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Nice! So even if official word is you're wrong, you're not wrong!
Classy.
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No need to FAQ this. The entangle effect would occur in the square of the potted plant. Noting more.
And even then an entangled character would not be anchored to the ground.
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Insult the designers by saying their ruling won't make sense. Also classy.
No need to FAQ this. The entangle effect would occur in the square of the potted plant. Noting more.
And even then an entangled character would not be anchored to the ground.
That was explained in this thread. He doesn't believe it.
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Yar.
Let's have some context and show the actual question.
The spell Entangle has an Area entry of: "plants in a 40' radius" and then goes on to say "This spell causes tall grass, weeds, and other plants to wrap around creatures in the area of effect or those that enter the area."
Does this mean:
1) This spell will only effect plants that exist in that 40' radius, and those plants can only entangle what is in or near them. Thus if only one plant is in the 40' radius, then only a creature over or beside that plant will potentially be entangled.
2) This spell causes any plants in the area to expand to cover all of the 40' radius, allowing a single potted plant to entangle everything in a 40' radius.
~P
Yar.
And to clarify, I say that it is 1. The way I read the spell and all of the rules tells me the answer is 1. It is clear from the explosion of posts in a different thread that ImperatorK believes it should be 2.
~P
Just so.
Everyone who has read the rules save ImperatorK has interpreted them to mean that the entangle effect only occurs where there are plants in the area effect of the spell when it is cast. The spell does not state that new plants are created, or that existing plants spread out and grow to cover the area. The area of effect merely states that plants within the 40' radius are effected. The entangle itself is actually a secondary effect, the spell is on the plants not the people entangled.
The idea that you can throw a small, hand-held pot-plant at a roomful of foes in a dungeon with no other vegetation present and that this will fill a 40' radius with entangling foliage is pretty far out there. It's not creative, it's not imaginative, it's quite the opposite.
Edit: That does beg the question that if new plants enter the area (unlikely as mundane plants are not very mobile, but just the same) do they then become entangling?
In response with Pirate, the answer is number 1. I'm glad to hear common sense and rules savvy has supported this elsewhere.
Edit: That does beg the question that if new plants enter the area (unlikely as mundane plants are not very mobile, but just the same) do they then become entangling?
So long as the duration has not expired, plants entering the effected area would being entangling foes as well.
So cast entangle and THEN throw LOTS of potted plants in there. Genius!
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Stifle that creativity! Stifle it until there's only MMO players left!
To quote myself:
There is a difference between being creative and bending/breaking the rules
Tricking an enemy into reading a trapped piece of paper with Explosive Rune is creative. Using stone shape to create a back door into the enemy castle is creative. Using Magic Jar on the BBEG's most trusted Lieutenant and them using him to coup de' grace BBEG in his sleep is creative. Casting Trap the Soul on a sealed envelope, and then delivering it to the enemy king saying that it is an important missive from the battlefield while you have a readied action to teleport away as soon as the king's soul is trapped is creative.
Throwing potted plants and then trying to get a spell to do something it doesn't do is bending/breaking the rules.
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So cast entangle and THEN throw LOTS of potted plants in there. Genius!
I'd use a catapult. Maybe an air drop! Now that is being creative.
Dude! Coup-de-grace with potted plants! GEENYUS!
Edit: That does beg the question that if new plants enter the area (unlikely as mundane plants are not very mobile, but just the same) do they then become entangling?
Like if Shambling Mounds entered into the spell effect? Would they get entangle attacks along with their normal ones?
As to the original question?
No. Your potted plant is worth garbage with the spell. MAYBE if a GM was generous/stupid he would allow the plant to root in the square it fell in and affect that 5 foot square.
A lot of Druidic spells are situational. Part of the balance IMO since they get some very powerful magic along with their shape changing and animal companion.
Stifle that creativity! Stifle it until there's only MMO players left!
The idea is hardly creative. (Link)
Players should be encouraged to be creative, but this is an example of twisting the game's rules to justify an entirely baseless interpretation of a spell effect. It's a big difference.
Yar.
Stifle that creativity! Stifle it until there's only MMO players left!
It's not stiffing creativity, it's working within the rules. Welcome to the Rules forum. Seeing what you can accoplish within the rules can be called creativity if done creatively, but trying to ignore or go against the rules to create an effect that is beyond the rules or even blatently against the rules, while perhaps done in a creative way, is still breaking the rules of the game (some may even call it "cheating"). If that is the goal, then why even play the game?
Also, I find the implication that working within the rules of the game to play the game to be "stifling creativity" and the realm of "MMO players" to be rather insulting. Please stop. Thank you.
However, if you feel that this is ambiguous, please FAQ my post above, and hopefully we'll get official clarification.
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Or throw seeds and cast plant growth - much more portable.
ImperatorK, there is a fine line between genius and madness. There is likewise a fine line between a crazy idea that might work and silly idea that never will. The wisdom of ages is telling the difference between the two - and I will freely admit that I get it wrong sometimes, but not this time I think.
Ouch. One Piece?
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"Help help! I'm being oppressed! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!"
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Ouch. One Piece?
Indeed. I find anime is the source of many players' attempts to bend/break the rules.
A potted daisy shouldn't work, but a big pot of vines should entangle at least one square.
Dude! Coup-de-grace with potted plants! GEENYUS!
Entangle + Wall of Thorns
Dude! Coup-de-grace with potted plants! GEENYUS!Entangle + Wall of Thorns
Not genius, GREENius!
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Not genius, GREENius!Dude! Coup-de-grace with potted plants! GEENYUS!Entangle + Wall of Thorns
I can further increase the greenius of this.
Step 1: Cast Wall of Thorns
Step 2: Cast Explosive Entangle
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!
So from what I am reading, this means that ImperatorK agrees that Summon Monster spells can be used to summon monsters (magical ones that would want out) inside the bad guys stomach to claw their way out since the spell says area is one summoneded creature and appears where you designate and acts immediately.
@Robbgobb - HAHA that's great, yeah that's exactly what it sounds like he wants.
I agree with the others that it couldn't be used to affect a 40ft radius, if I were GM'ing it the druid would be lucky to get a 5 foot radius (only in the square where the plant landed) out of me.
Trying to get more than that out of the spell is simply asinine.
OMG
Can you use summon monster to summon Azatas?
Chest Burster!!!
Design Manager
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Is there a reason Imperator likes to jump over to his Creative Munchkin alias mid-thread? Does he think he's fooling someone into thinking there's another person out there who agrees with him?What? I'm not allowed to use aliases? O.o Is there a law against it? What are they for, then? You might disagree with me, but don't insult me.
It's mind-boggling that you should insult every other poster on the thread and then claim offense at a perceived insult on your part.
@ Azten
I love the exploding entangling wall of thorns. That's creativity :)
And pure Greenius.
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There are several clues that point to ImperatorK's conclusion being wrong.
1. the lack of the conjuration school in the spell, so it does not summon new plants into the space
2. the fact that a spell that makes plants grow is a 3rd level druid spell and entangle is a 1st level spell, it makes no sense for a 1st level spell to have a greater effect above a 3rd level spell
3. the target of plants, not an area, means that it affects the actual plants in the space, unlike say a fireball which targets an area
So it's pretty plain that a single potted plant in the space would become entangling. Now, looking at the entangle condition... entangled impedes movement but does not prevent it unless the bonds are anchored to an immobile object. So the effect of an entangle cast at an area with a single potted plant would create a single 5-foot square that grabs an enemy but can get dragged along without trouble.
