paizo.com Recent Posts in Limbless Unarmed Strikespaizo.com Recent Posts in Limbless Unarmed Strikes2013-02-11T19:00:29Z2013-02-11T19:00:29ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#292012-09-24T11:55:29Z2012-09-24T11:55:29Z<p>Also, the Flesh to Oozed unarmed fighter sounds awesome.</p>Also, the Flesh to Oozed unarmed fighter sounds awesome.blackbloodtroll2012-09-24T11:55:29ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#282012-09-21T12:39:49Z2012-09-21T12:39:49Z<p>When it comes to unarmed strike debates, someone always mentions limbs.</p>
<p>This is why I ask.</p>When it comes to unarmed strike debates, someone always mentions limbs.
This is why I ask.blackbloodtroll2012-09-21T12:39:49ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed StrikesMicManhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#272012-09-21T12:32:11Z2012-09-21T12:32:11Z<p>As the Unarmed Attacks entry does not mention a prerequisite (like for instance the ranged attacks entry does) I say it is save to assume that you can make unarmed attacks if you have a body of any kind.</p>
<p>The more dire question is: can you make unarmed attacks and hit anything with them, because the monk can't and so why should you?</p>As the Unarmed Attacks entry does not mention a prerequisite (like for instance the ranged attacks entry does) I say it is save to assume that you can make unarmed attacks if you have a body of any kind.
The more dire question is: can you make unarmed attacks and hit anything with them, because the monk can't and so why should you?MicMan2012-09-21T12:32:11ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#262012-09-21T11:18:26Z2012-09-21T11:18:26Z<p>A bit of necro, but curious if anything official has crawled out of the woodwork.</p>A bit of necro, but curious if anything official has crawled out of the woodwork.blackbloodtroll2012-09-21T11:18:26ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#252012-09-12T16:30:21Z2012-09-12T16:30:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">darkwarriorkarg wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">blackbloodtroll wrote:</div><blockquote> So, a Monk who is a target of a Flesh to Ooze spell, can still flurry? </blockquote><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slurry" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Slurry of blows</a> </blockquote><p>Clever girl.darkwarriorkarg wrote:blackbloodtroll wrote: So, a Monk who is a target of a Flesh to Ooze spell, can still flurry?
Slurry of blows Clever girl.blackbloodtroll2012-09-12T16:30:21ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesdarkwarriorkarghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#242012-09-24T12:05:42Z2012-09-12T16:22:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">blackbloodtroll wrote:</div><blockquote> So, a Monk who is a target of a Flesh to Ooze spell, can still flurry? </blockquote><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slurry" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Slurry of blows</a>blackbloodtroll wrote:So, a Monk who is a target of a Flesh to Ooze spell, can still flurry?
Slurry of blowsdarkwarriorkarg2012-09-12T16:22:30ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#232012-09-12T15:37:57Z2012-09-12T15:37:57Z<p>So, a Monk who is a target of a Flesh to Ooze spell, can still flurry?</p>So, a Monk who is a target of a Flesh to Ooze spell, can still flurry?blackbloodtroll2012-09-12T15:37:57ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#222012-09-10T20:46:13Z2012-09-10T20:46:13Z<p>Ah. That helps.</p>
<p>He still has limbs though.</p>Ah. That helps.
He still has limbs though.blackbloodtroll2012-09-10T20:46:13ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed StrikesGwaihir Scouthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#212012-09-10T20:40:21Z2012-09-10T20:40:21Z<p>There's a [Spoiler omitted] in Rise of the Runelords that uses unarmed strikes even though he can't move his limbs.</p>There's a [Spoiler omitted] in Rise of the Runelords that uses unarmed strikes even though he can't move his limbs.Gwaihir Scout2012-09-10T20:40:21ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#202012-09-10T18:01:59Z2012-09-10T18:01:59Z<p>I know there was evidence of it being true in 3.5, as on the WotC website Elite Opponents article had a Fiendish Gelatinous Cube Monk.</p>
<p>Is there evidence that this changed?</p>I know there was evidence of it being true in 3.5, as on the WotC website Elite Opponents article had a Fiendish Gelatinous Cube Monk.
Is there evidence that this changed?blackbloodtroll2012-09-10T18:01:59ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed StrikesMergyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#192012-09-10T17:57:03Z2012-09-10T17:57:03Z<p>There's no reason it can't have unarmed strikes.</p>There's no reason it can't have unarmed strikes.Mergy2012-09-10T17:57:03ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#182012-09-10T17:45:54Z2012-09-10T17:45:54Z<p>I agree, but there are times when RAW support is needed.</p>
<p>If anyone can find RAW support either for, or against, it would be helpful.</p>I agree, but there are times when RAW support is needed.
If anyone can find RAW support either for, or against, it would be helpful.blackbloodtroll2012-09-10T17:45:54ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed StrikesDarklord Moriushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#172012-09-10T17:42:58Z2012-09-10T17:42:58Z<p>Well, a limbless creature can make unarmed strikes normally.</p>Well, a limbless creature can make unarmed strikes normally.Darklord Morius2012-09-10T17:42:58ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#162012-09-10T17:41:21Z2012-09-10T17:41:21Z<p>That is not the question. </p>
<p>The question, is if they can.</p>
<p>I could list several reasons why they might choose to do so, but that's not the core issue.</p>That is not the question.
The question, is if they can.
I could list several reasons why they might choose to do so, but that's not the core issue.blackbloodtroll2012-09-10T17:41:21ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed StrikesNawtyit (alias of Mark DeFelice)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#152012-09-10T17:37:59Z2012-09-10T17:37:59Z<p>Unarmed strikes are different from natural attacks. If something has natural attacks listed, you should use that. The bestiary says that “Some creatures do not have natural attacks. These creatures can make unarmed strikes just like humans do.”</p>Unarmed strikes are different from natural attacks. If something has natural attacks listed, you should use that. The bestiary says that “Some creatures do not have natural attacks. These creatures can make unarmed strikes just like humans do.”Nawtyit (alias of Mark DeFelice)2012-09-10T17:37:59ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#142012-09-10T15:04:55Z2012-09-10T15:04:55Z<p>A cannonball is a more than legal target for the Animate Objects spell.</p>
<p>This means you can make a permanent, undispelable Animated Cannonball.</p>
<p>It will have a 20 ft. speed, as per RAW.</p>A cannonball is a more than legal target for the Animate Objects spell.
This means you can make a permanent, undispelable Animated Cannonball.
It will have a 20 ft. speed, as per RAW.blackbloodtroll2012-09-10T15:04:55ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed StrikesTraycehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#132012-09-10T14:58:30Z2012-09-10T14:58:30Z<p>This thread makes me giggle.</p>
<p>This simple answer is yes. Anything living can have an unarmed strike as per raw I believe, even constructs and slugs. A snake could whip you with its tail, jump on you, etc. AS a GM I'd still require you to be able to describe some ways that the creature in question could realistically attack you with just it's natural body.</p>
<p>The more complicated answer is how would you animate a cannonball? It has no arms or legs, no mouth and essentially no way to interact with the outside world. Congrats: it's sentient but unable to manipulate the world around it (and yes, in this case I'd personally rule that it has no unarmed strike. Or a landspeed for that matter.)</p>This thread makes me giggle.
This simple answer is yes. Anything living can have an unarmed strike as per raw I believe, even constructs and slugs. A snake could whip you with its tail, jump on you, etc. AS a GM I'd still require you to be able to describe some ways that the creature in question could realistically attack you with just it's natural body.
The more complicated answer is how would you animate a cannonball? It has no arms or legs, no mouth and essentially no way to interact...Trayce2012-09-10T14:58:30ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#122012-09-10T14:45:51Z2012-09-10T14:45:51Z<p>I have been told by some, that you need a special body, of some kind, to do something, I was sure, all corporeal creatures could do.</p>
<p>If there is some kind of RAW evidence, to help me be sure?</p>I have been told by some, that you need a special body, of some kind, to do something, I was sure, all corporeal creatures could do.
If there is some kind of RAW evidence, to help me be sure?blackbloodtroll2012-09-10T14:45:51ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed StrikesNeo2151https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#112012-09-10T14:09:49Z2012-09-10T14:09:49Z<p>Simple answer: Yes. To my knowledge, all creatures of all types possess an "Unarmed Strike."</p>Simple answer: Yes. To my knowledge, all creatures of all types possess an "Unarmed Strike."Neo21512012-09-10T14:09:49ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed StrikesGeneticDrifthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#102012-09-10T14:03:15Z2012-09-10T14:03:15Z<p>If it doesn't make sense as a GM or PC you probably shouldn't do it. </p>
<p>That said, unarmed strike can be made with any part of the body. And I wouldn't assume a ball of metal is perfectly smooth, especially after taking any damage. So it rolls in a fashion kinda like a charmed snake and bounces at you focusing on its jagged edges.</p>If it doesn't make sense as a GM or PC you probably shouldn't do it.
That said, unarmed strike can be made with any part of the body. And I wouldn't assume a ball of metal is perfectly smooth, especially after taking any damage. So it rolls in a fashion kinda like a charmed snake and bounces at you focusing on its jagged edges.GeneticDrift2012-09-10T14:03:15ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#92012-09-10T13:32:15Z2012-09-10T13:32:15Z<p>Still, the questions remain.</p>Still, the questions remain.blackbloodtroll2012-09-10T13:32:15ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed StrikesFiddlersGreenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#82012-09-10T12:59:59Z2012-09-10T12:59:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">blackbloodtroll wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Unarmed strikes can be used more often at higher BAB.</p>
<p>They can also be used with a number of other feats, that cannot be used with natural attacks.</p>
<p>There is a number of reasons why. </blockquote><p>Just had a few amusing mental images from this.
<p>"How...on earth...does a <i>cannonball</i> emulate a [i]snake[/] in its fighting style?"</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>"Did that cannonball just do piercing damage!?" O_o</p>blackbloodtroll wrote:Unarmed strikes can be used more often at higher BAB.
They can also be used with a number of other feats, that cannot be used with natural attacks.
There is a number of reasons why.
Just had a few amusing mental images from this. "How...on earth...does a cannonball emulate a [i]snake[/] in its fighting style?"
and
"Did that cannonball just do piercing damage!?" O_oFiddlersGreen2012-09-10T12:59:59ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#72012-09-10T12:42:26Z2012-09-10T12:42:26Z<p>Unarmed strikes can be used more often at higher BAB.</p>
<p>They can also be used with a number of other feats, that cannot be used with natural attacks.</p>
<p>There is a number of reasons why.</p>Unarmed strikes can be used more often at higher BAB.
They can also be used with a number of other feats, that cannot be used with natural attacks.
There is a number of reasons why.blackbloodtroll2012-09-10T12:42:26ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed StrikesFiddlersGreenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#62012-09-10T12:29:44Z2012-09-10T12:29:44Z<p>I know, I'm just wondering why you would still want unarmed strikes. XD</p>I know, I'm just wondering why you would still want unarmed strikes. XDFiddlersGreen2012-09-10T12:29:44ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Limbless Unarmed Strikesblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oua7?Limbless-Unarmed-Strikes#52012-09-10T12:28:41Z2012-09-10T12:28:41Z<p>That is irrelevant. </p>
<p>Having a natural attack does not prevent unarmed strikes.</p>That is irrelevant.
Having a natural attack does not prevent unarmed strikes.blackbloodtroll2012-09-10T12:28:41Z