To go with the other Wishlists.
Of course we have the usual suspects:
Looking at what is currently slated I am sure we will see future pawn sets to go with each of the future APs.
So now the true wishes:
Of course some of these would blur with past and future boxes but still.
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Seeing as how I'll be running Curse of the Crimson Throne in the not too distant future, I'll add my vote for a pawn set for that adventure path. Carrion Crown would be nice as well.
Also, I'd like to see themed pawn collections (familiars, outsiders, undead).
Last but certainly not least, I hope and suspect we'll see a Wrath of the Righteous pawn collection.
For Curse of the Crimson Throne, which I will be starting soon myself, there are inexpensive Paper Minis available for all adventures here.
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I second the vote for a set of summonable creatures. Cool would be having celestial and fiendish variants where appropriate, and considering that up to 5 of each can be summoned (or 6 with the Superior Summoning feat).
I'd like to see a few PC-centric ones as well. Maybe a return to the encounter packs with Pawns + Maps ;)
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For Curse of the Crimson Throne, which I will be starting soon myself, there are inexpensive Paper Minis available for all adventures here.
Certainly but I'm a lazy bugger and, to be honest, I much prefer to have the original artwork (or at least the same style in case of new artwork if new artwork's needed for an NPC) on the pawns. :)
One pack I would very much like to see would be Common Folk. A pack with farmers, villagers, tavern wenches, merchants, ladies of the night, maybe even a farm animal or two! Something that is often needed and difficult to find.
I think your wish will come true with the NPC Codex pawns or at least in part.
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My priorities would be
Familiars and animal companions
non-core races from the ARG
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One pack I would very much like to see would be Common Folk. A pack with farmers, villagers, tavern wenches, merchants, ladies of the night, maybe even a farm animal or two! Something that is often needed and difficult to find.I think your wish will come true with the NPC Codex pawns or at least in part.
Really? That's cool.
I thought it was only PC classes and races.
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This may sound silly, because I'm asking for pawns that Paizo already makes... but I wish for more of the common ones.
I recently bought TWO bestiary boxes, but that only means that I now have 4 mites, 8 goblin warriors, 6 kobolds, 6 orcs, 6 zombies, 6 skeletons, 2 goblin dogs, 6 gnolls, 6 ghouls, 6 hobgoblins, etc.
I hope soon to get the beginner box, so I'll have 5 more goblins, 2 more orcs, 2 more zombies, 4 more skeletons, 1 more goblin dog, 2 more ghouls, etc. That will be an improvement.
Still, if I were ever in some situation in which I wanted, say, 12 kobolds, I wouldn't get two more bestiary boxes just for that. I would have to use cardboard counters for the other 6, which wouldn't look as good. I've already had to do that with mites.
It would be neat if I could get more common ones from the Bestiary Box without having to buy a whole other Box and pay also for the less common ones. How often would anyone really need 3 pit fiends, 3 solar angels, or 3 mariliths?
I wouldn't complain, except that a lot of those really tough and deadly monsters (such as froghemoths, nalfeshnees, glabrezus, storm giants, 5 of the dragons, etc.) are HUGE, and must really be inflating the price. I wish I could add some more common ones without having to pay for those less common ones that take up so much space on the cardboard sheets.
For the past 6 years, I've been using Cardboard Heroes (from Steve Jackson Games). Those obviously have lower production values, and are therefore cheaper to produce, but for the most part, SJ Games did a good job on that product by giving us lots and lots of common monsters. (Admittedly, they also gave us a lot of weird ones. What the heck are octopus men, and why would anyone want so many?!? I sometimes wished that set could include a centaur, or even a horse. I often wished for some common people, like villagers, farmers, peasants, etc.) Recently, when I wanted 12 hobgoblins, I just forgot about my bestiary boxes and used 12 Cardboard Heroes hobgoblins. The same goes for orcs (although I used just one Bestiary Box orc for the leader, who had class levels.)
I could, of course, get the PDF, make some color printouts at Kinko's, and glue them to cardboard, but that wouldn't look as good.
I ramble, but you get the idea. I wish the bestiary box, or some future product, could have more common ones.
+1 for an "Oversized Box" with Gargantuan and Colossal monsters. Probably after whenever a Bestiary 3 box is produced, so that the oversized monster box can take its beasties from B1, B2, and B3.
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Guys, I don't want to throw cold water on a cool idea, but it's pretty unlikely that we'll be doing Curse of the Crimson Throne pawns any time soon. Many of the original issues are now out of print and unavailable to new customers, the entire thing is in 3.5, and we would need to order almost all new art, since we didn't order as many 'full body" images back then. So we're looking at massive start-up costs for that product relative to a modern AP, which isn't great. Beyond that, our schedule is currently strained to the limit making a couple of boxed sets and the two AP collections. We're still figuring out the "Pawn Business," if you will. It's definitely possible to imagine scenarios under which we'd publish a Curse of the Crimson Throne Pawn Collection, but the timing isn't perfect for that right now. Pathfinder Paper Minis are a good solution, and given crossovers with Shattered Star like the Grey Maidens even some actual prepainted plastic minis this year will help.
As for Pawns, something like the summoned monster/spell effects set is a really good idea I'd like to figure out how to do. Again, expensive, because we don't have a bunch of quality illustrations of celestial animals and stuff sitting around, but anything is possible, and I can see how a product like this would appeal to a broad base of customers.
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An Oversized Monster Box is indeed a great idea, but it'd also be very likely to be quite expensive. As far as costs are concerned, most are tied to the number of "sheets" in a set. The fewer creatures that fit on a single sheet, the more sheets you need to make the set worthwhile. The more sheets you have, the more expensive the product's got to be.
Think about how many creatures of Gargantuan or Colossal you'd need to pull off a truly satisfying collection. Then think about how many sheets it would take at the current size to cover them. Think about the retail price of that collection relative to the ones we're currently offering.
So yeah, it's a good idea, but ouch.
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Thank you, eakratz. I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought that.
Monster races with class levels, and/or different social statuses, such as orc or goblin shamans and chieftains and so on.
Also a little supplement book with stats such would be awesome. So I don't have sit down for 6 hours (real life time) to stat out a camp full of orcs, that is beaten in 2 minutes (in-game time). But I think this is something more for an NPC Codex wishlist thread or something.
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An Oversized Monster Box is indeed a great idea, but it'd also be very likely to be quite expensive. As far as costs are concerned, most are tied to the number of "sheets" in a set. The fewer creatures that fit on a single sheet, the more sheets you need to make the set worthwhile. The more sheets you have, the more expensive the product's got to be.
Think about how many creatures of Gargantuan or Colossal you'd need to pull off a truly satisfying collection. Then think about how many sheets it would take at the current size to cover them. Think about the retail price of that collection relative to the ones we're currently offering.
So yeah, it's a good idea, but ouch.
What about selling bases for Gargantuan and Colossal sizes? Would it be worth selling them individually or in a three pack?
I have noticed that I can take a medium pawns and put them on huge bases. I wouldn't mind putting huge pawns on a Colossal base if the creature was close enough. The big thing for me is having the bases, as I often don't have something properly sized to show the area that those sizes take up.
Also, if I had just a base that, like the smaller bases, had a slot for a pawn I could make my own pawns and put them into the base. A printer and some cardboard might do it, but I am sure I can find the right materials at the craft store if they wont.
It is great to start a thread that is getting use and replies from Paizo stuff along with my fellow players!
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I only discovered the Pawn line about a week ago and already have the B1 and S&S sets. (B/c I'm running S&S and B1 was just about as cheap as buying bases.
I'll be buying these for any AP I run in the future. My only wish is that, as least for S&S it included more of the NPCs. I would have paid much more for not having to scrounge for mini's to represent.
So my wish list item, is when you do an AP set make it Beastiary size and up the price. It will be worth it.
I only discovered the Pawn line about a week ago and already have the B1 and S&S sets. (B/c I'm running S&S and B1 was just about as cheap as buying bases.
I'll be buying these for any AP I run in the future. My only wish is that, as least for S&S it included more of the NPCs. I would have paid much more for not having to scrounge for mini's to represent.
So my wish list item, is when you do an AP set make it Beastiary size and up the price. It will be worth it.
They wouldn't be specific to the Shattered Star AP, but the NPC Codex has its own (separate) pawn collection.
And +1 for collection(s) with multiples of "mooks", and for animal companions, swarms, and summoned monsters/nature's allies.
And the idea of oversized (Gargantuan + Colossal) bases is also good (even without the pawns).
How about an online, interactive, build your own pawn set? Drag and drop, then download a pdf for the do-it-yourself folks.
If you have a printer that can print on the card board used for PF pawns, you would need little more than a few measurements and a halfway useable freeware image editing programs to do that yourself. You can find plenty of illustrations on the site and even use some from other sources.
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How about an online, interactive, build your own pawn set? Drag and drop, then download a pdf for the do-it-yourself folks.If you have a printer that can print on the card board used for PF pawns . . .
I rather doubt most people do. Almost all the printers I've seen for home use have a paper path that bends. The old HP B9180 claims to be able to handle media up to 1.5mm thick (which is about what the pawns are), using a straight media path, but I don't know off-hand of any newer models with that capability. You could print on thinner stock and then glue it to backing board, but that's a much more complicated process.
Then there's the problem of cutting the pawns apart. If you've got a good rotary cutter you'll at least be able to make straight cuts, but if you want those rounded corners it's going to be tricky.
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personally, i'd love to see some boxed adventures, something like the old ruins of undermountain or dragon mountain, complete with all the pawns and maps you'd need, and, of course, the adventure.
i'd also just like to add that the pawns are great! i like the 4e "pog" monster tokens, but the pawns are much better! i don't have the funds for that many minis (and i hate random way they are sold), and the pawns make an excellent substitute.
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One solution for making pawns was suggested by a fellow in my group: printing the image(s) on a full-sheet sticker or label, then simply cutting them apart, peeling, and sticking on the cardboard. That's much easier than pasting things on and will produce better results, especially since stickers tend to produce bright and clean images, and it's something I intend to do to produce rune giants for my RotRL game.
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When I need more copies of the common minis, I use the pdf copy of the pawn set and print the pages I need on cardstock. The quality is not as nice as the purchased ones, but they still turn out decent. It's a good cost effective way to add extras.
Love the ideas suggested for minis to cover the different nationalities and the alternate race options from the race guide. I admit summons would be pretty useful too.
Longshot wish: I'd love a Kingmaker pawn set, or more paper minis for the Kingmaker series.
Longshot wish: I'd love a Kingmaker pawn set, or more paper minis for the Kingmaker series.
I'd like Kingmaker as well, as I have just started run that AP.
Having just picked up the pawns for RotR and the Bestiary Box, I love these. This is coming from someone who is actually a good miniatures painter, but after years of painting ranks of minis for wargaming, these are far more convenient and less time consuming. It's also why the pre-painted plastics aren't my favorite - mass production makes for usable, but not particularly aesthetically pleasing minis IMHO.
The biggest item on my wishlist would probably be pawns for Jade Regent, even though I get a couple of the NPCs in RotR! I'm doing it through play by post, but it would be great to run it on the tabletop with some cool pawns. Not sure how viable that is, since it's now three APs old, but it would be cool none the less. In fact, it would be cool to do sets from Council of Thieves and onward, but probably not very viable.
Another wishlist item - pawns to tie into the Advanced Race Guide, for players who want to play catfolk and tengus and the like - or when I need an exotic NPC. Not sure if there's an entire set there, but still would be cool.
Other than that, the NPC Codex pawn set is going to cover a lot of my needs for character and NPC/commoner tokens, and the Bestiary 2&3 sets will cover the rest. I'm big on the Adventure Paths, and will probably pick up the pawn sets for all of those going forward. It's really , really cool that I can represent 'named' characters with their actual artwork!
While it would be nice to have some 'blanks', I don't see that as an option beyond DIY. For spell effects, I have some nice transparent templates that came out for 4e that I picked up, and you can always print images onto clear overhead transparency sheets - if they still make those anymore....
EDIT: Oh, how about a 'Creatures of Golarion' set that includes things like bloatmages, Red Mantis assassins, Razmirian cultists, and other Inner Sea region specific stuff? Just an idea!
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Expansion sheets sold in one or two sheet packs that contain many copies the same monster. Sometimes its nice to throw A LOT of orcs or gnolls out on the table.
Yes, a set made up of humanoids and another for undead would be awesome. Who couldn't use a ton of skeletons and zombies as well as orcs, goblins, gnolls, bugbears and etc?
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On one of the latest Pathfinder Battles threads, it was suggested that there be a bit more differentiation between the sets for the 2 product lines. And I agree.
The following APs have not been done in pawn or mini form:
Curse of the Crimson Throne (paper minis available)
Second Darkness
Legacy of Fire (paper minis available for Books 1 & 2)
Council of Thieves
Kingmaker (paper minis available for Books 1-3)
Sepent's Skull (paper available)
Carrion Crown
Jade Regent
I understand Erik's comments about not wanting to go back to an older, out-of-print path, especially when many of the pawns would be duplicates. Similarly, SD and CoT don't really need a wide range of pawns beyond the Bestiary and NPC sets (not sure about CC, haven't read it). LoF can probably be adequately rounded out with the paper minis, considering the age of the AP.
So I would suggest Kingmaker and Jade Regent would be the best paths for pawns: Kingmaker due to it's popularity and wide range of foes, and Jade Regent due to the number of creatures which may not be adequately covered by planned products.
LArger pawns!
You could make special X bases and have the paws slide into each other for the larger scale encounters.
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An Oversized Monster Box is indeed a great idea, but it'd also be very likely to be quite expensive. As far as costs are concerned, most are tied to the number of "sheets" in a set. The fewer creatures that fit on a single sheet, the more sheets you need to make the set worthwhile. The more sheets you have, the more expensive the product's got to be.
Think about how many creatures of Gargantuan or Colossal you'd need to pull off a truly satisfying collection. Then think about how many sheets it would take at the current size to cover them. Think about the retail price of that collection relative to the ones we're currently offering.
So yeah, it's a good idea, but ouch.
Erik, think maybe doing a Kick Starter for an oversized box project would be too much? If anything it should give a good gauge for how much demand there might be.