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wicked wrote:
Whats is his vision for the county for the next 4 years. He goes out every day and attacks the other guy which is fine as its a virtual tie right now but what are his plans/promises for the future.

He gives a weekly speech about just that. Here's the most recent.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Danubus wrote:
We can't have another 4 yrs of Obama standing by printing money and not making hard choices. His moral fight with catholics and gay rights aside... the economy is the most important thing and Obama and his staff have no clue how to fix things.
Some questionable math aside, in all candor I salute you for attacking Obama on legitimate grounds (i.e., he's a plutocrat stooge who's allowing the economy to continue to falter out of impotence and/or allegiance to his corporate masters -- most of which is probably true), rather than on the whacko tinfoil-hat ones that so many people seem drawn to (i.e., Birther stuff, ZOG New World Order stuff, secret conspiracies to smuggle Muslims in across the Mexican border before declaring Sharia law, etc., etc., etc. -- most of which is paranoid methamphetemine delusion).

Of course the fact the alternative to you "plutocrat stooge" is an actual plutocrat instead kind of cuts into the logic here.

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Aretas wrote:
Hey has anyone seen this flick? What did you think of it?

I don't have to see it. I've pretty much studied the endgame and I've already made plans on where to be. In order to understand how the endgame is going to play out, I studied the ancient past.

So, I don't need Obama's 2016 to scare me. All I can do is make plans and get ready to be in the right place at the right time of where I need to be. 3 and one half years -- that's it. That's all I have to wait. And the first phase of the Endgame for America is over.

Then it really gets FUN!

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what


I always loved watching Dinesh D'Souza get spanked by Hitch. I would have loved to have heard what he had to say about this piece of dross, alas we'll never get that.


GM Elton wrote:
Aretas wrote:
Hey has anyone seen this flick? What did you think of it?

I don't have to see it. I've pretty much studied the endgame and I've already made plans on where to be. In order to understand how the endgame is going to play out, I studied the ancient past.

So, I don't need Obama's 2016 to scare me. All I can do is make plans and get ready to be in the right place at the right time of where I need to be. 3 and one half years -- that's it. That's all I have to wait. And the first phase of the Endgame for America is over.

Then it really gets FUN!

You sound boarder line delusional, and over the event horizon of paranoid.

would you mind elaborating a little, to maybe easy my concerns for your well being and sanity?


Oooh!

What did the ancients tell you?

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GM Elton wrote:
Aretas wrote:
Hey has anyone seen this flick? What did you think of it?

I don't have to see it. I've pretty much studied the endgame and I've already made plans on where to be. In order to understand how the endgame is going to play out, I studied the ancient past.

So, I don't need Obama's 2016 to scare me. All I can do is make plans and get ready to be in the right place at the right time of where I need to be. 3 and one half years -- that's it. That's all I have to wait. And the first phase of the Endgame for America is over.

Then it really gets FUN!

That's not the point of the movie. You're supposed to watch it and come to the realization that God sent Romney and Ryan to prevent the Obamapocalypse that the movie warns you about.

So remember kiddies vote to empower the rich, and starve the middle class, end Medicare as we know it, and all will be well.

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thejeff wrote:
Is colonialism supposed to have been good now?

Only when the United States (or a sponsored ally/proxy) practises it. As we tried to do in Southeast Asia, the Phillipines, and Puerto Rico. Unfortunately, we've failed to do so in the resource rich areas we really wanted.

Anti-colonialism movements are seen by the right as Anti-West because they involve the bulk of our allies. The movie avoids the literal "birther" movement by substituting a more insidious variant, that Obama is actually some kind of alien "Non-American" who simply happens to have been born an American. Kind of his own Manchurian Candidate.


LazarX wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Is colonialism supposed to have been good now?

Only when the United States (or a sponsored ally/proxy) practises it. As we tried to do in Southeast Asia, the Phillipines, and Puerto Rico. Unfortunately, we've failed to do so in the resource rich areas we really wanted.

Anti-colonialism movements are seen by the right as Anti-West because they involve the bulk of our allies. The movie avoids the literal "birther" movement by substituting a more insidious variant, that Obama is actually some kind of alien "Non-American" who simply happens to have been born an American. Kind of his own Manchurian Candidate.

Or in other words: scary, foreign, ethnic, not like us. Or more simply: black.


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thejeff wrote:
Of course the fact the alternative to you "plutocrat stooge" is an actual plutocrat instead kind of cuts into the logic here.

Only if you're resigned to there being only two choices (or, actually, one choice, in my estimation -- because I personally don't see a hell of a lot of difference, if any, between Obama and Romney except maybe a pair of magic underwear or something). I've given up on the "lesser of two evils" approach.


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Kirth Gersen wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Of course the fact the alternative to you "plutocrat stooge" is an actual plutocrat instead kind of cuts into the logic here.
Only if you're resigned to there being only two choices (or, actually, one choice, in my estimation -- because I personally don't see a hell of a lot of difference, if any, between Obama and Romney except maybe a pair of magic underwear or something). I've given up on the "lesser of two evils" approach.

On ecconomic policy, government power, and stooge of the big banks, I agree with you.

On civil rights, I prefer the group that is not trying to eliminate minority protections or reduce women's rights.

On a sanity level, I prefer the group led by at least some semblance of data instead of crazy anti-intelectualism.

Overall though, I wish there was a political party that advocated strong consumer protections, increased regulations on buisnesses (especially banking and environmental), a strong social welfare system (its cheaper to provide people a safety net than deal with them when they go broke), and got the government out of people's personal lives.


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Caineach wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Of course the fact the alternative to you "plutocrat stooge" is an actual plutocrat instead kind of cuts into the logic here.
Only if you're resigned to there being only two choices (or, actually, one choice, in my estimation -- because I personally don't see a hell of a lot of difference, if any, between Obama and Romney except maybe a pair of magic underwear or something). I've given up on the "lesser of two evils" approach.

On ecconomic policy, government power, and stooge of the big banks, I agree with you.

On civil rights, I prefer the group that is not trying to eliminate minority protections or reduce women's rights.

On a sanity level, I prefer the group led by at least some semblance of data instead of crazy anti-intelectualism.

Overall though, I wish there was a political party that advocated strong consumer protections, increased regulations on buisnesses (especially banking and environmental), a strong social welfare system (its cheaper to provide people a safety net than deal with them when they go broke), and got the government out of people's personal lives.

Well the Democrats may not be for "strong consumer protections, increased regulations on buisnesses, a strong social welfare system , and got the government out of people's personal lives", but they are at least for some consumer protections, some regulation of business, mostly preserving our social welfare system and not digging deeper into people's personal lives. The Republicans are actively campaigning on gutting regulations, removing consumer protection and tried to shut down even the weak Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Ryan's budget would destroy Medicare while pretending to save it. And if you're female, what happens in your womb is none of your business.

While both parties are much farther to the right economically than I would like, there are clear differences. In tax policy, in stimulus in pretty much everything. Obama and much of the Democratic party are at least mild Keynsians, while the Republicans intend to double down on trickle-down economics while pushing austerity on the rest of us. At least one of Ryan's budget proposals would cut Romney's taxes to near 0, by not taxing capital gains, while, since he intends it to be revenue neutral raising taxes on the rest of us, probably by cutting common deductions. Obama has tried to repeal the Bush tax cuts on higher income levels and has managed to slip in several tax cuts aimed at the poor and middle.

It's popular to say there's no difference and there are areas where that's close to true, but it's not true overall.


Down with plutocracy!

Vive le Galt!

Voting is for ninnies!


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thejeff wrote:
Caineach wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Of course the fact the alternative to you "plutocrat stooge" is an actual plutocrat instead kind of cuts into the logic here.
Only if you're resigned to there being only two choices (or, actually, one choice, in my estimation -- because I personally don't see a hell of a lot of difference, if any, between Obama and Romney except maybe a pair of magic underwear or something). I've given up on the "lesser of two evils" approach.

On ecconomic policy, government power, and stooge of the big banks, I agree with you.

On civil rights, I prefer the group that is not trying to eliminate minority protections or reduce women's rights.

On a sanity level, I prefer the group led by at least some semblance of data instead of crazy anti-intelectualism.

Overall though, I wish there was a political party that advocated strong consumer protections, increased regulations on buisnesses (especially banking and environmental), a strong social welfare system (its cheaper to provide people a safety net than deal with them when they go broke), and got the government out of people's personal lives.

Well the Democrats may not be for "strong consumer protections, increased regulations on buisnesses, a strong social welfare system , and got the government out of people's personal lives", but they are at least for some consumer protections, some regulation of business, mostly preserving our social welfare system and not digging deeper into people's personal lives. The Republicans are actively campaigning on gutting regulations, removing consumer protection and tried to shut down even the weak Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Ryan's budget would destroy Medicare while pretending to save it. And if you're female, what happens in your womb is none of your business.

While both parties are much farther to the right economically than I would like, there are clear differences. In tax policy, in stimulus in pretty much everything. Obama and much...

Oh, I think the Dems are very much the lesser of the 2 evils. They are right of center economically and socially, as opposed to so far right your in crazy territory. I wish they weren't equally right to the Republicans on government power.

I plan on voting Green party in the presidential election. Up here in NY, its not like a vote for democrats will actually increase Obama's chances. And as one of the few third parties that may ever gain traction, I support them a lot more than Libertarians, who I think are half genious and half crazy. Even if I was voting for one of the 2 main candidates, I would vote for them on a 3rd party line, since state funding is given based off of number of votes to 3rd parties and some regulations are removed if they get enough.


Caineach wrote:

Oh, I think the Dems are very much the lesser of the 2 evils. They are right of center economically and socially, as opposed to so far right your in crazy territory. I wish they weren't equally right to the Republicans on government power.

I plan on voting Green party in the presidential election. Up here in NY, its not like a vote for democrats will actually increase Obama's chances. And as one of the few third parties that may ever gain traction, I support them a lot more than Libertarians, who I think are half genious and half crazy. Even if I was voting for one of the 2 main candidates, I would vote for them on a 3rd party line, since state funding is given based off of number of votes to 3rd parties and some regulations are removed if they get enough.

That's reasonable. I've voted Green in the past. It would be a much different decision in a swing state.

And I've voted pretty much everything on the Working Families party line these last years.


Zombieneighbours wrote:
GM Elton wrote:
Aretas wrote:
Hey has anyone seen this flick? What did you think of it?

I don't have to see it. I've pretty much studied the endgame and I've already made plans on where to be. In order to understand how the endgame is going to play out, I studied the ancient past.

So, I don't need Obama's 2016 to scare me. All I can do is make plans and get ready to be in the right place at the right time of where I need to be. 3 and one half years -- that's it. That's all I have to wait. And the first phase of the Endgame for America is over.

Then it really gets FUN!

You sound boarder line delusional, and over the event horizon of paranoid.

would you mind elaborating a little, to maybe easy my concerns for your well being and sanity?

I think it was a joke post. Maybe. Hopefully. if not, then...

A Man In Black wrote:
what

...this.

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Caineach wrote:
I plan on voting Green party in the presidential election. Up here in NY, its not like a vote for democrats will actually increase Obama's chances. And as one of the few third parties that may ever gain traction, I support them a lot more than Libertarians, who I think are half genious and half crazy. Even if I was voting for one of the 2 main candidates, I would vote for them on a 3rd party line, since state funding is given based off of number of votes to 3rd parties and some regulations are removed if they get enough.

Nassau County, if I recall correctly, has a progressive innovation called fusion voting. In which parties can front support for another party's candidate on their own ticket. The local Green Party put Obama up on it's ticket and votes for that ticket counted for Obama's electoral seats and gave the party credit for helping him get that area.

New Jersey is a fence state, so I can't play third party favoritism this time.

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thejeff wrote:
LazarX wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Is colonialism supposed to have been good now?

Only when the United States (or a sponsored ally/proxy) practises it. As we tried to do in Southeast Asia, the Phillipines, and Puerto Rico. Unfortunately, we've failed to do so in the resource rich areas we really wanted.

Anti-colonialism movements are seen by the right as Anti-West because they involve the bulk of our allies. The movie avoids the literal "birther" movement by substituting a more insidious variant, that Obama is actually some kind of alien "Non-American" who simply happens to have been born an American. Kind of his own Manchurian Candidate.

Or in other words: scary, foreign, ethnic, not like us. Or more simply: black.

I've never said that good old fashioned racial prejudice isn't part of the equation. In fact Romney is using playing his own version of the Willie Horton race card that Bush 1 used so successfully against Michael Dukakis. How well that card plays will say much about where we are today in this country.


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Caineach wrote:


Overall though, I wish there was a political party that advocated strong consumer protections, increased regulations on buisnesses (especially banking and environmental), a strong social welfare system (its cheaper to provide people a safety net than deal with them when they go broke), and got the government out of people's personal lives.

You and me both. I don't see it as very likely without a change to our voting systems to egg along real political comptition.


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LazarX wrote:
Caineach wrote:
I plan on voting Green party in the presidential election. Up here in NY, its not like a vote for democrats will actually increase Obama's chances. And as one of the few third parties that may ever gain traction, I support them a lot more than Libertarians, who I think are half genious and half crazy. Even if I was voting for one of the 2 main candidates, I would vote for them on a 3rd party line, since state funding is given based off of number of votes to 3rd parties and some regulations are removed if they get enough.

Nassau County, if I recall correctly, has a progressive innovation called fusion voting. In which parties can front support for another party's candidate on their own ticket. The local Green Party put Obama up on it's ticket and votes for that ticket counted for Obama's electoral seats and gave the party credit for helping him get that area.

New Jersey is a fence state, so I can't play third party favoritism this time.

Pretty sure this is true for all of NY. Last election Obama was on like 6 party lines.

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Caineach wrote:
Overall though, I wish there was a political party that advocated strong consumer protections, increased regulations on buisnesses (especially banking and environmental), a strong social welfare system (its cheaper to provide people a safety net than deal with them when they go broke), and got the government out of people's personal lives.

The Supreme Court put the final nail on the coffin of those hopes with the Citizens United decision removing all restraint on campaign donations as well as accountability for them. There by insuring an election mechanism where the election can NOT be won without plutocratic support.

One thing you forget. While it may be cheaper to keep people healthy with a social net, it's even cheaper to just let them die.


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LazarX wrote:
One thing you forget. While it may be cheaper to keep people healthy with a social net, it's even cheaper to just let them die.

The funny thing about that is its not. Increased incarceration rates from massively increased crime cost the system more than preventing people from having to resort to crime by a pretty large margin.

Though given the for proffit nature of today's prison system and free slave labor that allows it to outcompete traditional buisness, today's prison system may enjoy a boom in the incarceration rate.

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Zombieneighbours wrote:
GM Elton wrote:
Aretas wrote:
Hey has anyone seen this flick? What did you think of it?

I don't have to see it. I've pretty much studied the endgame and I've already made plans on where to be. In order to understand how the endgame is going to play out, I studied the ancient past.

So, I don't need Obama's 2016 to scare me. All I can do is make plans and get ready to be in the right place at the right time of where I need to be. 3 and one half years -- that's it. That's all I have to wait. And the first phase of the Endgame for America is over.

Then it really gets FUN!

You sound boarder line delusional, and over the event horizon of paranoid.

would you mind elaborating a little, to maybe easy my concerns for your well being and sanity?

Okay in order:

1. Hyperinflation of the dollar.

2. Fall of the American petroleum industry -- it will start in the south and work it's way north.

3. Fall of the American banking system and utter bottom out of the dollar. With the Eurobanks also in trouble, those in power will save the Eurobanks over the American banks. This happens because the number one motivation of Americans is money.

4. America will roughly suffer four quakes. One in the middle of the Country, one on the West Coast, and 2 in the Mountain States.

5. The Government mobilizes and then implants RFID chips in everyone. At first, it's voluntary, at second it's involuntary. If you resist, they tattoo your head or chop it off.

-- So, how can you slow this down? Really, I wondered what would happen if the General Public refuses to vote in the General Election for either party and voted for a third party. Any candidate, including the Communist candidate, would be voted for other than the Big Two. Vote 3rd party and don't vote for either the Republican or the Democratic Candidate. Give both parties the bird.


Caineach wrote:
LazarX wrote:
One thing you forget. While it may be cheaper to keep people healthy with a social net, it's even cheaper to just let them die.

The funny thing about that is its not. Increased incarceration rates from massively increased crime cost the system more than preventing people from having to resort to crime by a pretty large margin.

Though given the for proffit nature of today's prison system and free slave labor that allows it to outcompete traditional buisness, today's prison system may enjoy a boom in the incarceration rate.

It's good for the prison industry (and thus campaign contributions), but still bad for the budget. But people always seem more willing to spend on punishing bad people than helping those who don't make it on their own.

(The bias in that phrasing is intentional.)


GM Elton wrote:
Zombieneighbours wrote:
GM Elton wrote:
Aretas wrote:
Hey has anyone seen this flick? What did you think of it?

I don't have to see it. I've pretty much studied the endgame and I've already made plans on where to be. In order to understand how the endgame is going to play out, I studied the ancient past.

So, I don't need Obama's 2016 to scare me. All I can do is make plans and get ready to be in the right place at the right time of where I need to be. 3 and one half years -- that's it. That's all I have to wait. And the first phase of the Endgame for America is over.

Then it really gets FUN!

You sound boarder line delusional, and over the event horizon of paranoid.

would you mind elaborating a little, to maybe easy my concerns for your well being and sanity?

Okay in order:

1. Hyperinflation of the dollar.

2. Fall of the American petroleum industry -- it will start in the south and work it's way north.

3. Fall of the American banking system and utter bottom out of the dollar. With the Eurobanks also in trouble, those in power will save the Eurobanks over the American banks. This happens because the number one motivation of Americans is money.

4. America will roughly suffer four quakes. One in the middle of the Country, one on the West Coast, and 2 in the Mountain States.

5. The Government mobilizes and then implants RFID chips in everyone. At first, it's voluntary, at second it's involuntary. If you resist, they tattoo your head or chop it off.

-- So, how can you slow this down? Really, I wondered what would happen if the General Public refuses to vote in the General Election for either party and voted for a third party. Any candidate, including the Communist candidate, would be voted for other than the Big Two. Vote 3rd party and don't vote for either the Republican or the Democratic Candidate. Give both parties the bird.

I was all set to start arguing the possible hyperinflation and oil scenarios and then I got to the quake predictions and the mark of cain nonsense and released there was no point.

Just out of curiosity, what's the source for this particular variation?
I like to keep up.

And how is voting for a third party supposed to stop earthquakes?


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GM Elton wrote:
Zombieneighbours wrote:
GM Elton wrote:
Aretas wrote:
Hey has anyone seen this flick? What did you think of it?

I don't have to see it. I've pretty much studied the endgame and I've already made plans on where to be. In order to understand how the endgame is going to play out, I studied the ancient past.

So, I don't need Obama's 2016 to scare me. All I can do is make plans and get ready to be in the right place at the right time of where I need to be. 3 and one half years -- that's it. That's all I have to wait. And the first phase of the Endgame for America is over.

Then it really gets FUN!

You sound boarder line delusional, and over the event horizon of paranoid.

would you mind elaborating a little, to maybe easy my concerns for your well being and sanity?

Okay in order:

1. Hyperinflation of the dollar.

2. Fall of the American petroleum industry -- it will start in the south and work it's way north.

3. Fall of the American banking system and utter bottom out of the dollar. With the Eurobanks also in trouble, those in power will save the Eurobanks over the American banks. This happens because the number one motivation of Americans is money.

4. America will roughly suffer four quakes. One in the middle of the Country, one on the West Coast, and 2 in the Mountain States.

5. The Government mobilizes and then implants RFID chips in everyone. At first, it's voluntary, at second it's involuntary. If you resist, they tattoo your head or chop it off.

-- So, how can you slow this down? Really, I wondered what would happen if the General Public refuses to vote in the General Election for either party and voted for a third party. Any candidate, including the Communist candidate, would be voted for other than the Big Two. Vote 3rd party and don't vote for either the Republican or the Democratic Candidate. Give both parties the bird.

HERE


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thejeff wrote:
And how is voting for a third party supposed to stop earthquakes?

Don't you know? HAARP works by converting sheeple votes into earthquake rays!!!


Great the nutjobs are anti-establishment types now, too.
Sorry, Anklebiter :(

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LazarX wrote:
The Supreme Court put the final nail on the coffin of those hopes with the Citizens United decision removing all restraint on campaign donations as well as accountability for them. There by insuring an election mechanism where the election can NOT be won without plutocratic support.

Restraint yes, accountability, no. The stated reasoning of the majority Citizens United decision was that this was a problem to be solved with disclosure laws, not blanket bans. We just don't have those disclosure laws yet, since the blanket bans were supposed to be dealing with the problem. The DISCLOSE Act, intended to close that gap, is...well, being stalled by House Republicans.

But there's no difference between the two parties, amirite?

GM Elton wrote:

Okay in order:

crazy list

-- So, how can you slow this down?

By getting Superman's help! Because it's about as likely as all the crazy nonsense in your list of predictions.


GM Elton wrote:

Okay in order:

1. Hyperinflation of the dollar.

2. Fall of the American petroleum industry -- it will start in the south and work it's way north.

3. Fall of the American banking system and utter bottom out of the dollar. With the Eurobanks also in trouble, those in power will save the Eurobanks over the American banks. This happens because the number one motivation of Americans is money.

4. America will roughly suffer four quakes. One in the middle of the Country, one on the West Coast, and 2 in the Mountain States.

5. The Government mobilizes and then implants RFID chips in everyone. At first, it's voluntary, at second it's involuntary. If you resist, they tattoo your head or chop it off.

-- So, how can you slow this down? Really, I wondered what would happen if the General Public refuses to vote in the General Election for either party and voted for a third party. Any candidate, including the Communist candidate, would be voted for other than the Big Two. Vote 3rd party and don't vote for either the Republican or the Democratic Candidate. Give both parties the bird.

I don't know what you guys are talking about, this all sounds entirely plausible to me.

I just want to know how you learned anything about those five topics from the ancients, though.


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A Man In Black wrote:
LazarX wrote:
The Supreme Court put the final nail on the coffin of those hopes with the Citizens United decision removing all restraint on campaign donations as well as accountability for them. There by insuring an election mechanism where the election can NOT be won without plutocratic support.

Restraint yes, accountability, no. The stated reasoning of the majority Citizens United decision was that this was a problem to be solved with disclosure laws, not blanket bans. We just don't have those disclosure laws yet, since the blanket bans were supposed to be dealing with the problem. The DISCLOSE Act, intended to close that gap, is...well, being stalled by House Republicans.

But there's no difference between the two parties, amirite?

How about their new Party Platform that wants to remove all still existing limits on campaign contributions.

2012 Rep. Platform wrote:
The rights of citizenship do not stop at the ballot box. They include the free speech right to devote one’s resources to whatever cause or candidate one supports. We oppose any restrictions or conditions that would discourage Americans from exercising their constitutional right to enter the political fray or limit their commitment to their ideals. As a result, we support repeal of the remaining sections of McCain- Feingold, support either raising or repealing contribution limits, and oppose passage of the DISCLOSE Act or any similar legislation designed to vitiate the Supreme Court’s recent decisions protecting political speech in Wisconsin Right to Life v. Federal Election Commission and Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission.


Vive le Galt!

Comrade Hawkshaw, if you're out there, strike! strike!, strike!

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Caineach wrote:
LazarX wrote:
One thing you forget. While it may be cheaper to keep people healthy with a social net, it's even cheaper to just let them die.
The funny thing about that is its not. Increased incarceration rates from massively increased crime cost the system more than preventing people from having to resort to crime by a pretty large margin.

True but those costs get passed on to other people. A good deal of economic strategy is to play musical chairs and make sure you're the one sitting down when time is called.

Caineach wrote:


Though given the for proffit nature of today's prison system and free slave labor that allows it to outcompete traditional buisness, today's prison system may enjoy a boom in the incarceration rate.

Guess what's one of the up and coming industries in this country today? The United States jails it's people on a rate that's comparable to Soviet Russia, and apartheid South Africa.

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LazarX wrote:
True but those costs [of prisons and social programs] get passed on to other people. A good deal of economic strategy is to play musical chairs and make sure you're the one sitting down when time is called.

Except that both of them cost the same people: government coffers. There are additional costs to prisons, including lost financial opportunities, social costs, and moral costs, but even when you narrow it down to "Which of these has a larger bill for the government?" it's still prisons.


A Man In Black wrote:
There are additional costs to prisons, including lost financial opportunities, social costs, and moral costs, but even when you narrow it down to "Which of these has a larger bill for the government?" it's still prisons.

Sadly, what drives the decision is not "what costs the most," but rather "what makes the most money for the corporation whose lobbyists are paying to put me in office?" And the answer is "expanding for-profit prisons."

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I think a great editoral cartoon would be one of Obama's daughters making a house or something like that with Lincon Logs. She says "Daddy, look what I did". Obama walks over, looks at it, looks at His daughter and says "you did'nt build that."

Something like this

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It'd be funny if people didn't think it were true.

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wicked cool wrote:
We know so little about his past.

What don't we know? What year is missing?

Quote:
He took forever to release the birth certificate and even then it still left doubts with some.

So because lots of people are being moronic that makes it justified?

Quote:
Hes supposed to be brilliant and yet we have yet to see any of his grades (why the secrecy)

He graduated from harvard law school summa cum laude which is what.. a 3.9+ GPA ?

Quote:
he stumbles without a telepromptor

Record yourself talking sometime. See how much worse it is than whatever holywood image you have of someone making a perfect off the cuff speech.

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and he seems to rely heavily on czars to make decisions.

Damn you for listening to the opinions of the experts you hired!

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What was his relationship with Ayers/Wright and does he still have one with them.

Oh no. They committed property damage in the 60's because they had the crazy idea that the government was pointlessly sending thousands of americans to their deaths in a system that was rigged against the poor.

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If he was on the other side of the aisle the secrets would have been exposed by now.

Do you honestly think that if there was anything worth finding Hillary Clinton wouldn't have found it?

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Haven't we seen past presidents grades and even millitary records.

Some of bush's were missing.

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Whats is his vision for the county for the next 4 years.

Pretty much the same thing that its been doing for the last 20. Ideally closing the loopholes that let romney pay half the % in taxes that wage earners do.

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He goes out every day and attacks the other guy which is fine as its a virtual tie right now but what are his plans/promises for the future.

Romney can't win. Romney would have to run the table completely on all of the swing states to win. this is about getting voter turn out for the congressional election.


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4. America will roughly suffer four quakes. One in the middle of the Country, one on the West Coast, and 2 in the Mountain States.

I just want to know how you can predict earthquakes, and why are you hoarding this knowledge? I'd think you'd at least be able to become a billionaire by selling information as a safety service for numerous countries.

Also, a musical interlude.

RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

In case anyone actually cared about the movie from the OP, here's a review that summed up my thoughts pretty well.


We know so little about his past.
What don't we know? What year is missing?

How about most of his early life. highschool, college? Heck i dont even know what chicago sports teams he likes as he cant keep his stories straight

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He took forever to release the birth certificate and even then it still left doubts with some.
So because lots of people are being moronic that makes it justified?

Yes it does. It goes back to point #1.

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Hes supposed to be brilliant and yet we have yet to see any of his grades (why the secrecy)
He graduated from harvard law school summa cum laude which is what.. a 3.9+ GPA ?

Still odd we didnt see it. GW graduated from college and hes portrayed as dumb. It sort of goes to the point below it. He seeems lost without a teleprompter. He was this great speaker in college but now hes lost his fastball without technology

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he stumbles without a telepromptor
Record yourself talking sometime. See how much worse it is than whatever holywood image you have of someone making a perfect off the cuff speech.

Dont people do this all the time? Dont great leaders, coaches in history prove it to be so. Once more excuses

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and he seems to rely heavily on czars to make decisions.
Damn you for listening to the opinions of the experts you hired!

And yet it hasnt gotten better. Ohh right blame the other guy.

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What was his relationship with Ayers/Wright and does he still have one with them.
Oh no. They committed property damage in the 60's because they had the crazy idea that the government was pointlessly sending thousands of americans to their deaths in a system that was rigged against the poor.

Property damage? More like terrorism. Once again it goes back to what little we know about the president. What did he think of Wright/Ayers. Did he shake his head when Wright went on rants at church.

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If he was on the other side of the aisle the secrets would have been exposed by now.
Do you honestly think that if there was anything worth finding Hillary Clinton wouldn't have found it?

Well she did and people didnt listen and at the time thought he was the better choice based on hope and change. Do you honestly believe that if the country could go back and rechoose that she wouldnt be the president right now. I bet if there was a democratic pol most would choose her. Didnt the media even ask the president if maybe he should choose her as his VP and dump Biden.

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Haven't we seen past presidents grades and even millitary records.
Some of bush's were missing.

Some. I havent seen 1 of this guys. If i had this great GPA i wouldnt hide it. If i was so smart and charismatic i would inspire this county. I would lead and not hide behind others. I wouldnt blame the past. I wouldnt campaign at colleges. I would campaign at the headquarters of the top companies in this county. i would "demand" that X number of jobs would be created or they would lose tax incentives or something that would at least make the country blink.

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Whats is his vision for the county for the next 4 years.
Pretty much the same thing that its been doing for the last 20. Ideally closing the loopholes that let romney pay half the % in taxes that wage earners do.

He talks about higher taxes for those making over $250. He talks about more regulations. He doesnt talk about more loopholes. I dont remember the last 20 the same as you do. I dont remember unemployment over 8% for this long, national debt this high, a world economy collapsing and so much uncertainty. When he closes those loopholes who do you think these banks and 1%'s pass the costs onto? Food, gas, electricity, miniatures, etc are all at high prices. Nothing has gone down under this great man that has done no wrong and its the congress's fault?

I see things getting worse

1. Healthcare costs going up. I have a great healthcare plan and i pay a lot more than i did 4 years ago. I see less medical advances coming out of this country and more of us paying cash for necessary procedures.

2. I dont see unemployment getting lower. If he wins taxes go up. Whats the incentive for companies to stay here. More pople get layed off and the debt increases. Ohh right more green jobs and shovel ready jobs. Lets not forget railroads and high speed trains.

3. Education costs go up. He pours a ton of money into the education system and more pople qualify for student loans. Who pays for those grants? The college absorbs part of those costs and therefore tuition goes up. K-12 education also gets money so everyones property taxes go up to pay for the teachers salaries. even though they can barely afford their mortgages

4. We borrow more from China. This should have been on the list of how America will fall. China comes in and more buys more and more factories/land.

5.We print more money to pay for everything so inflation skyrockets. If you or your parents are over the age of 60 ask them waht inflation was like.

5. Foreign Drug lords running rampant in the streets of out county. I dont remember this 20 years ago? I dont remember "Whooping cough" and other deseases that were wiped out in this county now a major health problem. Triple E is now a major problem in this country and i'm afraid to go out after sundown and i live near a major city.

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He goes out every day and attacks the other guy which is fine as its a virtual tie right now but what are his plans/promises for the future.
Romney can't win. Romney would have to run the table completely on all of the swing states to win. this is about getting voter turn out for the congressional election

You say he cant win but polls show its a tie. Didnt they say the same thing about Reagan? They said Reagan was too old and just an actor. Lets wait until the actual debates. Weeks before the election Carter was beating Reagan by a wide margin. After 1 debate (Carter only allowed 1) the tide changed and it became too close to call and Reagan won by a landslide.

I hear a lot of people who vote democrat say i wish there was a 3rd choice. If these same people vote 3rd party then Romneys chances grow.


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We know so little about his past.

What don't we know? What year is missing?

How about most of his early life. highschool, college? Heck i dont even know what chicago sports teams he likes as he cant keep his stories straight

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He took forever to release the birth certificate and even then it still left doubts with some.
So because lots of people are being moronic that makes it justified?

Yes it does. It goes back to point #1.

So just to set the record straight: Do you believe the president is a natural born American citizen?

No obfuscations about how some people still have doubts or about how he took too long to produce yet another piece of evidence that wasn't necessary and didn't convince anyone anyway. Just a simple yes or no answer.


thejeff wrote:


So just to set the record straight: Do you believe the president is a natural born stooge of the plutocracy?

Yes. Yes, I do.


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thejeff wrote:


So just to set the record straight: Do you believe the president is a natural born stooge of the plutocracy?
Yes. Yes, I do.

M'lord Dice says that if it weren't for plutocrats, we never would have had any Presidents to begin with. He also pointed out that things went south when we opened the vote to non-landowners, because they aren't really invested in the state of the country. Then I said I thought that allowing any vote at all was the problem. M'lord Dice said, "You're learning, Dicey, you're learning."


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I really do not get this importance placed on Obama's grades. College grades have no correlation with success, are a terrible measure of intelligence, and completely ignored by every hiring manager looking for someone after their first job out of college. They are completely irrelevant to everything in your life.


Yes i do.Would i be shocked if somewhere down the line some of the movies ideas were true. No i wont be.

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