch on, as much as I wish it did.

I already got enough death threats being a jewish person in Finland.

... why?
That question explains so much.

Sorry if i come from an area where anti semitism is pretty much a non issue. Being Jewish has about as much effect as having blond hair, being a Presbyterian or a vegetarian. I mean if you said you live in the west bank or germany sure... but FINLAND? "Hot bed of antisemitism" would come to my mind when thinking about Finland some time after "bikini wearing alien beach party"


Mazra wrote:

No win scenario.

It would be bad if Israel bombed Iran.

It would be bad if Israel doesn't bomb Iran.

Best serious estimates are that any bombing attack on Iran, short of nukes or a full-scale invasion, would set Iran's nuclear program back by a year or two. And drive it even deeper underground and make it even harder to attack next time.

It's also likely to solidify support behind Iran's hard-liners.

Grand Lodge

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Then it is inevitable under the current regime that Iran will destroy Israel.


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Mazra wrote:
Then it is inevitable under the current regime that Iran will destroy Israel.

Because Iran's regime is suicidal?

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No. It is filled with hate.

Shadow Lodge

Mazra wrote:
No. It is filled with hate.

It doesn't have a mechanism for it. even one nuke, IF it can deliver it, won't destroy Israel. Israel can continue to sabatoge Irans nuclear program while it works on getting some of the better bunker busters from the US. (on the offhand chance it doesn't already have them)


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:

That will never catch on, as much as I wish it did.

I already got enough death threats being a jewish person in Finland.

... why?
That question explains so much.
Sorry if i come from an area where anti semitism is pretty much a non issue. Being Jewish has about as much effect as having blond hair, being a Presbyterian or a vegetarian. I mean if you said you live in the west bank or germany sure... but FINLAND? "Hot bed of antisemitism" would come to my mind when thinking about Finland some time after "bikini wearing alien beach party"

Did you know that the three main places for Neo Nazis in the world are Germany, Russia and Finland?

And really, the jewish are hated everywhere. It's always been that way, and looks to me like it always will be.


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Mazra wrote:
No. It is filled with hate.

Enough hate that they will nuke Israel as soon as they get the chance? Despite the certainty of retaliation from Israel's nukes? And probably America's as well?


Icyshadow wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:

That will never catch on, as much as I wish it did.

I already got enough death threats being a jewish person in Finland.

... why?
Go ask the neo-nazis or that one kurd who gave me a long-winded speech about why people apparently hate jewish people.

The fact that there exist crazy neonazis that hate jews should be irrelevant to the palestine-israel issue.

Shadow Lodge

Nicos wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:


Where will they go if they can't even have their own country?

Why not give them a piece of the US? like texas or soemthing.

Take New Jersey.. please.


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Nicos wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:


Where will they go if they can't even have their own country?

Why not give them a piece of the US? like texas or soemthing.

Take New Jersey.. please.

hey i deleted that post. how do you quoted it?

Shadow Lodge

IcyShadow wrote:
Did you know that the three main places for Neo Nazis in the world are Germany, Russia and Finland?

Yes, yes on disliking the jews no on actualy neo nazis, and no.

Any reason you wound up with so many?

Quote:
And really, the jewish are hated everywhere. It's always been that way, and looks to me like it always will be.

If you're seeing it everywhere you're probably seeing something else.

Shadow Lodge

Nicos wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Nicos wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:


Where will they go if they can't even have their own country?

Why not give them a piece of the US? like texas or soemthing.

Take New Jersey.. please.

hey i deleted that post. how do you quoted it?

Black footy pajamas and throwing stars.

Taldor

What would happen if Iran got a nuclear weapon? Do you think they'd really use it?


BigNorseWolf wrote:
IcyShadow wrote:
Did you know that the three main places for Neo Nazis in the world are Germany, Russia and Finland?

Yes, yes on disliking the jews no on actualy neo nazis, and no.

Any reason you wound up with so many?

Quote:
And really, the jewish are hated everywhere. It's always been that way, and looks to me like it always will be.
If you're seeing it everywhere you're probably seeing something else.

Are you one of those people who say the Holocaust never happened?

And yes, perhaps I exaggerated. But it is known there are neo-nazis in Korso, and I have received legitimate death threats just because I am jewish.


Icyshadow wrote:

That will never catch on, as much as I wish it did.

I already got enough death threats being a jewish person in Finland.

I had no idea this was the case.

Taldor

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Icyshadow wrote:
Are you one of those people who say the Holocaust never happened?

That's kind of a large unpleasant leap to make. I appreciate that you're felling persecuted by people back home but I don't think this line of talk helps keep things civil in here.

Shadow Lodge

Icyshadow wrote:


Are you one of those people who say the Holocaust never happened?

Headdesk. No, but thank you for proving my point.

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And yes, perhaps I exaggerated. But it is known there are neo-nazis in Korso, and I have received legitimate death threats just because I am jewish.

I'm american. You realize i needed to google Korso right? I've never heard of the place, much less looked into its subcultures.


Proving what point? You didn't really seem to have one aside from trying to troll me when I admit I don't feel safe anywhere I go. Also, the conflict between Israel and Iran is going to come to a point eventually. What happens then? Who knows. Lastly, why did you make fun of the average intelligence levels of the American people? Maybe you were just kidding?

Grand Lodge

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thejeff wrote:
Mazra wrote:
No. It is filled with hate.

Enough hate that they will nuke Israel as soon as they get the chance? Despite the certainty of retaliation from Israel's nukes? And probably America's as well?

Possibly?

Thursday, 02 Aug 2012

In a speech published on his website Thursday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the ultimate goal of world forces must be the annihilation of Israel.

Speaking to ambassadors from Islamic countries ahead of 'Qods Day' ('Jerusalem Day'), an annual Iranian anti-Zionist event established in 1979 by Ayatollah Khomeini and which falls this year on August 17, Ahmadinejad said that a "horrible Zionist current" had been managing world affairs for "about 400 years."

It was Zionists, he said, who were “behind the scene of the world’s main powers, media, monetary and banking centers.”

"They are the decision makers, to the extent that the presidential election hopefuls [of the USA] must go and kiss the feet of the Zionists to ensure their election victory,” he added.

Ahmadinejad added that "liberating Palestine" would solve all the world's problems, although he did not elaborate on exactly how that might work.

“Qods Day is not merely a strategic solution for the Palestinian problem, as it is to be viewed as a key for solving the world problems," he said.

He added: "Anyone who loves freedom and justice must strive for the annihilation of the Zionist regime in order to pave the way for world justice and freedom.”


He's a big kidder, that Mahmoud.

Shadow Lodge

Kryzbyn wrote:
He's a big kidder, that Mahmoud.

He's a big panderer. He's telling the people what they want to hear. (that is in fact, the entirety of his job. He doesn't have any actual power) .


He isn't telling the people what they want to hear.
If he told them what they wanted to hear, it'd be more like "I'm resigning, and being replaced with the guy you all actually voted for."

Shadow Lodge

Icyshadow wrote:
Proving what point? You didn't really seem to have one aside from trying to troll me when I admit I don't feel safe anywhere I go.

My point was that when you think people are after you everywhere, there are either people after you everywhere or you're paranoid. If you're interpreting a lack of familiarity with a sub culture in a district in a city I've never heard of with holocaust denial its seriously pointing at the latter.

If you're getting death threats then i can tell you with certainty that there's a lot of the world where things are much better.

Quote:
Also, the conflict between Israel and Iran is going to come to a point eventually. What happens then?

Israel wins. They've fought against worse odds without having the advantage of 50 years of military advancement on their side.

Quote:
Lastly, why did you make fun of the average intelligence levels of the American people? Maybe you were just kidding?

There was a bit of tongue in cheek humor, but a lack of familiarity with a section of a small city in a country half a world away is not indicative of intelligence.


There's certainly some of that: drumming up internal (and external Arabic) support by ranting against Israel.

He may even be serious about wanting Israel destroyed. The question is whether he's willing to guarantee the destruction of his own country, including the loss of his own power and probably his death, to have a chance of destroying Israel. And of whether the real powers in Iran would allow it.

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I think Mahmoud is a politician, and like all politicians is full of bluster. Going Nuclear will just give them global leverage that they've been seriously wanting. He can say what he wants but he isnt going to nuke Israel unless he's backed by the other big global fish that dont give a fig about Israel: Russia and China.

IMO Israel attacking would be a mistake because it would just give validation to their opponents. If it actually happened, Israel would kick Irans teeth in, and Iranian citizens would suffer terribly for having bad leadership (on both sides).


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Actually, what a nuke gives them is what it gives all of the minor nuclear powers: insurance against attack.

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