Skills and multiclassing


Rules Questions


lets say your a rogue (training disable device) and you add a fighter level (gaining 2 skill point + int) ,
since the last level you added dont have disable device has a class skill , do you need to put 2 points to add 1 ranks or does it still a class skill since you had rogue level before?


In Pathfinder, all skills are purchased at a 1 point for 1 rank basis, regardless of if they're a class skill or not.

The only difference between a class skill and a non-class skill is the +3 bonus on class skills.

That also means that any skill that's a class skill for any of your classes count as a class skill for the character as a whole.


Are.. Not sure you'd get the +3 bonus if you were to take your first rank in a skill that was not a class skill WHEN you took it.

I.e. the example above. if he took no ranks in Disable device at 1st then tried to put 1 rank in as a fighter... since it's not a class skill at that time, I don't think the +3 would apply? But if he then put another rank in WHILE it was a class skill he'd get the bump?

That's how I read it anyways?

Edit*
I guess I got that idea from 3.5. your class skill list encompasses class skills from all classes you have levels in per
Using Skills


It's still a class skill for the character.

PRD, Skills wrote:
If you select a level in a new class, all of its class skills are automatically added to your list of class skills"

The Skill rules for Pathfinder don't care when you placed the point into the skill. All it cares about is if you have at least 1 rank in the skill, and if the skill is a class skill for at least one of your classes.

Edit: Yes, 3.5's skill system was far more punishing.

Sczarni

SRD wrote:
If you select a level in a new class, all of its class skills are automatically added to your list of class skills, and you gain a +3 bonus on these skills if you have ranks in them.

I read it the same way Are does. That is, once a class skill, always a class skill.

My rationale is that it says if you gain a new class it's skills are added to your list of class skills.

"Your" being the key word. If you are a Rogue/Fighter, Disable Device is a class skill for you. The only time it wouldn't be a class skill for you is if you were just a Fighter (assuming of course you don't gain it as a class skill another way, such as a trait or what have you).

I don't know if that is RAW, but that's how I'd play it.

Sczarni

Frickin Ninja'd.

Speaking of which, Ninja's have a fantastic list of class skills...

Grand Lodge

It does not matter if it was not a class skill when you put a rank in it.
If you have a rank in it, and it is now a class skill, you get a +3 bonus.

None of this bullcrap of figuring out when you put a rank in it.

That silliness was removed in Pathfinder, and it's one of my favorite changes.


BltzKrg242 wrote:

Are.. Not sure you'd get the +3 bonus if you were to take your first rank in a skill that was not a class skill WHEN you took it.

I.e. the example above. if he took no ranks in Disable device at 1st then tried to put 1 rank in as a fighter... since it's not a class skill at that time, I don't think the +3 would apply? But if he then put another rank in WHILE it was a class skill he'd get the bump?

That's how I read it anyways?

Acquiring Skills: Each level, your character gains a number of skill ranks dependent upon your class plus your Intelligence modifier. [...] In addition, each class has a number of favored skills, called class skills. [...] You gain a +3 bonus on all class skills that you put ranks into. If you have more than one class and both grant you a class skill bonus, these bonuses do not stack. [...] If you select a level in a new class, all of its class skills are automatically added to your list of class skills, and you gain a +3 bonus on these skills if you have ranks in them.

It doesn't matter whether or not the class you're taking at the time of spending a skill point treats it as a class skill... but whether any of your classes has it as a class skill at the time of taking the skill. Therefore, if a rogue takes a level of fighter and invests his first point in Disable Device, he would indeed immediately get the +3 bonus because he already has levels in rogue.

EDIT: I, too have been ninja'd... *hangs head in shame*


oh wow , im ashamed now lol
guess the 2 points for 1 rank is a left over from 3.5


How do the skill ranks per level work? Like the witch gives you 2 plus the int modifier and the rogue gives you 8 plus the int modifier. Would I gain 10 plus my int modifier or would it depend on the class I'm leveling up?


Bobby Martin 256 wrote:
How do the skill ranks per level work? Like the witch gives you 2 plus the int modifier and the rogue gives you 8 plus the int modifier. Would I gain 10 plus my int modifier or would it depend on the class I'm leveling up?

It depends on which class you gain levels in. You get 2+Int Mod for each level of Witch and 8+Int Mod for each level of Rogue.


That's what I was wondering. I read that everything else like the battle, save numbers and skills from the multiple classes stack, is this true? I'm a bit of a newbie at this and I'm asking these questions so I can understand it better.


Pathfinder Starfinder Maps, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Yes the BAB and saving throw modifiers stack.

I'm not sure what you mean by skills stacking.

As explained above, if a skill is a class skill for any of your classes, you get the +3 modifier. Pathfinder doesn't have exclusive skills like 3.0 and 3.5 had -- anyone can put ranks into any skill regardless of class.

The maximum number of ranks in a skill is determined by your character level -- the sum of all levels in all classes. The number of skill ranks you get depends on the mix of classes you have plus any Int modifier.


If there are new skills they add on to the list of skills you already have. Do the hit die stack too?


Pathfinder Maps Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Bobby Martin 256 wrote:

If there are new skills they add on to the list of skills you already have. Do the hit die stack too?

Hit dice and skills are two very similar issues.

Of course, every time your character advances in level, he gets some more hit points, depending on the class he advances in. A 3rd-level fighter who takes another level of fighter gets 1d10+(CON bonus) extra hit points, but if he instead takes a level in wizard he gets only 1d6+ (CON bonus) extra hit points. In both cases hit dice do stack.

Now let's say our fighter has an INT of 14. For his first three levels he got 2+ (INT bonus) skill points per level, for a total of 12 skill points at level three, which he can invest in any skills he likes, even ones that are not class skills, at a cost of 1 point for 1 rank, to a maximum of 3 ranks in any one skill. Now if he decides to take a level in rogue for his 4th level, he'll get 8+ (INT bonus) extra skill points to invest, insterad of only 2+ (INT bonus) if he'd taken another level of fighter. He also gets a bunch of new "class skills", giving him a +3 bonus in a bunch of extra skills.


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Now let's say our fighter has an INT of 14. For his first three levels he got 2+ (INT bonus) skill points per level, for a total of 12 skill points at level three, which he can invest in any skills he likes, even ones that are not class skills, at a cost of 1 point for 1 rank, to a maximum of 3 ranks in any one skill. Now if he decides to take a level in rogue for his 4th level, he'll get 8+ (INT bonus) extra skill points to invest, insterad of only 2+ (INT bonus) if he'd taken another level of fighter. He also gets a bunch of new "class skills", giving him a +3 bonus in a bunch of extra skills.

Sorry for restarting an old thread, but I am struggling to find a concrete answer to this. I will use my character as an example to try to make it easier for me to understand. I will be multiclassing at lvl 5 and my character will look like this Paladin 4/Bloodrager 1. With my INT at 10, each time I lvl up, I get 3 skill points (2x Paladin, 1x Human) for the Paladin. With multiclassing in a Bloodrager, I would get 4 skill points. When I make the jump with multiclassing, do I then receive 7 skills points at lvl 5 and every lvl after that or only the skill points for the class I am leveling up?

Silver Crusade

Only the skills of the class you take a level in on that level up.

Bloodrager gets 4 + Intelligence, so you (Human) would get 5 for every level you took in Bloodrager.


Rysky wrote:

Only the skills of the class you take a level in on that level up.

Bloodrager gets 4 + Intelligence, so you (Human) would get 5 for every level you took in Bloodrager.

That's what I thought was the case. It would be too good to be true if it were the other way around. Thanks for clarifying that.

Silver Crusade

Np ^w^

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