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Help me figure out a class for my friend...


Advice


Ideally, he wants:

A familiar
some cleric-like spells
Solid melee, TWF
some rogue skills

Multi classing is ok, but I think he wants too broad a build... So whats the best class that uses his 20 str the best?


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A one Class answer: Ranger.

I think he's asking for too much,
The world has a rule; "Give and Take" or better known as "Equivalent Exchange"


You could take Minor and Major Magic as a Rogue and pick up the Familiar feat.

You could multiclass Rogue/Ranger

You could multiclass Rogue/Diviner(1)/Fighter (to pick lost BAB back up)

You could do other stuff. Will post more later. Have lots of opinions on TWF.

Sczarni

Alchemist.

Tumor Familiar.
Cure Spells.
Vivisectionist Beastmorph.
Gets all the skills Rogues do.


Theres a saying when it comes to tinkering with cars.

Fast, Cheap or Reliable

Pick two.


Druid.

Best familiar.
Great divine spell list.
Can be excellent in melee, via wildshape.
Skills ain't bad either.

If they want less magic and more combat, go ranger. If they can pass on the familiar, inquisitor is worth a look also.


Magus could work. It doesn't have a lot of cleric spells, but it has solid melee, spells, and a familiar if you pick up the arcana for it. Maguses can also have a lot of rogue skills with the proper traits. Spellstrike is like TWF, right?

Urban ranger is probably your best bet though. Trapfinding, solid TWF, divine spells, and an animal companion.


I'd say a Inquisitor, but they're pretty feat starved for TWF. Eve more so if you want to take Eldritch Heritage (Arcane Bloodline) to get a Familiar. (The Animal/Feather domain can get you an Animal Companion).

If this is a home game, maybe you could consider letting him take the TWF feats instead of Teamwork feats? (That is, as long as there is no other Inquisitor or TWFing character in the party, or they'll be pissed)


Evil Lincoln wrote:

Druid.

Best familiar.
Great divine spell list.
Can be excellent in melee, via wildshape.
Skills ain't bad either.

If they want less magic and more combat, go ranger. If they can pass on the familiar, inquisitor is worth a look also.

Urban Druid makes you the best rogueyskills druid ever, but then you lose the animal companion.

But, yeah, uh. The best way to do that list WITH a 20 str is ranger. The only way you're going to TWF with a starting str of 20 is as a ranger. If the 20 str is non-negotiable, ranger is the only answer.


Bard.


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As others have stated you can gain the familiar through the Eldritch Heritage feat for the arcane bloodline and thus add it to every class, so I'll skip that.

TWF and 20 STR: Ranger is probably the best, also gains a few cleric like (i.e. divine) spells like cure light wounds etc.

Bard is universally useful, but TWF is less easy.

Two-Weapon Warrior fighter archetype gets some nice tricks, but as with all builds but the ranger (or monk) you need high dex for the TWF tree. Also gets many skills.

Paladin with a high dex would be quite viable as well.

For the familiar itself you might want to consider the improved familiar feat later on.

So all in all, I suggest the ranger route and eldritch heritage.


Wait, 20 STR? I didn't see that. What are his other attributes, and how flexible are they? That will kinda give you an indication of where to go.


Redchigh wrote:

Ideally, he wants:

A familiar
some cleric-like spells
Solid melee, TWF
some rogue skills

Multi classing is ok, but I think he wants too broad a build... So whats the best class that uses his 20 str the best?

No single class can give all of this. If he wasn't TWF I would just say cleric or druid (probably druid for the extra skill points) with an animal domain.

Otherwise he'll probably have to multiclass or cough up for 13 cha and then take eldritch heritage (arcane) for a familiar on a ranger?


Redchigh wrote:

Ideally, he wants:

A familiar
some cleric-like spells
Solid melee, TWF
some rogue skills

Multi classing is ok, but I think he wants too broad a build... So whats the best class that uses his 20 str the best?

Probably a melee-specced druid, with their animal companion.

If you want a challange build, you could probably run a Witch instead, harder to melee spec, (though touch spells and the Nails hex make it possible, not to mention Prehensile Hair for free hand grappling.) but the right hexes let you heal surprising amounts of damage without burning spell slots, and they come with a true familiar.


Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

Heretic Inquisitor of Achaekek with the Serpent Domain.
Choose the Find Traps spell for one of your spells.
Select the Vagabond Child trait.
With this you gain:

Awesome two-weapon fighting weapon.

Snake Familiar.

Wisdom for Bluff and Stealth.

Cleric spells.

6 skill points per level.

Awesome perception.

Trap abilities.

Stealth capabilities.


I like what Blackbloodtroll is suggesting. He'll be able to tell someone the sky is orange and have them believe him too.


Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

Indeed. You will also have great sense motive.

The great thing about two weapon fighting with Sawtooth Sabres, is though it treated as a light weapon for the purposes of two weapon fighting penalties, it is still a one handed weapon, and can be wielded with two hands for x1.5 strength to damage.

The Serpent Domain will also allow you to squeeze into small places, and grant you a +3 bonus to Bluff.

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