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Note - this question is specifically about a ruling for PFS play not general rules discussion. Thanks!
So for gunslingers, bullets/powder cost/availability rules are pretty simple. UE even went so far as to not list silver/adamantium bullets anymore since the costs of those come from the special materials section for ammunition costs, etc.
However, alchemical cartridges are a little different:
Alchemical Cartridges: An alchemical cartridge is a prepared bundle of black powder with a bullet or pellets, sometimes with more exotic material added, which is then wrapped in paper or cloth and sealed with beeswax, lard, or tallow. There are many types of alchemical cartridges, the simplest being the paper cartridge—a simple mix of black powder and either pellets or a bullet.
Now, in PFS characters cannot craft their own ammunition but can still obtain it, so...
The question - Is it possible to have the "bullet" that's wrapped up in a cartridge be of a special material, such as cold iron, silver, adamantium, etc?
In a home game this would just be up to the DM or would be a craft check, but it's not clear how that might go in PFS.
(My assumption is that the answer is no, but given how gunslingers I've seen and the one I play rely so much on the cartridges to be effective in combat, and having experienced a situation where having cold iron cartridges might have saved another character's life...I felt the only responsible thing to do as a player is to check up on it.)
Thanks in advance!
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Do the rules support making paper cartridges with different bullets in them?
As I see it the "exotic material added" line seems to me to mean things like flash powder or whatever other special paper cartridges are offered.
There is no price for a paper cartridge containing an admantine bullet. Or is there?
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RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32
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The Core Rules give cost adjustments for special material ammunition (such as +60gp per missile for adamantine), with no restrictions on what type of ammunition it is (arrows versus bolts versus sling stones versus whatever). Unless firearm rules specifically say otherwise, the Core Rules for ammunition materials and pricing would apply.
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Let's start off with the fact just because the price of special material firearm bullets was left out of UE, does not mean that the price used in UC is no longer valid. Also this is definitely a PFS question because he is asking how to do something in PFS for something that has no rule for but a Home GM could easily rule on.
So the price for special material Bullets in UC do not seem to always match the normal prices for what a special material bullet would normally follow.
As an example..
In UC a Silver Bullet costs you 25gp, but by the standards set by alchemical silver ammunition is should only cost you 3 gp, that is a significant difference. On the other hand adamantine bullets do follow the correct pricing.
I suspect the Silver Bullet pricing is an error, but I cannot do anything about that until an errata of the UC comes out.
So on your question...
Yeah I don't have an answer for Special material Bullets in PFS games I have just been buying single bullets as needed as one shot loads.
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(My assumption is that the answer is no, but given how gunslingers I've seen and the one I play rely so much on the cartridges to be effective in combat, and having experienced a situation where having cold iron cartridges might have saved another character's life...I felt the only responsible thing to do as a player is to check up on it.)
I don't blame the lack of cold iron cartridges for my temporary demise; I blame those idiot dwarves. ;-)
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Do the rules support making paper cartridges with different bullets in them?
As I see it the "exotic material added" line seems to me to mean things like flash powder or whatever other special paper cartridges are offered.
There is no price for a paper cartridge containing an admantine bullet. Or is there?
There is nothing for anything with a paper cartridge other than "contains an alchemical mix of black powder and either a bullet or pellets", but since there is pricing for bullets of different types, the question is whether or not that sort of thing can even be done for PFS play.
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Also this is definitely a PFS question because he is asking how to do something in PFS for something that has no rule for but a Home GM could easily rule on.Right, those two together say that they could solve this with a FAQ or errata to UE to add the special material firearm ammo. Then it stops being a PFS question...
The question is about non-"normal" bullets in alchemical cartridges, something that could be home-ruled on, but has wording juuust ambiguous enough to merit asking if it can be done in PFS. Even if Mike or Mark were to pop on here and say "not in PFS sorry" that'd be enough for me.
Even though Xan up there still blames the dwarves for getting killed at Gen Con, I'm the kind of player who doesn't want a failing on my part to get someone else's character killed.
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I think the most fair option is to have the alchemical cartridge cost 11GP + the cost of the bullet on its own. That follows the way a regular paper cartridge costs 11 GP more than a regular bullet (with 10GP of that being powder and, assumedly, 1GP for paper). I would also say that you only get to pay the 50% price since you can't make the cartridge yourself and have to buy it.
So an adamantine paper cartridge would cost you 61+11/2=36GP each and cold iron/silver would be 25+11/2=18GP each.
But I realize that you wanted an official answer which I of course can't give.
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From the Sticky thread:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4na?Compilation-of-message-board-clarificatio ns
This is the specific post:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ov4x?A-couple-gunslinger-ammo-questions#33
