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I recently had a GM in PFS tell me that items that have the same spell under their construction requirements do not stack. Is this true? I cannot find anything on the boards to verify or discredit this.
Specific example in question: The Impact weapon quality (Ultimate Equipment) is based on the spell Lead Blades, as too is the Belt of Thunderous Charging (Ultimate Equipment). Neither reference the spell in their descriptions, but both up the size category of the weapon by one step. The GM ruled that these items do not stack with each other or the spell Lead Blades because the items are crafted from that spell even if they don't reference it.
Technically, no, he's wrong. They are considered different sources.
However, if what he is saying is that he is limiting size increases to one size via similar magical effects, that's within his rights as GM. Please bear in mind that size abuse of weapons is a quick trip to outlandish damage rolls.
Or, in other words, do you really want that Ogre beating on you with a 6-36 +12 damage club?
==Aelryinth
The GM is incorrect.
They might not work together (at least the weapon dice part) if such changes are size bonuses, but it would not be because they have the same spells in the construction. The spells in there have absolutely nothing to do with the item unless the item casts the spell.
Effects from different sources stack. Only the strongest effect of the same type from a single source is ever in effect. Just keep your bonus types straight as bonuses if the same type do not stack except for most circumstance bonuses and all deflection bonuses in addition to non typed bonuses.
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We've got 2 for and 2 against...
The bonus from Lead Blades is untyped (your weapons become heavier and thus do damage as if they were one size category larger). The belt provides and enhancement bonus to strength, but an untyped bonus to damage (saying that it increases the momentum of your swings effectively increasing your damage by one size category). Similarly, the Impact quality is untyped (adding a "kinetic jolt" to your weapon that increases damage by one size category).
None of those have a typed bonus, and they are not Size bonuses - having Enlarge Person would increase the damage another size category and the GM has ruled that a size change would stack with Lead Blades
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No everyone is saying the same thing, but wording it differently.
The effects don't stack, but it isn't because the spell used to create the item is the same...its because the effects are the same.
Think of Bracers of Armor and Mage Armor. While you can certainly have both going at the same time only the higher of the 2 effects will prevail while the other basically becomes inert.
Then they stack. However an untyped bonus is worded like "+4 bonus". An effect that doesn't give a numerical bonus to something is not a bonus.