Improvised weapon = Bludgeoning Weapon?

[Bane Wraith]

Say a character picks up a chair leg, or even a sturdy stick...

Will that improvised weapon (that would deal bludgeoning damage) count as a "Bludgeoning Weapon", for the purpose of the Sap Adept and Sap Master feats?

Thought about taking "Catch Off-Guard" and "Bludgeoner" on a rogue. Pick up any old object that can be used to deal bludgeoning damage, and still apply the massive bonuses from Sap Adept and Sap Master (Especially the latter since every hit will be against a flatfooted (if unarmed) opponent)

Is this legal?

[Uninvited Ghost]

I shall make it legal.

[Ascalaphus]

The text looks clear; I see no problems.

Not all improvised weapons would be bludgeoning (broken bottle), but the ones you named would be, so you'd be fine there. You could also stick the Enforcer feat on that chain somewhere after Bludgeoner for ridiculously long Shaken durations.

[Bane Wraith]

Great. ^_^

Thanks. I'm off to go beat someone with their own prosthetic limb.

[blackbloodtroll]

With the Rough and Ready trait, and a rank in Profession(Chirurgeon), you can wield that Prosthetic Limb without penalty, and in fact get a +1 to hit.

[Bane Wraith]

Thank you thoroughly for the chuckling fit that gave me. But, no, I'm thinking this up for a rogue; Therefore, it'd probably be more feasible to pick up something that'd count as a improvised Light weapon, for weapon finesse...

Bane Wraith, in the ballroom, with a candlestick?
+ 20d6+20, + 20d6+20, +20d6+20 ...

Just to clarify, you Can have improvised "Light" weapons, right? Pretty sure you can...

[blackbloodtroll]

The best choice?

Blunt Durable Arrows, made of different special materials to bypass DR.

You can draw them as a free action, as they are ammunition.

[blackbloodtroll]

Also, with two levels in Ranger, you can grab Weapon Focus(Arrow).

The Rough and Ready trait, with one rank in Profession(Archer) will take away all penalties when fighting with arrows.

[Happler]

Monk of the empty hand/rogue combo. Disarm them and beat them to death with their own weapons. Once they are unarmed, due to catch off guard, they are flat footed and ripe for sneak attacks.

[blackbloodtroll]

Still, of all improvised weapons, the arrow is the best.

If you want, you can nab arrows of large, and huge size, for one and two handed weapons.

The penalties will not change, and this really the only way to use special material improvised weapons.

[Bane Wraith]

With your style, it'd probably be nice to compliment it all with some two-weapon fighting with the arrows (Or Flurry of Blows with the fists)....

Hell, I'm loving where this is going. Monk's fists count as manufactured weapons right? And they do do bludgeoning damage.

Yep. Sap Master Monk. Why not?

Edit: I humbly admit my idiocy within this statement; Improvised weapons needed for it to work, not fists...

Edit2: Still, the TWF w/ Improvised Weapons route would let you disarm on the first attack, and bludgeon them to death with Sap Adept/Master damage, without the need for Shatter Defenses

[blackbloodtroll]

Actually, Breaker Barbarian does Improvised weapons better.

[Bane Wraith]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

The best choice?

Blunt Durable Arrows, made of different special materials to bypass DR.

You can draw them as a free action, as they are ammunition.

Are you absolutely sure about this? You're drawing them as improvised weapons, not ammo or part of a ranged attack...

[blackbloodtroll]

There is no need to determine the "mens rea" when drawing an arrow.

If you had to determine intent, every time you made an action, no one would play the game.

Remember, shuriken work the same way.

[Uninvited Ghost]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

The best choice?

Blunt Durable Arrows, made of different special materials to bypass DR.

You can draw them as a free action, as they are ammunition.

Munchkin-tastic! ^_^

[blackbloodtroll]

No more "munchkin" than shuriken.