Arbalester Goblin Squad Member |
Yeah. Can't say I've ever seen chariots in Pathfinder. Wait... were there a few in Ultimate Combat as a vehicle? Let me see... Hey, they're in here! Ultimate Combat page 181 or so, or here.
So yeah, they might make it into the game eventually. We'll see. Right now, I'll just be happy if they get vehicles into the game at all; they might not even be there on launch day.
Caedryan Goblin Squad Member |
Caedryan Goblin Squad Member |
I just did some research and found out that chariots were kind of an ancient thing, not medieval at all. Seeing as though pathfinder is a vaguely medieval setting for the most part, I can now see why they wouldn't fit.
I disagree. Fantasy, especially high-fantasy is an extreme historical mix. For example druids are clearly ancient, as they are gaulish/celtic. Or everything involving guns & ammos is essentially 18th century, because everything earlier is impossible to implement when it should stay fun. Furthermore most fantasy games somehow lack crossbows or typical armour from that era. Also you never see typical medieval witches or medieval knights.
I'm drifting - My point is, that fantasy is an extreme mix which you can't nail to a certain period of time since it includes stuff from 5000 B.C. until the 18th century...
Blaeringr Goblin Squad Member |
Shicil Goblin Squad Member |
Arbalester Goblin Squad Member |
AvenaOats Goblin Squad Member |
Chariot, wagon, carriage...
I'm interested in how "goods" will be transported? So if players have:
a) Limit on how much they can carry
b) speed penalty on how much they are carrying
Then,
it makes sense for horse/oxen-drawn machines to be in use. From that pov I really like the idea of wheeled animal powered vehicles. Eg the logistics of transport and supply networks this could be very important (even building these things/maintaining them/preventing them being vandalised. While we're on this theme, the idea of players swimming in armor I think should be that they simply drown eg if they fall into water, are pushed into water while wearying armour over a certain "weight category". Has implications for armies?!
As for cavalry and chariots in "wars" that could be cool at some stage.
Arbalester Goblin Squad Member |
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Ooh, vehicle-based combat! Man, nobody's tried that! WoW's design fell apart into gimmickry; LOTRO's going to submit their version of mounted combat in a month or so. Still, that would be great! Transport troops and supplies to and from the field of battle, act as ammo resupplier/medical ambulance, or just put spikes on the sides, lances on the front, and go full-speed towards the enemy lines!
Again, that's probably going to take a LOT of coding and balancing, but if that could ever happen in PFO, that would be awesome.
Plus... Twelve Dwarf Beer Wagon Charge. That is going to happen at some point, no matter what I have to do to get it done.
Hanz McBattle |
Ooh, vehicle-based combat! Man, nobody's tried that! WoW's design fell apart into gimmickry; LOTRO's going to submit their version of mounted combat in a month or so. Still, that would be great! Transport troops and supplies to and from the field of battle, act as ammo resupplier/medical ambulance, or just put spikes on the sides, lances on the front, and go full-speed towards the enemy lines!
Again, that's probably going to take a LOT of coding and balancing, but if that could ever happen in PFO, that would be awesome.
Plus... Twelve Dwarf Beer Wagon Charge. That is going to happen at some point, no matter what I have to do to get it done.
I can dig it.
Troop transports could be very interesting on the battlefield, especially with archers shooting from inside.
Blaeringr Goblin Squad Member |
LazarX |
I just did some research and found out that chariots were kind of an ancient thing, not medieval at all. Seeing as though pathfinder is a vaguely medieval setting for the most part, I can now see why they wouldn't fit.
That's because outside of use as a vehicle of war in a largely pre-calvary world, chariots have absolutely no reason for existing. They've got zilch for passenger and cargo space, so they can't pay their own weight. They're also pretty dependent on a decent road system as far as making any distance goes. Wagons on the other hand are considerably more robust and have more options for passengers and cargo.
In wars of later periods where cavalry and ranged attacks such as archery and cannon are more commonplace, chariots also continue to lose out big as they don't bring anything to the table where warfare isn't almost totally infantry driven.
Blaeringr Goblin Squad Member |
I just did some research and found out that chariots were kind of an ancient thing, not medieval at all. Seeing as though pathfinder is a vaguely medieval setting for the most part, I can now see why they wouldn't fit.
Chariots went out of use not because better tools were developed, but because betters methods were invented for countering them on the battlefield.
The Macedonians under Alexander were the ones who really toppled the chariot from its position as a must have item for any army. They did this mostly by exploiting the behavior of trained horses to corral them to pass in between formations of soldiers. They were trained to do this rather than over run the soldiers because the goal was to use the blades on the chariot wheels to mow down soldiers, but a well organized group purposely guiding the chariot like that could easily spear down the horses and the driver. It also helped that they would throw out caltrops to slow the horses down first.