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Question for PFS: Can multi-classed arcane casters learn from themselves? For instance, if someone was a Wizard 1, Witch 1 could they teach their familiar spells (for witch purposes) from their own spellbook?
What about a sorcerer/wizard? Can he write down how to cast that sorcerer spell he knows?
Other combinations and their effects? (I've never played an arcane caster in PFS, so I have no idea how this would work, and I've read many threads regarding the significant cost of learning new spells by buying scrolls)
He could scribe his sorcerer scrolls, and then write them into his spell book.
For the witch/wizard combo the spell would still have to be made into a scroll first.
Scrolls are not really expensive unless you are trying to learn all of the spells. I generally make a wishlist of spells by level to make sure I get the most important ones.
It is also better to not multiclass if the sole reason is learning spells. The amount of money you will save will not be worth it.
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I'm more curious as to the reason anyone would multiclass two arcane classes in pfs and still be interested in their spells from both classes, but I don't think a witch/wizard multi would be able to teach their familiar anything in their book.
He could scribe his sorcerer scrolls, and then write them into his spell book.
For the witch/wizard combo the spell would still have to be made into a scroll first.
Problem with both of these, You cannot scribe scrolls in pfs as the feat is illegal.
If I were to multiclass two Arcane casters, it'd either be a Wizard/Magus or Sorcerer/Bard, the first possibly being able to share the same spellbook, and the later simply being double spontaneous, but I doubt either combo would be very effective.
The rules don't permit the familiar to learn from spellbooks, only from scrolls. That is why my last post said the spell had to be in scroll form.
Assuming you are playing to level 20 and assuming you take one of the multiclass merging prestige classes then you can wind up with a 20th level spellcaster with 15levels in one class and 15levels in another class.
If both are primary spellcasting classes you miss out on level 9 spells (and level 8 spells for sorcerer/oracle types).
At level 10 you would have a spellcaster with:
Level 7 spell ability in both classes.
For some combinations this could be rather interesting. However, I think most people do not like to sacrifice spell power for spell versatility like that.
- Gauss
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Not in the 4 main hardbacks. There might be one in the new prestige book but I do not have that and will not be purchasing it. I am not interested in most prestige classes.
For that matter, I do not think that Paizo can make that particular prestige class without stepping on WotC's toes. Ultimate Magus was in a splatbook and is therefore off limits.
For non PFS purposes I would update Ultimate Magus or repurpose Mystic Theurge for any spellcaster combo.
- Gauss
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There might be one in the new prestige book but I do not have that and will not be purchasing it. I am not interested in most prestige classes.
It's not in paths of prestige, and for the record paths of prestige content is on the d20pfsrd website now, not that it's a legal source for PFS, but it's helpful for knowing what the legal prestige classes from the book can do.
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It's not in paths of prestige, and for the record paths of prestige content is on the d20pfsrd website now, not that it's a legal source for PFS, but it's helpful for knowing what the legal prestige classes from the book can do.
Several prestige classes from Paths of Prestige are PFS legal. Check the Additional Resources list.
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It's not in paths of prestige, and for the record paths of prestige content is on the d20pfsrd website now, not that it's a legal source for PFS, but it's helpful for knowing what the legal prestige classes from the book can do.Several prestige classes from Paths of Prestige are PFS legal. Check the Additional Resources list.
Uh, thanks, didn't ask. I was saying that d20pfsrd is not a legal source for PFS, but contains all the prestige classes from paths.
The rules don't permit the familiar to learn from spellbooks, only from scrolls. That is why my last post said the spell had to be in scroll form.Yes, you ninja'd me and then again while I was editing to quote you.
I completely forgot PFS does not allow magic item creation feats.
LazarX, did you even read my entire post?
I believe I said something very similar at the end.
- Gauss
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Gauss, how are you playing to Level 20 in PFS?
Retirement arc can bring a PC to 13th level. "Academy of Secrets" and "Tomb of the Iron Medusa" can bring that character to 15th level. I would not recommend playing "The Moonscar" at 15th level, nor "Witchwar Legacy" at 16th level. Even if you did, that would only bring a PC to 17th level.
So, it seems that you're suggesting that a player could play a non-existent class to levels that the campaign doesn't permit.
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As an aside, I'm not sure what you mean by Paizo getting into trouble with Wizards. I suppose, if they just up and reprinted pages 77 - 80 from "Complete Mage" in a Paizo book, that would be a no-no, but seeing as how Pathfinder already has a Magus class, that seems very unlikely.
Are you suggesting that Wizards hold some sort of patent on the very idea of a prestige class that combines prepared and spontaneous arcane casting? That Paizo couldn't come up with a different class that did the same thing?
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In general, Odea, the answer is "no".
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If I were to multiclass two Arcane casters, it'd either be a Wizard/Magus or Sorcerer/Bard, the first possibly being able to share the same spellbook, and the later simply being double spontaneous, but I doubt either combo would be very effective.
The wizard/magus combo is where spell sharing would really beoome important for purposes of using arcane bond/spell combat.
Chris Mortika: I never mentioned PFS. I was simply giving examples of how the prestige class made things work. If you will note I also provided a level 10 example.
Honestly, I missed that this was posted in a PFS forum, my bad. Initially I think it came up on my 'recent posts' feed and I just didnt catch what forum it was in.
As for nonexistant class..I was just explaining how it worked as a general principle. Once again, I was not specifically advocating anything and once again, I failed to notice this was PFS.
To respond to your aside: In general Paizo cannot reproduce things from the splatbooks. Yes, they can sidestep that in a number of ways. However, if they do they would probably not directly reproduce the Ultimate Magus prestige class. They would have to go some other route for the spontaneous + prepared arcane merging prestige class. I am not a lawyer so I do not know where the boundry line is.
- Gauss
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if you're a wizard/alchemist I'm sure you could make fomulae out of your own spell book, same with wizard/magus.but can the wizard/alchemist copy from his formula book to his spell book? (that would be a 'no', I think)
I agree entirely.
I think about it like this.
Witches Familiar's are imbued with magical energies that the witch can harnass through communing.
Wizards are like engineers, they right down every detail of how the magic is formulated in order to make a calculated situation with the energies and components causing the spell to trigger.
Alchemists are able to determine the final product, and "cheat" a lot of the mechanical steps by using magical liquids and junk, so they instead use the "bookspace" to go through the order of application of certain ingridents to achieve the desired result.
Basically wizards have everything covered and everyone else skimps in some way
Again, that is just the way I imagine it :D