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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

[smacks Dicey]

One goblin, one vote!

Lucky for us, when you go in the voting booth the names will steal the words from your head and you will vote randomly. Goblins will be evenly distributed between the candidates.


Caineach wrote:
I really do not get this importance placed on Obama's grades. College grades have no correlation with success, are a terrible measure of intelligence, and completely ignored by every hiring manager looking for someone after their first job out of college. They are completely irrelevant to everything in your life.

It's part of the birther thing. They assume there'll be something in his transcripts that'll reveal the truth.

Martin Kauffman 530 wrote:
I've wondered for a long time whether Obama was admitted due to quotas and whether he recieved financial aid under the claim of foreign citizenship.


thejeff wrote:
Caineach wrote:
I really do not get this importance placed on Obama's grades. College grades have no correlation with success, are a terrible measure of intelligence, and completely ignored by every hiring manager looking for someone after their first job out of college. They are completely irrelevant to everything in your life.

It's part of the birther thing. They assume there'll be something in his transcripts that'll reveal the truth.

Martin Kauffman 530 wrote:
I've wondered for a long time whether Obama was admitted due to quotas and whether he recieved financial aid under the claim of foreign citizenship.

Nah, I get that part. But they always focus on what his grades were, like they somehow matter to anyone, ever.


Caineach wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Caineach wrote:
I really do not get this importance placed on Obama's grades. College grades have no correlation with success, are a terrible measure of intelligence, and completely ignored by every hiring manager looking for someone after their first job out of college. They are completely irrelevant to everything in your life.

It's part of the birther thing. They assume there'll be something in his transcripts that'll reveal the truth.

Martin Kauffman 530 wrote:
I've wondered for a long time whether Obama was admitted due to quotas and whether he recieved financial aid under the claim of foreign citizenship.
Nah, I get that part. But they always focus on what his grades were, like they somehow matter to anyone, ever.

Because, for public consumption, they're not willing to admit the real motive is a racist conspiracy theory.


If you dont like him you must be racist-WOW!!!!

Actually now that you said it i realize its all a powerful illusion spell and in fact hes terrific. I give him a A+. Lets throw out term limits and give him complete control.
His campaign told us he had a GPA of close to 4+. We dont need to see it we only need to see past presidents records and question their millitary service. Harry Reid says he has a source that Romney didnt pay taxes. I'll take Harry's word for it becuase he wouldnt lie for the sake of the party. those arenet Gaffe's by Biden they are exellent points. Elizabeth Warren said she is part Cherokee but she didnt get a benefit out of it. She didnt lie. Only republicans lie. Bill Clinton never cheated n his wife that was just more propganda. Thats not 23 million people out of work. Thats not 4 dollar gas. Thats not an open Gitmo prison. I just didnt pay over 100 dollars in groceries for 1/2 the groceries that i bought this time last year. Thats not soldiers still in 2 wars. Thats not an unstable middle east. My poperty values are still not going down. My 401 K is fine. Thats not his failed stimulus/national debt. Nope hes perfect and cant be blamed for any of it. What did we expect? Reagan didnt do a good job. Foxnews just made up stories about Carter. His favorable rating is really 74% instead of 47%. Its not really that close of an election its just the media selling papers and racists. Right.

Thanks for the boost on the saving throw!

Scarab Sages

Sometimes, the truth hurts.


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wicked cool wrote:

If you dont like him you must be racist-WOW!!!!

No. The birther crap is racist.


Warning. Do not ingest me when paranoid.

But if you bogart my cheetos, I'll come down hard on you like a flagrant ad hominem.

{twirls 'stache}


thejeff wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

[smacks Dicey]

One goblin, one vote!

Agreed. One goblin will be allowed to vote.

Racist swine!

Down with the jeff!

Vive le Galt!


Caineach wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

[smacks Dicey]

One goblin, one vote!

Lucky for us, when you go in the voting booth the names will steal the words from your head and you will vote randomly. Goblins will be evenly distributed between the candidates.

Down with Caineach, too!


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wicked cool wrote:

If you dont like him you must be racist-WOW!!!!

Actually now that you said it i realize its all a powerful illusion spell and in fact hes terrific. I give him a A+. Lets throw out term limits and give him complete control.
His campaign told us he had a GPA of close to 4+. We dont need to see it we only need to see past presidents records and question their millitary service. Harry Reid says he has a source that Romney didnt pay taxes. I'll take Harry's word for it becuase he wouldnt lie for the sake of the party. those arenet Gaffe's by Biden they are exellent points. Elizabeth Warren said she is part Cherokee but she didnt get a benefit out of it. She didnt lie. Only republicans lie. Bill Clinton never cheated n his wife that was just more propganda. Thats not 23 million people out of work. Thats not 4 dollar gas. Thats not an open Gitmo prison. I just didnt pay over 100 dollars in groceries for 1/2 the groceries that i bought this time last year. Thats not soldiers still in 2 wars. Thats not an unstable middle east. My poperty values are still not going down. My 401 K is fine. Thats not his failed stimulus/national debt. Nope hes perfect and cant be blamed for any of it. What did we expect? Reagan didnt do a good job. Foxnews just made up stories about Carter. His favorable rating is really 74% instead of 47%. Its not really that close of an election its just the media selling papers and racists. Right.

Thanks for the boost on the saving throw!

I bet I hate Obama more than you.

Birther shiznit is racist shiznit.

I couldn't care less where that stooge of the plutocracy was born.


Marijuakurion {4:20} wrote:

Warning. Do not ingest me when paranoid.

But if you bogart my cheetos, I'll come down hard on you like a flagrant ad hominem.

{twirls 'stache}

[bubble bubble bubble]

And this shiznit ain't legal yet? God, I hate Obama.

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wicked cool wrote:

If you dont like him you must be racist-WOW!!!!

If you're asking questions about Obama that you'd never have thought to ask about a white president, then yes, you're being racist. Has there been ANY other single President in which a "birther" movement continues to persist in the face of official proof? Or this latest movie which acknowledges that he was born in Hawaii but somehow he's actually a Manchurian candidate who was deep programmed by a single meeting with his father at the age of 10 to be some kind of anti-American destroyer.


LazarX wrote:
but somehow he's actually a Manchurian candidate who was deep programmed by a single meeting with his father at the age of 10 to be some kind of anti-American destroyer.

If only it were true. But maybe it failed because the Right is right: boys need a strong father figure to emulate.

Vive le Galt!


LazarX wrote:
wicked cool wrote:

If you dont like him you must be racist-WOW!!!!

If you're asking questions about Obama that you'd never have thought to ask about a white president, then yes, you're being racist. Has there been ANY other single President in which a "birther" movement continues to persist in the face of official proof? Or this latest movie which acknowledges that he was born in Hawaii but somehow he's actually a Manchurian candidate who was deep programmed by a single meeting with his father at the age of 10 to be some kind of anti-American destroyer.

I would say this is the thrust of it.

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wicked cool wrote:
Still odd we didnt see it. GW graduated from college and hes portrayed as dumb. It sort of goes to the point below it. He seeems lost without a teleprompter. He was this great speaker in college but now hes lost his fastball without technology

GWB did not graduate magna cum laude. Also, he does fine without a prompter, stop repeating right wing news nonsense.

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Property damage? More like terrorism. Once again it goes back to what little we know about the president. What did he think of Wright/Ayers. Did he shake his head when Wright went on rants at church.

Yes.

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Didnt the media even ask the president if maybe he should choose her as his VP and dump Biden.

Sort of! John McCain started a rumor that the president was planning to drop Biden from the ticket, and it circulated on Fox News and right wing radio while pretty much everyone else ignored it. When a Fox News reporter asked a White House rep, it resulted in this absolutely amazing burn.

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4. We borrow more from China. This should have been on the list of how America will fall. China comes in and more buys more and more factories/land.

National debt does not work this way. If the US federal government decides not to pay back its debtors, they cannot come and repossess bits of the US. Federal bonds are backed in the confidence that the government will be there and willing to pay you back at the end of the term, not by collateral. On top of this, most of the US's federal debt is held by the federal government or US citizens.

Also, I remember 25 years ago, when we were worried about Japan doing the exact same thing. Conspiracy nuts: predicting 23452346234522432 of the last 0 foreign takeovers.

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5.We print more money to pay for everything so inflation skyrockets. If you or your parents are over the age of 60 ask them waht inflation was like.

Pssst. Not sure if you noticed, but inflation has been stagnant for about five years. Pop open a book and look at what happened in the Great Depression, though.

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5. Foreign Drug lords running rampant in the streets of out county. I dont remember this 20 years ago?

Then you weren't paying attention! Hell, one Richard Milhouse Nixon campaigned on doing something about the foreign drug trade, it's not a new problem.

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I dont remember "Whooping cough" and other deseases that were wiped out in this county now a major health problem.

Thank the anti-vaxxers for that!

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Triple E is now a major problem in this country and i'm afraid to go out after sundown and i live near a major city.

Have you considered the possibility that you're paranoid?

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LazarX wrote:
If you're asking questions about Obama that you'd never have thought to ask about a white president, then yes, you're being racist. Has there been ANY other single President in which a "birther" movement continues to persist in the face of official proof? Or this latest movie which acknowledges that he was born in Hawaii but somehow he's actually a Manchurian candidate who was deep programmed by a single meeting with his father at the age of 10 to be some kind of anti-American destroyer.

The ultimately hilarious part of Birtherism is that there's no requirement that the president be born in the US, but only born a US citizen. This has been put to the test, most recently by George Romney (who was born in Mexico), in 1968.


If you're asking questions about Obama that you'd never have thought to ask about a white president, then yes, you're being racist. Has there been ANY other single President in which a "birther" movement continues to persist in the face of official proof? Or this latest movie which acknowledges that he was born in Hawaii but somehow he's actually a Manchurian candidate who was deep programmed by a single meeting with his father at the age of 10 to be some kind of anti-American destroyer.

Well you got me on that. Once again though the movie doesnt have anything to do with the birther movement. I think the scrutiny of a presidents background started with George Bush and Chaney (Micahel Moore). He was responsible for high gas prices, 9-11 and Katrina. These conspiracys are still around today. For the most part republicans laughed it off. Turns out this movie is doing well and should have a good weekend.


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I see things getting worse

1. Healthcare costs going up. I have a great healthcare plan and i pay a lot more than i did 4 years ago. I see less medical advances coming out of this country and more of us paying cash for necessary procedures.

Really sure we are having more medical advances. Not sure where you are getting your numbers. As for expenses, that is why a major part of Obamacare is to try to reform the system to reduce them.

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2. I dont see unemployment getting lower. If he wins taxes go up. Whats the incentive for companies to stay here. More pople get layed off and the debt increases. Ohh right more green jobs and shovel ready jobs. Lets not forget railroads and high speed trains.

Unemployment isn't changing much at this point. It would be significantly lower if Republican governers weren't pushing austerity measures on citizens, like every ecconomist says is the wrong thing to do in a depression. The private sector is back to pre-recession levels. The public sector has hemmoraged so many jobs that it accounts for over 1% of unemployment.

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3. Education costs go up. He pours a ton of money into the education system and more pople qualify for student loans. Who pays for those grants? The college absorbs part of those costs and therefore tuition goes up. K-12 education also gets money so everyones property taxes go up to pay for the teachers salaries. even though they can barely afford their mortgages

Tuition has been skyrocketting for long before Obama. It was going up at more than twice the rate of inflation since the 90s. Increased federal funding for college has made it more affordable, but its no where near enough.

Teachers salaries are so low in this country that we have trouble finding qualified proffessionals willing to enter the proffession. Why should I go for a masters degree to fight for a teaching position that pays less than half of what my bachelors degree gets me in the private sector? Compounded on this is the fact that state bennefits, where the public sector has traditionally been able to compete, have been gutted to the point where in many places they are worse than what I can get in the private sector.

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4. We borrow more from China. This should have been on the list of how America will fall. China comes in and more buys more and more factories/land.

Besides most of our debt being owned by US citizens, this is just crazy on so many levels its laughable.

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5.We print more money to pay for everything so inflation skyrockets. If you or your parents are over the age of 60 ask them waht inflation was like.

Inflation has been pretty stable. We should be printing more money now, since we can take on debt at astoundingly low interest rates.

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5. Foreign Drug lords running rampant in the streets of out county. I dont remember this 20 years ago? I dont remember "Whooping cough" and other deseases that were wiped out in this county now a major health problem. Triple E is now a major problem in this country and i'm afraid to go out after sundown and i live near a major city.

Have you ever seen an 80s movie? Drug addict blacks and mexicans are so common its insulting. Not to mention the Russian mob. The drug war started decades ago because of foreign drugs.

As for other health epidemics - the right and left wing crazies area a serious health epidemic for all of us. Anti-vaxers are a problem, but that is people choosing to put the rest of us at risk and the government not intervening. For someone complaining about government control, now you are being a hypocrit for the government not forcing people to do stuff.

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wicked cool wrote:
Well you got me on that. Once again though the movie doesnt have anything to do with the birther movement. I think the scrutiny of a presidents background started with George Bush and Chaney (Micahel Moore).

Then you're wrong. Just ask poor Tom Eagleton.


A Man In Black wrote:
wicked cool wrote:
Well you got me on that. Once again though the movie doesnt have anything to do with the birther movement. I think the scrutiny of a presidents background started with George Bush and Chaney (Micahel Moore).
Then you're wrong. Just ask poor Tom Eagleton.

And of course, Clinton's background wasn't even glanced at.


Check out THIS election year, if you think it's bad now.

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If such a man as Mr. Jefferson [a Deist] were to hold the reins of government... In a short time, licentiousness and immorality would meet with the most public approbation, every restraint would soon be thrown off, and men would soon bring themselves to be infamous debauchees, assassins, cheats, thieves, liars, hateful and hating one another, a curse upon the earth.

I also like the rumors about Jefferson's supposed intent to import a "Congo Harem" of sex slaves to the White House if elected.

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wicked cool wrote:

Once again though the movie doesnt have anything to do with the birther movement. I think the scrutiny of a presidents background started with George Bush and Chaney (Micahel Moore). He was responsible for high gas prices, 9-11 and Katrina. These conspiracys are still around today. For the most part republicans laughed it off. Turns out this movie is doing well and should have a good weekend.

The movie was clever enough not to fall for the actual fallacy of the birther movement. Instead it went for a more insidous and I say racist approach. It attacked Obama's parentage, assumed some deep level conditioning from the one single encounter he had with his father as a 10 year old boy, and cast him as some "UnAmerican" creature in tones approaching that of an SF horror flick.

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It's not even a new conspiracy theory. It's the exact same theory as Manchurean Clinton, with Obama's father in place of Clinton's visit to Moscow as a college student.


It would be significantly lower if Republican governers weren't pushing austerity measures on citizens, like every ecconomist says is the wrong thing to do in a depression. The private sector is back to pre-recession levels. The public sector has hemmoraged so many jobs that it accounts for over 1% of unemployment.

The bad republican governors have found a way to balance their budgets and have even gotten themselves relected because of it (Wisconsin for example). not sure what economists can say to argue with that as you cant be in the red. Sorry to tell you that the private sector is not doing well. The construction industry is at a standstill for most of the county and if people are getting rehired its for lower/minimum wage. Wheres your evidence that the preivate sector is above pre-recession levels.

The public sector has to cut jobs (teachers, police etc) because town cant go into the red on their financials and voters wont allow tax increases (they must be racists). Simple math-Tax values rose so schools/towns got higher tax revenues. When those housing values went down town have to adjust. Governors/town leaders who didnt adjust didnt get re-elected. So all the extra town officials that got hired during the great times got let go or retired. Heres the kicker-People who get full reitrement benefits the town has to continue to pay for them. Tose people are living longer and that eats into the budget as well.If values dont go up (most havent they continue to go down) unemployment will rise.

As for teachers pay thats the history of this county. You choose to go into that profession knowing you wont make money. If you get your masters degree and want to make money then teach at a private university that will pay you (Harvard).

Why should the private sector pay for the retirement benefits of a teacher/public sector employee? Sorry there isnt enough money and the public is waking up to this now. The average US salary for a teacher is mid 40K-60K and they dont work a full year. College professors make a lot more. 40-60K is pretty good for the private sector these days.

In 2011 China held 1.13 trillion of us treasury debt (24% of total foreign debt)

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You're right! The perfect solution to widespread unemployment is to lay off teachers. This will fix the economy because


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The average US salary for a teacher is mid 40K-60K and they dont work a full year. College professors make a lot more. 40-60K is pretty good for the private sector these days.

40-60K is the low end for technology jobs for bachelors students just leaving college. Its not pretty good for the private sector these days. Its especially terrible for anyone with a masters degree. Most of my friends graduated to 65K+, and almost all of them with 5 years experience are riding 80K or more. And when you throw in a teacher's hours worked per week, they end up working more anually than most people do in a year, even with summers off. And many teachers, especially younger ones, have to work summers without extra pay because they have an anual salary and must teach summer school. Private schools don't pay significantly better, and many pay worse, because they have lower requirements for teachers.

As for college professors - tell that to my friends who are trying to become one. Most can barely live off what they make. Many college proffessors are collecting welfare because their low salaries put them below the poverty line.

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The public sector has to cut jobs (teachers, police etc) because town cant go into the red on their financials and voters wont allow tax increases (they must be racists). Simple math-Tax values rose so schools/towns got higher tax revenues. When those housing values went down town have to adjust. Governors/town leaders who didnt adjust didnt get re-elected. So all the extra town officials that got hired during the great times got let go or retired. Heres the kicker-People who get full reitrement benefits the town has to continue to pay for them. Tose people are living longer and that eats into the budget as well.If values dont go up (most havent they continue to go down) unemployment will rise.

State and federal government operates in the red all the time, and right now the federal government interest rates on bonds is rediculously low. They can borrow all the money they want because people are willing to give it to them for practically no return on investment. This gives the federal government the ability to borrow money to help out struggling school districts and state governments right now, while they are going through budget crisis caused by the slow ecconomy. Instead, Republicans in congress are trying to reduce federal aid.

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In 2011 China held 1.13 trillion of us treasury debt (24% of total foreign debt)

emphasis mine

It was only 8% of total debt. And while large, is not a scary number.


wicked cool wrote:
The average US salary for a teacher is mid 40K-60K and they dont work a full year.

I worked from 7 am to 4 pm, with 20 minutes off for lunch (call it half-hour for easy math) = 8.5 hrs/day, plus 2 hours/day minimum after that grading papers, preparing materials, etc. (not to mention working on weekends on that stuff), for an average work week of something like 55 hours+. I did NOT get summers off; I performed "additional duties as assigned by principal" (it's in the contract). I made $21,000/year in 1996, which, adjusted for inflation, would still be less than $24,000. That's with a bachelor's and halfway to a master's degree in the relevant subject matter.

I work in industry now. The pay is two or three times better, and I only work three-fourths as many hours for it.


I taught a cartooning elective for an Accelerated Program. An Acelerated Program is where they take the kids who're failing badly out of the regular system and give them extra training in the subjects they're failing, while just doing bottom of the barrel education in the subjects they're proficient in. Point is, it was Comrade Obama style community service program.

I had no kind of credentials, but I earned $60 for teaching two hours; that was also what I would have earned for teaching 60 hours a week without a degree. My point is, you can parse the figures however you want to: $60 dollars is a terrific hourly wage, but a s+*@ty weekly salary.

But we should definitely cut federal education funding, cause it's those hoity-toity teachers we see in the expensive restaurants every night, eating filet mignon and laughing at the common, right?


wicked cool wrote:


How about most of his early life.

Ok, look.

You can't not take the remotest level of effort to find something and then say "He's hiding it!"

Here's a complete timeline of his life, its the second link in a google search for obama, timeline.

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His hippy and white as the driven snow mother took him to Indonesia with her, where she was teaching english at the american embasy. She sent him back to the states when he was 10 because the education he was getting over there wasn't cutting it. He attended a local catholic school, but when his dad got a promotion and moved to a better neighborhood he went to the public school.

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highschool

Punahou, a prep school in Hawaii.

Here's a picture of him on the basketball team

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college?

Occidental College, Los Angeles

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Heck i dont even know what chicago sports teams he likes as he cant keep his stories straight

Oh no. He's lying about paying attention to sports. The fabric of the country is unraveling.

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Yes it does. It goes back to point #1.

The disingenuous doubt is fueling the willful ignorance and the willful ignorance is fueling the disingenuous doubt.

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Still odd we didnt see it. GW graduated from college and hes portrayed as dumb.

Bush kind of did that one himself. He's a harvard educated man from connecticut, but ran in the anti intellectual republican party of texas. He played up the dumb everyman aspect and got himself a ranch and a texan accent.

As to the grades...

Show us your birth certificate: Obama: Here's my birth certificate, an announcement in the paper announcing my birth.

Thats not a birth certifictate its a certificate of live birth!

Obama: Seriously? Ok, there's no mechanism for asking for the long form but here it is.

Its faaaaake! faaaaaaaake!

Why hand out his grades? They'll get the same response.

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It sort of goes to the point below it. He seeems lost without a teleprompter. He was this great speaker in college but now hes lost his fastball without technology

It probably has to do with how willing people are to take anything a politicians says completely out of context.

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Dont people do this all the time? Dont great leaders, coaches in history prove it to be so. Once more excuses

Its called reality. show me a bad speech of his. Not one flub in the middle of the speech, a speech where the whole thing is bad. Contrast that with someone that you think is a good speaker. WHo do you consider to be a good speaker?

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And yet it hasnt gotten better. Ohh right blame the other guy.

You do realize that the president is not actually the one in charge of the laws right?

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Property damage? More like terrorism.

Whats their death toll? When you set off a bomb at 6 am in front of a building that says "open at 9 am" it kind of says you're not trying to kill anyone, just make a point.

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Once again it goes back to what little we know about the president. What did he think of Wright/Ayers. Did he shake his head when Wright went on rants at church.

Circular nonsense. You have to start with the idea that we know nothing about the president to conclude we know nothing about him.

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He talks about higher taxes for those making over $250. He talks about more regulations. He doesnt talk about more loopholes.

Where are you getting your information from?

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I dont remember unemployment over 8% for this long, national debt this high, a world economy collapsing and so much uncertainty.

The world is going to end. The russians are going to nuke us. quick hide under your desk.

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When he closes those loopholes who do you think these banks and 1%'s pass the costs onto? Food, gas, electricity, miniatures, etc are all at high prices. Nothing has gone down under this great man that has done no wrong and its the congress's fault?

What powers do you think the president has without congress?

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1. Healthcare costs going up. I have a great healthcare plan and i pay a lot more than i did 4 years ago. I see less medical advances coming out of this country and more of us paying cash for necessary procedures.

In what year were healthcare costs going down?

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2. I dont see unemployment getting lower. If he wins taxes go up. Whats the incentive for companies to stay here. More pople get layed off and the debt increases. Ohh right more green jobs and shovel ready jobs. Lets not forget railroads and high speed trains.

GE pays NO corporate taxes. It STILL ships jobs overseas. Why? Because they can work their employees to death, pay them nothing, pollute the air till you can't breathe it and dump the chemicals out the window. China is always going to be a more attractive option unless you want to try to out china china... which is a bad idea.

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3. Education costs go up. He pours a ton of money into the education system and more pople qualify for student loans. Who pays for those grants? The college absorbs part of those costs and therefore tuition goes up. K-12 education also gets money so everyones property taxes go up to pay for the teachers salaries. even though they can barely afford their mortgages

In what year hasn't this been the case?

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4. We borrow more from China. This should have been on the list of how America will fall. China comes in and more buys more and more factories/land.

Much easier to buy the corporations that own them instead.

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5.We print more money to pay for everything so inflation skyrockets. If you or your parents are over the age of 60 ask them waht inflation was like.

Again, in what year was this not the case?

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Foreign Drug lords running rampant in the streets of out county.

Right, in the 80's we had AMERICAN drug lords running rampant in the streets of our cities dammit!

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I dont remember this 20 years ago? I dont remember "Whooping cough" and other deseases that were wiped out in this county now a major health problem.

You can thank the anti vaccination folks for that.

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Triple E is now a major problem in this country and i'm afraid to go out after sundown and i live near a major city.

Tripple E is...?

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You say he cant win but polls show its a tie.

Except the national poll means nothing, he needs to win the electoral college.

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After 1 debate (Carter only allowed 1) the tide changed and it became too close to call and Reagan won by a landslide.

Obama didn't dump stat charisma.

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I hear a lot of people who vote democrat say i wish there was a 3rd choice. If these same people vote 3rd party then Romneys chances grow.

People say the same thing on the right, which just shows how bleeped the system is. Going on Romney voting record he's pretty indistinguishable from Obama.

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I removed some derailery (is that a word) and at least one direct insult. Also, let's keept he discussion to the film: otherwise you need a different thread in Off-Topic.

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I removed some derailery (is that a word) and at least one direct insult. Also, let's keept he discussion to the film: otherwise you need a different thread in Off-Topic.

"derailmency"?


BigNorseWolf wrote:
People say the same thing on the right, which just shows how bleeped the system is. Going on Romney voting record he's pretty indistinguishable from Obama.

The only trouble with going by Romney's voting record is that he's pretty much repudiated every thing in it that makes him anything like Obama.

I'd say that what it really shows is that he has no actual convictions (other than that he deserves to be president). He played moderate Republican to win in Massachusetts. He's playing extreme conservative to win nationally.

I assume he doesn't really care about any of it. There's no real reason to think he's really like he was in Mass and is faking it now or to think this is the real Romney and he was faking it then.

As long as he needs the far right to win and to govern he'll keep playing the far right. Since, if he wins, he'll likely have a fairly extreme Congress to work with, I don't see any reason he'd resist them.

He did pick a VP candidate whose various budget plans promise to cut his taxes further. That may tell us something. Or it may not.


I want to know more about this earthquake prediction. Politics seems extremely unimportant compared to the ability to predict earthquakes.

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A Man In Black wrote:
It's not even a new conspiracy theory. It's the exact same theory as Manchurean Clinton, with Obama's father in place of Clinton's visit to Moscow as a college student.

Only Obama's father has more super programming skills since he did all of his brain washing in 10 short minutess

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wicked cool wrote:


The bad republican governors have found a way to balance their budgets and have even gotten themselves relected because of it (Wisconsin for example). not sure what economists can say to argue with that as you cant be in the red.

Christie did it by the ways many New Jersey Republican (and the occaisonal Democrat) governors do, by accounting tricks and theft such as deferring payments to retirement funds. Christie also cost the north part of the state a bushel of jobs by cancelling the Arc Tunnel project a move which will cost New Jersey even more in the long run.


LazarX wrote:
wicked cool wrote:


The bad republican governors have found a way to balance their budgets and have even gotten themselves relected because of it (Wisconsin for example). not sure what economists can say to argue with that as you cant be in the red.
Christie did it by the ways many New Jersey Republican (and the occaisonal Democrat) governors do, by accounting tricks and theft such as deferring payments to retirement funds. Christie also cost the north part of the state a bushel of jobs by cancelling the Arc Tunnel project a move which will cost New Jersey even more in the long run.

He seriously cancelled the Arc Tunnel? yeesh.


GM Elton wrote:
Zombieneighbours wrote:
GM Elton wrote:
Aretas wrote:
Hey has anyone seen this flick? What did you think of it?

I don't have to see it. I've pretty much studied the endgame and I've already made plans on where to be. In order to understand how the endgame is going to play out, I studied the ancient past.

So, I don't need Obama's 2016 to scare me. All I can do is make plans and get ready to be in the right place at the right time of where I need to be. 3 and one half years -- that's it. That's all I have to wait. And the first phase of the Endgame for America is over.

Then it really gets FUN!

You sound boarder line delusional, and over the event horizon of paranoid.

would you mind elaborating a little, to maybe easy my concerns for your well being and sanity?

Okay in order:

1. Hyperinflation of the dollar.

2. Fall of the American petroleum industry -- it will start in the south and work it's way north.

3. Fall of the American banking system and utter bottom out of the dollar. With the Eurobanks also in trouble, those in power will save the Eurobanks over the American banks. This happens because the number one motivation of Americans is money.

4. America will roughly suffer four quakes. One in the middle of the Country, one on the West Coast, and 2 in the Mountain States.

5. The Government mobilizes and then implants RFID chips in everyone. At first, it's voluntary, at second it's involuntary. If you resist, they tattoo your head or chop it off.

-- So, how can you slow this down? Really, I wondered what would happen if the General Public refuses to vote in the General Election for either party and voted for a third party. Any candidate, including the Communist candidate, would be voted for other than the Big Two. Vote 3rd party and don't vote for either the Republican or the Democratic Candidate. Give both parties the bird.

I think I've read that in a book, before. Can't remember which book though., it wasn't very good.

Irontruth wrote:
GM Elton wrote:


4. America will roughly suffer four quakes. One in the middle of the Country, one on the West Coast, and 2 in the Mountain States.

I just want to know how you can predict earthquakes, and why are you hoarding this knowledge? I'd think you'd at least be able to become a billionaire by selling information as a safety service for numerous countries.

Also, a musical interlude.

High five for the great taste in music.

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