If I recall correctly, Distant Worlds had a second print run.
That is exceedingly rare for a soft cover book from what I remember.
They also printed more copies of it than they normally do for Pathfinder Campaign Setting products, and still had to make a second print run.
I'm no Financomancer and don't have any hard data, but if Distant Worlds is seen as a litmus test for how people would react to a Numerian book, such a book would sell well.
Man I was all over Distant Worlds. I was delighted that it had been published.
And seriously, I'll buy it again if it gets me a Numeria book.
hmm.. Skill: Craft Numerian Technology.
DC 10, you can reload a spent blaster
DC 15, you can turn the CCTV cameras on a spaceship using a perfectly well working computer
DC 25, you can fix a slighly broken blaster
DC 50, You can build a blaster from some adamant, a bit of silver and..
2nd print run in less than a year too
So yeah...I am inclined to think a Numerian CS book or even an AP would do well
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Dear Paizo, I'm waiting 5 years for this.
I'm not starting a thread about it every day.
I'm not saying that there is some anti-Numeria conspiracy at the office.
I'm not saying "SKR KILLED MY NUMERIA".
I'm not making detailed analysis of how many pages of setting material have NOT BEEN ABOUT NUMERIA every week.
I'm not getting any Monks in there.
But I really, really want that book because I know you can do it right :)
We should make a poll about a Numeria book.
And that's a rather low blow, considering not everyone who wants a Monk fix is that obnoxious about it.
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Pathfinder fans really suffer from robot-fetish it seems. :S
I think fantasy lovers are growing more and more rare,
I've been a fan of fantasy my whole life.
My second favorite planet in the Golarionverse after Golarion itself? Verces. It has high technology and cybernetics. It is also a fantasy setting.
Fantasy doesn't stop being fantasy the moment someone creates a gun. Or a robot. Or a spaceship.
Fantasy is more than a low level of technology. Restricting it as such only sells fantasy far short of what it really is, and all that it can be.
Some days I want a peasant hero in medieval garb weilding a trusty blade who wants to save his village.
And other days I want an augmented God-Vessel vercite riding along streets of steel and silver on his hoverbike who wants to protect the peace against demonic and Eoxian incursion.
Both are fantasy.
Y'know....there's a super popular fantasy franchise that started with a simple farm boy being thrust into a fantastic situation. I think he even got a special sword at the beginning.
Pathfinder fans really suffer from robot-fetish it seems. :S
I think fantasy lovers are growing more and more rare,
I've been a fan of fantasy my whole life.
My second favorite planet inthe Golarionverse after Golarion itself? Verces. It has high technology and cybernetics. It is also a fantasy setting.
Fantasy doesn't stop being fantasy the moment someone creates a gun. Or a robot. Or a spaceship.
Fantasy is more than a low level of technology. Restricting it as such only sells fantasy far short of what it really is, and all that it can be.
Case in point, Star Wars technically counts as Science Fantasy.
Parody is protected speech :*We should make a poll about a Numeria book.
And that's a rather low blow, considering not everyone who wants a Monk fix is that obnoxious about it.
Parodies are supposed to be funny.
Sadly, I didn't find yours to be such D:
Case in point, Star Wars technically counts as Science Fantasy.Pathfinder fans really suffer from robot-fetish it seems. :S
I think fantasy lovers are growing more and more rare,
I've been a fan of fantasy my whole life.
My second favorite planet inthe Golarionverse after Golarion itself? Verces. It has high technology and cybernetics. It is also a fantasy setting.
Fantasy doesn't stop being fantasy the moment someone creates a gun. Or a robot. Or a spaceship.
Fantasy is more than a low level of technology. Restricting it as such only sells fantasy far short of what it really is, and all that it can be.
Science? There was science somewhere in SW? I probably missed it when I was blinking... ;)
Parodies are supposed to be funny.
In minds of their creators, yes. Many of them aren't as funny once they see the light of the day, regretfully. :(
Many aren't seen as funny by those that are being lampooned. It's the nature of the beast.
Many aren't seen as funny by those that are being lampooned. It's the nature of the beast.
You make it sound like I'm one of those whiny ones.
Trust me, I've yet to make a single thread to rant about Monks.
Many aren't seen as funny by those that are being lampooned. It's the nature of the beast.You make it sound like I'm one of those whiny ones.
Trust me, I've yet to make a single thread to rant about Monks.
I know you haven't, but the statement still is true. I wouldn't be impressed with satire panning bards, because I agree that Bards are the most awesome thing ever.
Anyways...
Numeria! While not Numeria!, Pathfinder #66 will have some clockwork goodness, and I believe most people who are a fan of one will enjoy the other.
Science? There was science somewhere in SW? I probably missed it when I was blinking... ;)
I think it appeared somewhere between Han's redefining of the term 'parsec' and the midichlorians. :)
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Pathfinder fans really suffer from robot-fetish it seems. :S
I think fantasy lovers are growing more and more rare, Maybe somebody should start a science-fiction themed D&D/pathfinder company, I think you can become rich in doing so, as robot lovers are great in number. (too bad)
I'm HAPPY that the winter AP is already in the making, but after that I fear I have to skip 6 months of AP because I really don't feel anything for a Final fantasy/Terminator based adventure and most of all bestiaries full of terminators and I.T's...
I rather see a book about Numeria, but an AP, no please. (or maybe if the bestiaries aren't crawling with robot-skum
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I won't get into the rest of the Appendix N list, but it's safe to say the trend of Sci-Fi and S&P pre-dating most traditional fantasy, or going hand-in-hand, continues with the remaining authors on the list (Lin Carter, L. Sprague de Camp, etc).
I really like the idea of a Numeria AP but it is a bit of a stretch to say that Princess of Mars pre-dates The Hobbit therefore "Sci-Fi and S&P pre-dating most traditional fantasy".
To be blunt, Gilgamesh dates back to the 18th Century BC and The Iliad has been regarded as 'fantasy' (rather than history/religion) for more than a thousand years.
Fantasy has roots so deep that they pre-date modern notions of sci-fi by hundreds of years.
And, in any case, the historical data for s&p et al does not invalidate the concept of 'pure fantasy' in any way.
I know Sincubus' tone might be read as a bit superior but there's no need to create some kind of who-came-first contest out of it in response.
I'm cool with making the point that Sci-Fi and S&P have honourable traditions but not with spurious claims about what came first.
To be honest, what came first is pretty meaningless: Don Quixote is often described as the first modern novel; it's pretty good but there are a lot of better books out there. That 'first' claim might say something About Cervantes' originality but it does nothing for the quality of the novel.
To my mind, being really ace is way more important than being first. There are some places where those go hand-in-hand (sprinting, for example) but fiction and RPGs aint one of them. Hard wheels pre-dates inflated tyres, I know which I would rather have on my car.
The thing to point out to Sincubus is that Barrier Peaks was a wicked-awesome adventure and we want more of that.
I'll tell you why I'd prefer a book rather than an AP.
AP modules tend to include EVERYTHING that is officially approved and canon. In a hypotetical Numerian AP you'd be likely to find races from the Advanced Races Guide, monsters from the Bestiary 3, classes from Ultimate Combat, archetypes from the Advanced Players' Guide, spells from Ultimate Magic and so on.
If, in your campaign, you only use Core Rulebook material, with just something from the APG thrown in to add flavour, you'd be in for a lot of money to spend or a lot of work to do to convert/adapt/adjust encounters and NPCs.
Give a me a book on Numeria with some basic information and let me build "my own" Numeria based on what I use in my campaign. I still may need to make adjuments and corrections for the occasional Dhampir ninja/magus NPC, but it should amount to less work than having to rewrite half of the adventure.
OK, now, having said that, I still would totally dig a Numerian AP. :)
Numeria AP that goes into space. Epic. *digs through Edgar Rice Burroughs collection*
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I have always loved the Numeria setting and not because of the sci-fi element as such but because of the alien environment it can create for players. The best game(s) I ever ran was in set in one of the fallen spaceships with my players' characters being in a constant state of confusion and fear because of the huge disconnect between fantasy and sci-fi.
A book on Numeria containing rules for class archetypes (the biggest let down of PoP was the lack of Technic League stuff), technology, NPCs and monsters would be a wish come true for me. An AP would be amazing but of slightly less importance to me.
As for the whole "Sci-fi in my fantasy" debate, I don't think it is really all that applicable for Numeria because it would be less Shadowrun more High Crusade meets Event Horizon in my opinion.
The complication in making something like a Numeria book is "how many people will buy it?" While the message board might make a good initial sampling, it's not a good spectrum of all Pathfinder players. A better sample would be if you had some kind of publishing history that could be investigated.
Say, Distant Worlds. How well did that book do? Then assume that a Numeria book is likely to sell better, because it doesn't involve "leaving" the campaign setting to use it.
Really good point! Does anyone know how well Distant Worlds did? I know I bought the heck out of it and am STILL loving it and reading it. Weekly. Just to make my eyes happy.
Distant Worlds sold out even though they printed more than usual and (also unusually for a campaign sourcebook) Paizo ordered a second printing.
Anyhow - the answer is that it did very, very well. :)
And I haven't purchased it yet. *looks sadly at his empty wallet*
And I haven't purchased it yet. *looks sadly at his empty wallet*Red dragons complaining about empty wallets...
I blame rampant adventurers.
Sword and Planet, I guess.
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The complication in making something like a Numeria book is "how many people will buy it?" While the message board might make a good initial sampling, it's not a good spectrum of all Pathfinder players. A better sample would be if you had some kind of publishing history that could be investigated.
Say, Distant Worlds. How well did that book do? Then assume that a Numeria book is likely to sell better, because it doesn't involve "leaving" the campaign setting to use it.
Distant Worlds sold out and is now in its second printing.
Just saying.
Want. Me want Numeria stuff. And cookies. But Numeria stuff more.
I also want a Galt/Andoran AP, but I'll be happy whenever I get it. Do Numeria.
And if Shattered Star is polarizing, count me in the "happy" crowd. I trust you guys.
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The complication in making something like a Numeria book is "how many people will buy it?" While the message board might make a good initial sampling, it's not a good spectrum of all Pathfinder players. A better sample would be if you had some kind of publishing history that could be investigated.
Say, Distant Worlds. How well did that book do? Then assume that a Numeria book is likely to sell better, because it doesn't involve "leaving" the campaign setting to use it.
Distant Worlds did VERY well.
A Numeria book, at this point, is only a matter of time, in my opinion. I'm convinced that there's a very strong desire to see Numeria stuff. That, combined with my very strong desire to DO Numeria stuff = inevitability. Not SWIFT inevitability, but inevitability nonetheless.
Inevitability is hard to spell.
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Inevitability is hard to spell.
You can always use the Polish word for it, which is:
NIEUNIKNIONOŚĆ
see, that much easier ^^
In all seriousness, this is great news!
Wait, will we tell him about his NIEUNIKNIONYCH struggles with declination if he decides so, or let him discover on his own?
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Wait, will we tell him about his NIEUNIKNIONYCH struggles with declination if he decides so, or let him discover on his own?
Inevitability is hard to spell.
You can always use the Polish word for it, which is:
NIEUNIKNIONOŚĆ
see, that much easier ^^
In all seriousness, this is great news!
Imagine how joyously happy about the simplicities of English language will the T-rex be once he discovers that!
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Inevitability is hard to spell.
You can always use the Polish word for it, which is:
NIEUNIKNIONOŚĆ
see, that much easier ^^
Yeah, that Uncyclopedia entry you linked me way back when was on the money.
Also, hells yeah to more Numeria stuff. I at least want the possibility for PCs to get drunk and attempt to ride the Annihilator/Scorpionbot to be available in the setting. :D
GM: So what are your character's goals?
PC: To get drunk. And ride that.
GM: We now have our campaign.
Haunted wrecked spaceships with alien ghosts too plz! :D
I'll pray this doesn't go from worse to EVEn worse, turning this cool pathfinder into a horror spacelazer warhammer based something...
I'll pray this doesn't go from worse to EVEn worse, turning this cool pathfinder into a horror spacelazer warhammer based something...
Highly doubtful, considering the mindset of most Pathfinder players.
NUMERIA!
I'd love a Numerian sourcebook. Especially to help flesh out the backstory of my Rise character. A campaign that'll start in probably 4 months, tops.
No pressure.
I'll pray this doesn't go from worse to EVEn worse, turning this cool pathfinder into a horror spacelazer warhammer based something...Highly doubtful, considering the mindset of most Pathfinder players.
After reading the pages of this numerian topic I doubt people want Red Caps, Kelpies, Minotaurs and Dragons at all, they seem more into robots, It's, space hippo's and terminators dressed in reallife clothes and armed with lazershields and guns.
Well, at least you can take solace in the fact that I'm not one of them.
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After reading the pages of this numerian topic I doubt people want Red Caps, Kelpies, Minotaurs and Dragons at all, they seem more into robots, It's, space hippo's and terminators dressed in reallife clothes and armed with lazershields and guns.I'll pray this doesn't go from worse to EVEn worse, turning this cool pathfinder into a horror spacelazer warhammer based something...Highly doubtful, considering the mindset of most Pathfinder players.
Nobody is telling you that Redcaps, Kelpies, Minotaurs and Dragons are silly, stupid and childish, so how about you stop crapping on other's tastes? I get that you have a very narrow idea what "fantasy" is and any deviation from "dragons and princesses" makes you shiver in disgust, but nobody is *forcing* you to fill your games with lazer hippos.