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Osirion

"1.Only items, feats, boons, or abilities found on the Chronicle sheet are legal for play.
2.Each player must have a copy of the Chronicle sheet with his or her character at all times.
3.In order for the Chronicle sheet to be considered legal for play, the player must show to the GM a copy of the Pathfinder Tales novel, either in printed or digital format.
4.A Chronicle sheet may be applied to each character the player currently has or creates in the future."

Question 1) Do you get PP and XP on these chronicles? Do you get gold?
Do you get the items listed on the chronicle or just "ACCESS" to the items listed? *In other words- Does it act like a regular scenario chronicle?

Question 2) According to item 4 at the top- Do you really apply the PF Tales chronicle to ALL your characters? Including any xp, pp, or gold that you might earn? (See previous question)

Question 3) If you are bringing in a Physical Book, what's to stop someone from going down to the local library, checking it out and bringing it to game? Or several players each buying a different Tale and then trading books each session until they all have a chronicle for all the books bought?

Even tho the PDFs have to have your name in the watermark, players arent required to have proof of purchase for the physical books.
I guess, they could start making players fill out reading comprehension questionnaires or write book reports... They could even start making GMs report the unique serial number for each book (just as they report scenarios) and put their signature in the book... BUT- Currently there is no requirement for you to OWN(the physical book), or have even READ the PF Tales to get a chronicle for them. Currently, you only need to SHOW the GM your book.

As a matter of fact, If you do decide to go in with your friends to split the cost of buying books, I would recommend buying the books used to begin with if your local library doesnt have them. I also recommend donating them to your local library once you are done with them so that other people can enjoy them.

Sczarni *** Venture-Lieutenant, Connecticut—Manchester aka Cpt_kirstov

Answer 1) No you only get access to what is included on the sheet, which is boons and access to an item or two usually, no gold/xp is earned (on the boons those are blank) you cannot roll for day jobs on these.

2+3) I'd have to check the exact wording on the guide to OP before I can answer this

***** Venture-Captain, Wisconsin—Madison aka Mat Black

Vixeryz wrote:

"1.Only items, feats, boons, or abilities found on the Chronicle sheet are legal for play.

2.Each player must have a copy of the Chronicle sheet with his or her character at all times.
3.In order for the Chronicle sheet to be considered legal for play, the player must show to the GM a copy of the Pathfinder Tales novel, either in printed or digital format.
4.A Chronicle sheet may be applied to each character the player currently has or creates in the future."

Question 1) Do you get PP and XP on these chronicles? Do you get gold?
Do you get the items listed on the chronicle or just "ACCESS" to the items listed? *In other words- Does it act like a regular scenario chronicle?

you do not get xp, pp, or gold for the boon. nor do you get a day job roll.

Vixeryz wrote:
Question 2) According to item 4 at the top- Do you really apply the PF Tales chronicle to ALL your characters? Including any xp, pp, or gold that you might earn? (See previous question)

you get access to the items, just like a normal chronicle.

Vixeryz wrote:
Question 3) If you are bringing in a Physical Book, what's to stop someone from going down to the local library, checking it out and bringing it to game? Or several players each buying a different Tale and then trading books each session until they all have a chronicle for all the books bought?

the short answer is "nothing," with the exception of a library version, which i personally wouldn't let slide (though some GM's may, and I don't have a beef with that). while the long term goal is certainly to sell more Pathfinder Tales novels, the point of the boons is to expose players to the novels.

Vixeryz wrote:

Even tho the PDFs have to have your name in the watermark, players arent required to have proof of purchase for the physical books.

I guess, they could start making players fill out reading comprehension questionnaires or write book reports... They could even start making GMs report the unique serial number for each book (just as they report scenarios) and put their signature in the book... BUT- Currently there is no requirement for you to OWN(the physical book), or have even READ the PF Tales to get a chronicle for them. Currently, you only need to SHOW the GM your book.

that is correct. the hope, obviously, is that players will want to buy at least some of the novels for themselves. the original idea was that players should own the novels, but it has mentioned before that for physical books, you do not need to have any sort of proof of purchase, as that's pretty much impossible to enforce and Paizo doesn't roll like that.

there's certainly no requirement to read the book, but honestly, reading them is their own reward. they're good.

also, books don't have serial numbers unique to each copy.

Vixeryz wrote:
As a matter of fact, If you do decide to go in with your friends to split the cost of buying books, I would recommend buying the books used to begin with if your local library doesnt have them. I also recommend donating them to your local library once you are done with them so...

if that's the way you want to handle it, no one's going to stop you (and, in fact, it helps to identify certain kinds of player archetypes ahead of time, which is incredibly useful for organizers). however, i would recommend supporting a good company so that they'll have every opportunity to continue on with what they're doing.

Andoran ***

As mentioned:

1) Pathfinder Tales chronicles do not provide any gold, XP, PP, nor a day job roll. The chronicle simply offers a minor boon with a flavor reminescent of the story in the book, and access to an item of note from the book.

2) Yes, you can apply a chronicle for every Pathfinder Tales book you show to a GM and get their signature on the relevant chronicle sheet, to every one of your PCs, both current and future.

3) Most libraries have stamps, clear book tape and various identifying characteristics on the books that they lend out, like having tags added on the binding with the numeric code for where the book would get shelved, etc.

Sharing a copy among friends is less noticeable, but, if you like the book, the odds favor having to purchase another copy once the original starts falling apart through wear-and-tear. Which is why most library books wind up covered in book tape...

Anecdote time:

The only Pathfinder Tales book I currently own was a table prize that our then-extent Venture Captain gave me as a reward for being one of the active local GMs.

More recently, I brought it with to a local convention, along with a stack of copies of the chronicle for it, for a GM besides myself to sign, and the GM I asked signed one of the sheets, and said, "Just make photocopies of the signed chronicle for each of your PCs." Heh.

Of course, he shied away since I had brought along something like 12 copies of the chronicle, since I have 13 active (1 or more chronicles with an XP & GP value assigned) PCs for PFSOP.

Osirion

Thanks, I couldnt exactly find any policy or whatever regarding physical books. It still doesnt specifically say that GMs may not award xp or pp (at least nowhere that I could find) But i guess if the area where they would put "max gold" is either blank or says '0' then I can understand why there wouldnt be.

As for the guy who wouldnt allow library books- I'll have you know that the library (at least the one in my city) SELLS books after they've had them for awhile. So If I buy a book from the library, it will still have all the stickers and stamps and what-not. They only remove the barcode (for the bookscanner at the checkout desk) and the sticker with the dewey-decimal thing. So, if you wont allow library books- technically you couldnt allow used books period. In fact- I've even seen books at other used bookstores that were once library books. (they had the "Property of library" stamp on the inside cover) My city is huge on recycling books.

Its only cheating if you break the rules, if there is no rule explicitly regarding a given action- you cant get in trouble for it.


Vixeryz wrote:

Its only cheating if you break the rules, if there is no rule explicitly regarding a given action- you cant get in trouble for it.

I was with you up till this.

Andoran **

The only Pathfinder book I own in Physical copy is the main core rulebook. Between Herolab and pdf, I do have a lot of other ones. Via my local print/bind/laminate place I combined a the society field guide (my pdf) and the Guide to organised play into one bound volume.

As a Librarian myself, I find it very interesting what some libraries do with older books (ie disposal, selling etc). What is interesting in this case is that your library would actually stock RPG books on its shelves. Generally its a pretty niche style of book, although in a sense its very cool that they do.

Shadow Lodge ***** Venture-Captain, Michigan—Alma

Matthew... They're talking about the Pathfinder Tales novels, not rule books.

Paizo Employee ***** Global Organized Play Coordinator

Vixeryz wrote:

Thanks, I couldnt exactly find any policy or whatever regarding physical books. It still doesnt specifically say that GMs may not award xp or pp (at least nowhere that I could find) But i guess if the area where they would put "max gold" is either blank or says '0' then I can understand why there wouldnt be.

Its only cheating if you break the rules, if there is no rule explicitly regarding a given action- you cant get in trouble for it.

This should cover it -- "1.Only items, feats, boons, or abilities found on the Chronicle sheet are legal for play.

Literally it means only the items, feats, boons or abilities that are led on the Chronicle are the only valid items legal for play. Nowhere in that sentence does it say xp and pp from this Chronicle are legal for play.

However, I will make sure that this get added to the FAQ tomorrow. Thanks for pointing it out.

The FAQ will advise these do not award xp, PP or GP.

***** Venture-Captain, Wisconsin—Madison aka Mat Black

Vixeryz wrote:
As for the guy who wouldnt allow library books- I'll have you know that the library (at least the one in my city) SELLS books after they've had them for awhile. So If I buy a book from the library, it will still have all the stickers and stamps and what-not. They only remove the barcode (for the bookscanner at the checkout desk) and the sticker with the dewey-decimal thing. So, if you wont allow library books- technically you couldnt allow used books period. In fact- I've even seen books at other used bookstores that were once library books. (they had the "Property of library" stamp on the inside cover) My city is huge on recycling books.

yeah, a lot of libraries do that. they're generally stamped as being sold from that library, so they're very easy to recognize. by not allowing library books, i'm not talking about books that have been sold by a library, but ones that have just been checked out (i.e., what most of the world assumes you mean when you say "library book.").

Vixeryz wrote:
Its only cheating if you break the rules, if there is no rule explicitly regarding a given action- you cant get in trouble for it.

wow.

Grand Lodge *****

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Vixeryz wrote:
Its only cheating if you break the rules, if there is no rule explicitly regarding a given action- you cant get in trouble for it.

Wow, as well. I suggest you ask your GM if they agree and follow this belief. Otherwise, you might often be disappointed during your game, rather than before it.

Kinevon wrote:

The only Pathfinder Tales book I currently own was a table prize that our then-extent Venture Captain gave me as a reward for being one of the active local GMs.

More recently, I brought it with to a local convention, along with a stack of copies of the chronicle for it, for a GM besides myself to sign, and the GM I asked signed one of the sheets, and said, "Just make photocopies of the signed chronicle for each of your PCs." Heh.

Of course, he shied away since I had brought along something like 12 copies of the chronicle, since I have 13 active (1 or more chronicles with an XP & GP value assigned) PCs for PFSOP.

Actually, your GM was just following the rules in the PFSOP Guide. It says:

PFSOP Guide 4.2, page 28, Pathfinder Tales Novels wrote:

As a way of encouraging Pathfinder Society players to learn more about the Pathfinder Campaign Setting, characters may receive a Chronicle sheet for select Pathfinder Tales novels. To receive a Chronicle sheet for such a book, the player should print a copy of the Chronicle sheet, available on the Additional Resources list at paizo.com/pathfindersociety/about/additionalresources

and bring it along with a copy of the associated novel to a Pathfinder Society event. Before or after the game session, simply show the Game Master your copy of the book (either a physical copy or a name-watermarked digital ePub or PDF) to gain a signature on your Chronicle sheet. You may apply copies of this Chronicle sheet to any of your player characters. Once you have a signed Chronicle sheet, it serves as proof of purchase, and you no longer need to bring a copy of the book with you as you would an Additional Resource.

Sczarni

As a librarian, I'd like for library books to count.

Keep in mind that checking PFT books out from the library can benefit Paizo's sales too, indirectly. That's because if a book series has a lot of circulation, the library is much more likely to keep buying the future books in that series. So if the PFT books get checked out a lot by PFS players, libraries are more likely to buy the books in the future.

Obviously this isn't as good for immediate sales as having every PFS player buy their own copies, but it might be better for the overall visibility of the PFT line in general, especially outside of existing PFS participants. And that could be better for Paizo in the long run.

(Also, if your local public library doesn't have any PFT novels, you could probably generate a sale for Paizo by just asking them to buy a couple. They're cheap paperbacks, and most libraries will be happy to purchase them on a patron's recommendation.)

Grand Lodge *****

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I believe the intent of the PT Novel Chronicles is to reward players who have READ a particular book as that is someone who knows a little bit more about the Pathfinder Mythos. Since there is no practical way to test for this knowledge, possession of the book is used as proof instead. In this light, showing a "checked out" library's copy of the book should work just as well.

This is really one of those rules that requires player's honor. I mean, how difficult would it be for a player to pull the book off of the library or store's shelf during a game and show it to their GM, claiming it was theirs?

**

Where do you find the chronical sheets for the books?

Paizo Employee ***** Global Organized Play Coordinator

JOHN DICKERSON wrote:
Where do you find the chronical sheets for the books?

HERE on the right side of the page.

Qadira ****

heck, and don't be a jerk about getting them signed.

I've got 7 different PF Tales books that there are chronicles for (are there any more in print?), most are great reads. I limit myself to one PF tale chronical per game - so the judge doesn't go crazy with me. 7 books times 8 PCs gives ... "sign these 56 chronicles please"!!! LOL! that would put me in the catagory of "Jerk".

One of my regular judges asks for a "verbal report on the book" - which I am happy to give him. It's all in fun, and if we are tight for time, it goes back in the travel case unsigned.

I kind of like the PF Tales - it gives a better background for the world. Need to understand what an Atheist is in PF? read Death's Heratic. You get to meet an Atheist that works for a god.

Shadow Lodge ****

nosig, I see you have 2 stars, That means you're a GM. Sign your own Tales chronicles.

You might even consider getting a stamp to replace your signature with. I did and it's made filling out chronicle sheets way easier.

Andoran *

I've read three myself (I own four more but won't ask for signatures on the Chronicle sheets until I've read them), and they've all been enjoyable. Death's Heretic is my favorite so far, but they've all been noticeably above average as far as shared world fiction goes.

Hopefully there's not a lot of cheating, as the books are worth reading. Also, the boons are relatively modest, from what I can see, and shouldn't unbalance things in favor of those who have/have read the books.

I didn't know that I could have the Chronicle Sheets applied to multiple characters. I thought it was a use-it-once per player thing. Good to know.

Qadira ****

Pirate Rob wrote:

nosig, I see you have 2 stars, That means you're a GM. Sign your own Tales chronicles.

You might even consider getting a stamp to replace your signature with. I did and it's made filling out chronicle sheets way easier.

I don't actually feel comfortable signing my own chronicles. It's always felt a bit odd signing the Judge credit ones...

I have a stamp for my number (and for event numbers for a CON) but I do the signature with a pen. Guess I could do a stamp...

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