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Hey has anyone seen this flick? What did you think of it?

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It's a pretty straightforward political ad.


Haven't seen it. Have no plans.

From reviews and discussion (some liberal, some conservative) it seems to be mostly a conspiracy theory about how Obama, if he wins re-election, is going to reveal his true colors and turn America into a Muslim, Marxist , anti-colonialist hell. (I think I missed something, but I'm not going back to look.)

What is it with the anti-colonialism line anyway? Is colonialism supposed to have been good now?

Scarab Sages

So full of EPIC FAIL that it makes Michael Moore look like a rhodes scholar.


Sanakht Inaros wrote:
So full of EPIC FAIL that it makes Michael Moore look like a rhodes scholar.

Can you go further into this?

Scarab Sages

There are better links to the fact-checking than I'm willing to write.

Here for starters..


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It's hilarious. I didn't even have to watch it, but I know this.
Hey, guess who else was anti colonialism? George Washington. That awful communist.
You north-americans got some grade A crazies, man.


VM mercenario wrote:

It's hilarious. I didn't even have to watch it, but I know this.

Hey, guess who else was anti colonialism? George Washington. That awful communist.
You north-americans got some grade A crazies, man.

Yeah I was hoping to have someone who actually watched it critic the movie/documentary before I went and saw it.

I thought the whole anti colonial thing was that Obama's dad in Kenya wanted to take the colonial powers down b/c they ruled the world. So in turn Obama was imparted with that idea. Something like that.

How is Dinesh D'Souza crazy?


Sanakht Inaros wrote:

There are better links to the fact-checking than I'm willing to write.

Here for starters..

Thanks!

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Aretas wrote:
VM mercenario wrote:

It's hilarious. I didn't even have to watch it, but I know this.

Hey, guess who else was anti colonialism? George Washington. That awful communist.
You north-americans got some grade A crazies, man.

Yeah I was hoping to have someone who actually watched it critic the movie/documentary before I went and saw it.

I thought the whole anti colonial thing was that Obama's dad in Kenya wanted to take the colonial powers down b/c they ruled the world. So in turn Obama was imparted with that idea. Something like that.

How is Dinesh D'Souza crazy?

Yes. A 2 year old is going to understand all that. Obama's dad left the family when he was 2 and didn't see his son again until he was 8 or 9. And then, it was very brief. My dad left the family when I was 3 and I spent a christmas with him when I was 10. That was it. But by D'Souza's logic, I'm a card-carrying member of the KKK because my dad was (is?). Even though I'm married to an african-american woman and I've never been to a clan rally (unless you count going to a tea party meeting).

Just watching the trailers and listening to him speak...There's a huge disconnect and a willful ignorance.


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Why is that when people want to predict all the horrible things Obama (and Democrats in general) are going to do, they resort to slippery slope arguments and sketchy analyses of parental relationships?
OTOH, when you want to predict scary things Republicans are going to do, you can just point at specific language in the party platform or in bills and budgets supported by the party leadership.

And, more importantly, why are these two approaches considered remotely equal?


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I am so sick of polotics its ridicoulous. I just want to live my life the best I can without anyone juding me for it.

The godless left, or the rightous right? Who cares? seriously?

The left want to help the poor, but raise taxes and send jobs overseas because of that.

The right screams constitutional rights but try to join church and state.

I hate both of them equally. Each November there is no right or wrong answer, but who is the lesser evil.


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For the same reason that if CNN or any other legitimate news source has an expert on say climate change, they have to trot out some mouth breathing jerk who says that there's no such thing as climate change.


I plan on seeing it and i think its doing very well in the theaters. I dont find that its much of a leap that his father influenced his way of thinking even though his father wasnt around for most of his life. Arent some people influence greatly by athletes? one profound speech, etc.

The reviews i've read are that the theorys are "muddy but cant be proved one way or another. Didnt the president talk about his dad in his autobiography? Isnt it the title of his book. He spent a month with his dad while he was 9/10 and later on in life he seems to wrestle with the demons of his past and goes to Kenya to uncover his past (the presidents book).

I have never seen a president that has so many hidden secrets and has allowed so many conspiracy theorys to stay out there. His approval rating is less than 50% and most people who still support him are not as enthusiastic as they were 3+ years ago. He will be lucky if he wins re-election

I would love to see a poll on how many people on these boards are card carrying members of the republican party or even lean republican. I bet its less than 5%. From what i've seen its some democrats and a lot of anti-government.


wicked cool wrote:
I have never seen a president that has so many hidden secrets and has allowed so many conspiracy theorys to stay out there. His approval rating is less than 50% and most people who still support him are not as enthusiastic as they were 3+ years ago. He will be lucky if he wins re-election

What "hidden secrets"?

And how could he stop the conspiracy theories? The birther nonsense has been discredited again and again. There's never been any evidence for it. And yet it's still out there. Trump still backs it. Sheriff Joe "investigating" it. Romney made a dogwhistle joke about it a few days ago. What could Obama do to stop it? That's the whole point about conspiracy theories. Anything you do to counter them is just part of the conspiracy.


We know so little about his past. Most of what we know is from his autobiograpys. He took forever to release the birth certificate and even then it still left doubts with some. Hes supposed to be brilliant and yet we have yet to see any of his grades (why the secrecy),he stumbles without a telepromptor and he seems to rely heavily on czars to make decisions.What was his relationship with Ayers/Wright and does he still have one with them.

If he was on the other side of the aisle the secrets would have been exposed by now. Haven't we seen past presidents grades and even millitary records.I dont remember these theorys with Clinton so i cant 100% really blame the right.

Whats is his vision for the county for the next 4 years. He goes out every day and attacks the other guy which is fine as its a virtual tie right now but what are his plans/promises for the future.


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wicked cool wrote:

We know so little about his past. Most of what we know is from his autobiograpys. He took forever to release the birth certificate and even then it still left doubts with some. Hes supposed to be brilliant and yet we have yet to see any of his grades (why the secrecy),he stumbles without a telepromptor and he seems to rely heavily on czars to make decisions.What was his relationship with Ayers/Wright and does he still have one with them.

If he was on the other side of the aisle the secrets would have been exposed by now. Haven't we seen past presidents grades and even millitary records.I dont remember these theorys with Clinton so i cant 100% really blame the right.

Whats is his vision for the county for the next 4 years. He goes out every day and attacks the other guy which is fine as its a virtual tie right now but what are his plans/promises for the future.

We know pretty much everything of his past. We know where he lived and traveled as a kid. We know where he went to school and much of what he did there. We know where he worked before running for office. What do you want?

Copies of his birth certificate were released in 2008. The Hawaii Dept of Health confirmed it. There were birth announcements in the papers of the time. Given that the final release still didn't quiet the critics, I'm not sure what else he could have done. To be extremely generous, the only reason it's an issue is that he may be the only president (aside from the founding fathers) whose father was not a citizen. Less generously, it's because he's black.

Every major political figure has used teleprompters since they became available and notes before then. They all speak more smoothly with them. Obama speaks quite well without them.

The use of "czars" (which is a media term and not an official title) has been expanding for decades. The executive branch has a lot of responsibilities and the President has to delegate.

Bill Ayers is a professor at the University of Chicago. He served on a couple of non-profit boards with Obama. There's never been any evidence of a closer relationship between them than that. By that time he was a respected local figure, not a terrorist boogeyman.

I have no idea if we've seen past president's grades. Nor do I really care.
Were you paying attention during the 90s? You don't remember all the conspiracy theories swirling around Clinton? All the way up to accusations of murder. Primarily Vince Foster, but there were others.

As for plans for the country, 30 second TV spots aren't a good place to lay these out. He's done so in the past of course, state of the union speeches, budget proposals and other places. I'm sure there's more at campaign events.

Of course if you buy into this movie, it's all lies anyway. He spent 4 years not implementing his true evil vision, in hopes of getting another 4 years in which he could implement his true evil plans. Why he didn't just do it in the first 4 years, rather than take the chance of not getting a second term, I don't have the faintest clue, since I can't think like crazy conspiracy theorists.

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wicked cool wrote:

We know so little about his past. Most of what we know is from his autobiograpys. He took forever to release the birth certificate and even then it still left doubts with some. Hes supposed to be brilliant and yet we have yet to see any of his grades (why the secrecy),he stumbles without a telepromptor and he seems to rely heavily on czars to make decisions.What was his relationship with Ayers/Wright and does he still have one with them.

If he was on the other side of the aisle the secrets would have been exposed by now. Haven't we seen past presidents grades and even millitary records.I dont remember these theorys with Clinton so i cant 100% really blame the right.

Whats is his vision for the county for the next 4 years. He goes out every day and attacks the other guy which is fine as its a virtual tie right now but what are his plans/promises for the future.

Well isnt this cute. Its like talk radio verbatim. Scary thing is there are so many figures using this logic for some it starts to sound logical. Look pretty much every president has been an ass, Obama is no exception.

Want to know why he allows conspiracy theories to stay out there? It makes people sound absolutely bonkers that's why. If it was me I never would have released the birth cert. Do you really believe the govt would look the other way while he used a fake? Do me a favor go and apply for a passport with a fake cert and see how far you get. The only conclusion then would be that Barry somehow has some secret alliance allowing him to go unchecked through the govt. Starting to see how bonkers this sounds yet?

Lets look at the real interesting aspect of this movie. The movie is trying to say Obama is anti-colonial. You know who else is anti-colonial? Ron Paul a rather influential republican. However the talk echo chamber seems to hate this guy. Particularly, his anti-colonial views. Even the left leaning talkers jumped in and paint him as some secret klu klux klan operative. So now right or left, anti-colonal views get you harsh criticism from your own side and conspiracy theories from the other. That is something to consider.


this statement - The use of "czars" (which is a media term and not an official title) has been expanding for decades. The executive branch has a lot of responsibilities and the President has to delegate. ----depends on what country right? Could be one her before you know it.

WE and that mean YOU and ME. The peasents, plebeons, peons, common folk, commoners.

We only know what they want us to know. We will never know the WHOLE truth to any of this. This is a game f never ending pong; always back and forth.

How many of you believe that this country will see ANOTHER CIVIL WAR before their lifetime is over? They always said the south will rise again...to bad I'm stuck down here.


g0atsticks wrote:

this statement - The use of "czars" (which is a media term and not an official title) has been expanding for decades. The executive branch has a lot of responsibilities and the President has to delegate. ----depends on what country right? Could be one her before you know it.

WE and that mean YOU and ME. The peasents, plebeons, peons, common folk, commoners.

We only know what they want us to know. We will never know the WHOLE truth to any of this. This is a game f never ending pong; always back and forth.

How many of you believe that this country will see ANOTHER CIVIL WAR before their lifetime is over? They always said the south will rise again...to bad I'm stuck down here.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Are you suggesting that the use of the term "czar" for adminstrative officials in the executive branch is somehow going to lead to the US being ruled by an actual Russian style Tsar?


Hes had 38 czars so far. Bush had 33 in 8 years. Previous presidents had for the most part had single digit Czars.

He got a lot done in 4 years and was partially blocked by a rebulican congress. Close to 1/2 this county is worried what he would do if he has control of the senate and congress for another 2-4 years. Not subsribing to the theory that the government looked the other way to that theory but ive heard crazier ones. How about GWB caused 9/11 or WB stole the 2000 election. I guess it depends on where the theorys come from.

I disagree with your theory he should let these stand. I believe they hurt him (it is true thatmore people watch fox than other news networks). His network defenders do an awful job and cry racism/blame the previous guy instead of touting his accomplishments.He won the election so there wasnt racism then.

If Romney wins it wont be blame the previous guy it will be he failed and time for Hillary.

As for your passport theory heres a few
1. Government Looked the other way/enabled Whitey Bulger for years. Lot of high government officals involved in that.
2. Illegals get on welfare, drivers licenses, etc.

Ron Paul isnt/wasnt that influential in the Republican party. Hes more of the crazy uncle and had no chance at being president.


wicked cool wrote:
Hes had 38 czars so far. Bush had 33 in 8 years. Previous presidents had for the most part had single digit Czars.

Right, so the vast expansion happened under Bush. Obama continues the trend. It still doesn't matter. If someone hadn't dubbed them with a cute name, we wouldn't be talking about it.

wicked cool wrote:

He got a lot done in 4 years and was partially blocked by a rebulican congress. Close to 1/2 this county is worried what he would do if he has control of the senate and congress for another 2-4 years. Not subsribing to the theory that the government looked the other way to that theory but ive heard crazier ones. How about GWB caused 9/11 or WB stole the 2000 election. I guess it depends on where the theorys come from.

I disagree with your theory he should let these stand. I believe they hurt him (it is true thatmore people watch fox than other news networks). His network defenders do an awful job and cry racism/blame the previous guy instead of touting his accomplishments.He won the election so there wasnt racism then.

I'm sure they hurt him. They're being spread more by talk radio than Fox, though Fox helps legitimize them. What I'd like to know is what he could do to shut them down. The birther thing is absolute nonsense. All of the evidence is completely discredited, there's plenty of evidence that he actually was born in Hawaii, he's shown his birth certificate and it's still an issue! It's not a matter of "he should let these stand", it's a matter of how do you convince crazy people that they're crazy.


thejeff wrote:
g0atsticks wrote:

this statement - The use of "czars" (which is a media term and not an official title) has been expanding for decades. The executive branch has a lot of responsibilities and the President has to delegate. ----depends on what country right? Could be one her before you know it.

WE and that mean YOU and ME. The peasants, plebeians, peons, common folk, commoners.

We only know what they want us to know. We will never know the WHOLE truth to any of this. This is a game f never ending pong; always back and forth.

How many of you believe that this country will see ANOTHER CIVIL WAR before their lifetime is over? They always said the south will rise again...to bad I'm stuck down here.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Are you suggesting that the use of the term "czar" for administrative officials in the executive branch is somehow going to lead to the US being ruled by an actual Russian style Tsar?

We keep losing freedoms for more security and in retrospect usually end up regretting those decisions. More paper work for passports, more background checks, more security at the airport, ban list of people who can and can't fly.

lol my friends kid who is 5 can't fly because he's a threat to the country.

Its quite intrusive on my privacy, why should I have to tell the Government anything other than what I fill out on my taxes......which they say the IRS is an illegal organization anyways. Don't quote me on that, I'm going to do some research after this post.

Not before as are my heathen customs.


Release the school records. Its his choice to seal them. Its the same as Romneys returns (see Harry Reid). Lets see more of these great papers that he wrote. You are not required to do it but you should.

The czars for bush implied he wasnt smart enough to do the job. They give the impression that he has more power than maybe he should have.

Conspiracy theory-GWB was blamed for rising gas prices and his VP was controlling them.

As far as the birth certificate he claimed that Hawaii couldnt release them and what do you know they finally did.


g0atsticks wrote:
thejeff wrote:
g0atsticks wrote:

this statement - The use of "czars" (which is a media term and not an official title) has been expanding for decades. The executive branch has a lot of responsibilities and the President has to delegate. ----depends on what country right? Could be one her before you know it.

WE and that mean YOU and ME. The peasants, plebeians, peons, common folk, commoners.

We only know what they want us to know. We will never know the WHOLE truth to any of this. This is a game f never ending pong; always back and forth.

How many of you believe that this country will see ANOTHER CIVIL WAR before their lifetime is over? They always said the south will rise again...to bad I'm stuck down here.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Are you suggesting that the use of the term "czar" for administrative officials in the executive branch is somehow going to lead to the US being ruled by an actual Russian style Tsar?

We keep losing freedoms for more security and in retrospect usually end up regretting those decisions. More paper work for passports, more background checks, more security at the airport, ban list of people who can and can't fly.

lol my friends kid who is 5 can't fly because he's a threat to the country.

Its quite intrusive on my privacy, why should I have to tell the Government anything other than what I fill out on my taxes......which they say the IRS is an illegal organization anyways. Don't quote me on that, I'm going to do some research after this post.

Not before as are my heathen customs.

Yeah. I agree with you about a lot of that. The security state has been growing for years.

Does this have anything to do with czars? Or the Obama's secret plans to turn us into a Muslim Marxist anti-colonialist hell? Or is it just a generic anti-government rant?
Cause, frankly, if you're buying into the "IRS is an illegal organization" junk, you're way out in conspiracy land already.


wicked cool wrote:

Release the school records. Its his choice to seal them. Its the same as Romneys returns (see Harry Reid). Lets see more of these great papers that he wrote. You are not required to do it but you should.

The czars for bush implied he wasnt smart enough to do the job. They give the impression that he has more power than maybe he should have.

Conspiracy theory-GWB was blamed for rising gas prices and his VP was controlling them.

As far as the birth certificate he claimed that Hawaii couldnt release them and what do you know they finally did.

Except that Romney's returns may actually be relevant, since he's running largely on his economic/business record.

And it's been far more common to release taxes than school records.

And finally, the real reason the demand for school records started was to scrounge for clues that this scary black foreigner isn't a real American. You know it wouldn't stop if he released his school records. It didn't stop when the birth certificate was released.

And it really seems that you've bought into it too, since you keep hinting he should have done this or that or he was lying about the certificate or something else.
I'm done with this.

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wicked cool wrote:
Release the school records. Its his choice to seal them. Its the same as Romneys returns (see Harry Reid). Lets see more of these great papers that he wrote. You are not required to do it but you should.

Tax returns are traditionally released by presidential candidates, a tradition started by Mitt Romney's father. School records are not.

(Interesting fact: George Romney ran for president, despite not being born in the US! His parents lived in Mexico when he was born, having gone there to escape enforcement of polygamy laws.)

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As far as the birth certificate he claimed that Hawaii couldnt release them and what do you know they finally did.

Got a source for that? Birther nonsense is almost always an exaggeration.

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I've wondered for a long time whether Obama was admitted due to quotas and whether he recieved financial aid under the claim of foreign citizenship.


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I'm no Obama supporter, but I don't like the implications of that ponderance. In your mind, is there no other way for him to have gotten into Harvard?


Martin Kauffman 530 wrote:
I've wondered for a long time whether Obama was admitted due to quotas and whether he recieved financial aid under the claim of foreign citizenship.

And do you have any reason to think that? Other than he's black.

He graduated Harvard magna cum laude. That certainly suggests he was up to the standard, whether he filled a quota or not.

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All I know, living in IL, is Obama did nothing while being a Senator in the IL Congress. He voted almost 100% of the time "present" rather than stand on any issue. He was groomed by Emil Jones to run for Senate. Emil has huge ties to IL Power and they basically fast tracked Obama through the Senate to run for President. This state is a mess and Chicago is a mess. Obama did nothing for this state just like he is doing nothing for this country.

We can't have another 4 yrs of Obama standing by printing money and not making hard choices. His moral fight with catholics and gay rights aside..the economy is the most important thing and Obama and his staff have no clue how to fix things.

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Martin Kauffman 530 wrote:
I've wondered for a long time whether Obama was admitted due to quotas and whether he recieved financial aid under the claim of foreign citizenship.

If he was admitted under an affirmative action program, then he's the poster boy for it, because now he's a millionaire author and successful politician.

As for the nonsense about citizenship, it's more baseless speculation. I've often wondered of Obama secretly has cancer. RELEASE THE MEICAL RECORDS OBUMMER

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Obama is a smart man...I think he was in Harvard of his own accord. I also find him unamerican and think he could destroy this country. That I disagree with him does not mean I consider him an idiot.

He may have received aid, but who turns down any aid they receive for school?


Danubus wrote:

All I know, living in IL, is Obama did nothing while being a Senator in the IL Congress. He voted almost 100% of the time "present" rather than stand on any issue. He was groomed by Emil Jones to run for Senate. Emil has huge ties to IL Power and they basically fast tracked Obama through the Senate to run for President. This state is a mess and Chicago is a mess. Obama did nothing for this state just like he is doing nothing for this country.

We can't have another 4 yrs of Obama standing by printing money and not making hard choices. His moral fight with catholics and gay rights aside..the economy is the most important thing and Obama and his staff have no clue how to fix things.

Please check facts before posting: According to Fact Check Obama voted present 129 times out of roughly 4000 votes or about 3%.

And if you remember, the economy was in freefall when Obama took office. That came to a halt within months of the stimulus passing and has been on a slow recovery ever since, despite pretty much everything Obama has tried to do to help it being hamstrung by Republicans.

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Danubus wrote:
All I know, living in IL, is Obama did nothing while being a Senator in the IL Congress. He voted almost 100% of the time "present" rather than stand on any issue.

This is very interesting math! Obama voted present 130 time in the state senate. I am not sure how that is almost 100% of his over 4000 votes in the Illinois senate; in fact it is something like 3%. Now, that is actually a lot, but surely you don't have to make s!#@ up to make your point.

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Why are you bringing facts into this discussion?! They don't need facts. For god's sake he's a anti-colonial, muslim, marxist, nazi, black, anti-christ who is working for the Jewish masters of the New World Order. Come on. Get with it!


I still want to know why anti-colonialism is bad. Is going into primitive lands, taking their resources, destroying their cultures, exploiting their labor and sometimes just killing them and settling their land actually supposed to be a good thing?


Anti-colonialists would let Puerto Rico and Guam go free, give Texas back to Mexico, Alaska back to Russia, and promote intermarriage and, probably, reparations.


Sanakht Inaros wrote:
Why are you bringing facts into this discussion?! They don't need facts. For god's sake he's a anti-colonial, muslim, marxist, nazi, black, anti-christ who is working for the Jewish masters of the New World Order. Come on. Get with it!

Come, come, gentlemen, we're never going to make any new politroll friends like this!

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This should probably be moved to OT to the imaginary poli-forum due to the political nature of this film.


I disagree. Here in the Movies Thread it has the potential to attract new faces and not the same old same olds.


It was moved from there because it was about a movie.

I was amused then, because it was pretty obvious where it was going to go.


He voted present on bills that were controversial and could have hindered re-election hopes including abortion bills and crime bills (NY times and NPR). It may be a small percentage but it seems these bills would have shown where in he stood on these issues. His democratic opponets tried to use it against him but Hope and change won the day.

D'souza argues that Obamas views were shaped by his father. that his father resented America/collonial countries for plundering their land and that his end game is to diminish americas power, give back to these other countries, and his comments on your didnt build that imply he wants to take seize the wealth from individuals and give back to the government.

"And if you remember, the economy was in freefall when Obama took office. That came to a halt within months of the stimulus passing and has been on a slow recovery ever since, despite pretty much everything Obama has tried to do to help it being hamstrung by Republicans"- I wouldnt call it a recovery

HE promised more and said he would not run again if he failed. His budget cant even get out of a democrat controlled Senate! He had complete control for 2 years and americans saw what kind of trouble we wre in and reversed course on congress. TED KENNEDYS SEAT IS NOW REPUBLICAN!!! GM is still a mess and the tax payers are on the hook for a boatload of money that they wont ever get back . Have u seen the deficit since he took office. Its still growing. This is Jimmy Carter all over again and i was only a young lad during those days.

I have never seen a president take less responsibility


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Or, folks will say 'Great! Now I have to hide threads in Movies, too'.


A Man In Black wrote:


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As far as the birth certificate he claimed that Hawaii couldnt release them and what do you know they finally did.
Got a source for that? Birther nonsense is almost always an exaggeration.

If I recall correctly, Hawaii keeps hard copies of the long-form (that is, full) birth certificates in a facility. Birth certificate releases are done in short-form (condensed/abbreviated?) no matter how they are requested, although I believe it is possibly to request to see the long-form in person. Until the Hawaiian Sec. of State decided to release the long-form certificate only the abbreviated one was released. This shorter certificate caused some people to cry foul and accuse them of having released a forgery even though it was also backed up by eye witness accounts and newspaper announcements.

As for the "country's toughest sheriff" looking into it further, he's just playing politics and wasting his state/county's money. (Although the accusations against him and his force of racist behavior and/or profiling may hinder his operation slightly)

This is from memory so if I messed up some details I apologize.


Tristram wrote:
A Man In Black wrote:


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As far as the birth certificate he claimed that Hawaii couldnt release them and what do you know they finally did.
Got a source for that? Birther nonsense is almost always an exaggeration.

If I recall correctly, Hawaii keeps hard copies of the long-form (that is, full) birth certificates in a facility. Birth certificate releases are done in short-form (condensed/abbreviated?) no matter how they are requested, although I believe it is possibly to request to see the long-form in person. Until the Hawaiian Sec. of State decided to release the long-form certificate only the abbreviated one was released. This shorter certificate caused some people to cry foul and accuse them of having released a forgery even though it was also backed up by eye witness accounts and newspaper announcements.

As for the "country's toughest sheriff" looking into it further, he's just playing politics and wasting his state/county's money. (Although the accusations against him and his force of racist behavior and/or profiling may hinder his operation slightly)

This is from memory so if I messed up some details I apologize.

Sounds about right to me. I'm assuming that Obama pulled strings/made a special request/abused his power to get the long form released.

And I'm sure Joe is a) trying to use this to distract from his own problems and/or b) setting up for a claim of being persecuted to stop his investigation.

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I know the Birther background, I just wanted to know where he was getting that particular narrative.


A Man In Black wrote:
I know the Birther background, I just wanted to know where he was getting that particular narrative.

Ah. There's a core of truth to it, since when the short form was released it was claimed that Hawaii didn't put out anything else. It's only a short jump from there to "Somebody must have been lying!"

I don't actually know how the full version came out. One possibility is that all the President's defenders were lying and that all he needed to do is ask for the long form and he could have released it all along so he must have been hiding something. Another is that the Hawaiian officials finally decided (possibly with pressure from the administration) that this was an exceptional circumstance and they agreed to produce a copy of the long verison.


Bipartidism sucks.


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Danubus wrote:
We can't have another 4 yrs of Obama standing by printing money and not making hard choices. His moral fight with catholics and gay rights aside... the economy is the most important thing and Obama and his staff have no clue how to fix things.

Some questionable math aside, in all candor I salute you for attacking Obama on legitimate grounds (i.e., he's a plutocrat stooge who's allowing the economy to continue to falter out of impotence and/or allegiance to his corporate masters -- most of which is probably true), rather than on the whacko tinfoil-hat ones that so many people seem drawn to (i.e., Birther stuff, ZOG New World Order stuff, secret conspiracies to smuggle Muslims in across the Mexican border before declaring Sharia law, etc., etc., etc. -- most of which is paranoid methamphetemine delusion).

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