When Communist U.S.S.R. was a superpower, the world was better off.
Janeane Garofalo
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Hmm. I don't think that's crazy at all.
EDIT: Of course, I'm not a liberal.
This is dumb. Can we go back to talking about Megadeth?
Because of the goal here is to make sure all celebrities having boring political opinions that never rock the boat, well, that's pretty lame in general. Guess what? Not everyone agrees with you, and some of them are douches.
As I said in my original post in this thread: Not News.
As I said in my original post in this thread: Rock stars are supposed to say stupid stuff. That's what they're paid for.
Yes, I am aware that Tom Morello is a guitarist.
He's actually been performing for the last couple years as The Night Watchman where he does sing. Badly, imho.
Of course, I never really cared for Rage, either.
They got their friend Brian Eno to produce their first album, the same year he collaborated with Bowie on his Berlin albums (Low, Heroes).
Hee hee!
Speaking of crazy, those were the years that Bowie was flirting with fascism.
"Cocaine is a hell of a drug."
By and large american hardcore punk bored the snot out of me.
I like the artsier fringe of the punk/new-wave movement. Wire. PiL. Suicide. Post-punk.
Yeah, I know (and enjoy) DJ; have you heard Can?
Can is the f&&&ing shiznit, son!
And, yeah, Krautrock is the preferred nomenclature for German hippies who were even crazier than English-speaking hippies. See The Baader-Meinhof Complex for the reasons why.
And finally, I've had a raging hard-on for Janeane Garofalo ever since The Truth About Cats and Dogs.
She's a crazy liberal? Personally, I think of any you fools who keep voting for stooges of the plutocracy are batshiznit crazy.
I am going to take this opportunity to repost my favorite D&D-themed metal video.
I don't mind musicians having outspoken political views, that would be incredibly hypocritical of me, considering how political my favourite band is (and I also agree with Tom Morello).
My point was more to point out that Mustaine has crossed a line from just being political into batsh!t crazy territory.
And spreading misinformation like that can be harmful and is detrimental to any reasonable discourse, just like it would be if spread by any other "media" personality.
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This is dumb. Can we go back to talking about Megadeth?
Because of the goal here is to make sure all celebrities having boring political opinions that never rock the boat, well, that's pretty lame in general. Guess what? Not everyone agrees with you, and some of them are douches.
As I said in my original post in this thread: Not News.
I do agree with the poster who said that the last couple of Megadeth albums have backslid lyrically, even if the music is getting better. I'd actually chart the lowpoint at United Abominations, though. Some of the political songs on there are just horse-poop.
I especially like the line about how "the enemy" (i.e. "liberals") are spreading "sex and violence in the kindergartens."
Um, what?
Can we please get back to singing songs about doing deals with the devil again?
OBEY!
Oh yeah. The Conjuring. Probably one of my top 5 Megadeth songs.
As far a DM being a fruitcake, as Mona says, he pretty much burned out most of his brain cells before Hetfield and Ulrich put him on that bus. Heck, he even voted for Obama the first time, and now he is making insane conspiracy theories about him.
He has every right to his opinion, just as we are free to ridicule him for it. In fact, the crazier crap he says; the easier it is to do so...
http://www.gayteenforum.net/showthread.php?5951-crazy-liberal-quotes
If you do not see some serious mustaine level crazy in this YOU are the nut.
HAHA! Someone once said that Liberalism is a mental disorder.
I'm kind of waiting for a point in what you just wrote here...Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine seems to have gone full psycho conspiracy nuts, claiming that Obama is behind the recent shootings in the U.S., in order to pass a ban on guns.
I know lots of people are Megadeth fans around here. I've just lost all respect for the man, though. The anti-LGBT comments he has made before, born of his born-again Christianity, were bad enough, but this is just utterly insane."Whaddya mean I hurt your feelings....I didn't know you had any feelings"
I imagine this is what Dave Mustaine would say in response to this thread. Then slap dissenters with similiar album lyric one liners.
Its a line from Peace sells, listen to it below.
Butt HurtBy the way, Rage Against The Machine's politics are way more radical than Mustaines. GREAT sound but radical, incitefull and treasonous politics.
ATTENTION, POLITROLLS!!!!
If you would like to avoid a meeting with Razor Jenny, post a musical link--it doesn't have to be metal--before posting yet another political argument.
Failure to accede to this instruction will result in you standing roughly a foot shorter than you did before.
Vive le Galt!
I notice that Citizen Aretas has already posted a Megadeth link, so the ball is in your court, Comrade Jeff.
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What did it mean when the American punks said "With just a touch of my burning hand, I send my astro zombies to rape the land, prime directive: exterminate the whole human race"?
While I'm sure he has political viewpoints, I'm fairly certain Danzig's main concern was and is: rockin'.
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While I'm sure he has political viewpoints, I'm fairly certain Danzig's main concern was and is: rockin'.
That, and serving his dark lord.
I couldn't find any Megadeth so this will have to do....
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By the way, Rage Against The Machine's politics are way more radical than Mustaines. GREAT sound but radical, incitefull and treasonous politics.Treasonous? I'm pretty sure they'd be flattered.
Just remember, this machine kills fascists.
Pete Seger was a fascist communist traitor pushing a radically culturally Marxist agenda.
{glances down at a dozen cards, stamps several} C'mon, c'mon... I just need a "Che Guevara", "Hollywood Ten", or "Joseph Welch" to get an Internet Bingo... {fluffs blue hair, takes a drag on a Pall Mall}
Pete Seger was a fascist communist traitor pushing a radically culturally Marxist agenda.By the way, Rage Against The Machine's politics are way more radical than Mustaines. GREAT sound but radical, incitefull and treasonous politics.Treasonous? I'm pretty sure they'd be flattered.
Just remember, this machine kills fascists.
An American folk artist whose music will always be American.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1T8xgHdMEM
And this, too. Don't follow, lead.
HAHA! Someone once said that Liberalism is a mental disorder.http://www.gayteenforum.net/showthread.php?5951-crazy-liberal-quotes
If you do not see some serious mustaine level crazy in this YOU are the nut.
And someone once said Conservatism was.
It's a stupid pissing match to get into.
And nothing on the first page of that list is from within the decade. Was any of even from this century? Some of it was much older: LBJ?
Do you really want to dig back into conservative quotes on race/gender/homosexuality from the 60s and 70s?
Not that you really have to. You could pull just as much crazy out of this presidential campaign. Particularly the primaries.
And it still wouldn't mean anything. There are a lot of people with stupid crazy ideas and others who sometimes let there mouths run away with them. We've now established that some of them are liberal. I don't think I need to present evidence that some of them are conservative.
If you want to argue about which is crazier or crazy more often, you'd need to collect data and do some statistical analysis on it. Presenting random quotes without context, however amusing they might be, doesn't prove anything.
In a nutshell, yes there is crazy from every color of the spectrum and ideology. We can compare notes and I'm sure its a neck and neck race.
Also, I'm sure you will find as many if not more inflammatory quotes coming from Dem's back in the 60's and 70's.
This is why you don't tell musicians to shut up and sing.
Yes, I am aware that Tom Morello is a guitarist.
Whats up my Man!?
Its a free country so he should be able to say all he wants. The irony is that he supports commie tyrants who would shove that freedom down his throat along with a bayonet.
When I was in my earlier days I listened to Rage all the time. I even saw them in concert & saw all the commie anti American fashion on parade. Then I started REALLY listening to the lyrics. I found them to be anti white, anti capitalist & anti American. They indoctrinated an entire generation full of bull.
P.S. Paul Ryan is a righteous dude.
Its a free country so he should be able to say all he wants. The irony is that he supports commie tyrants who would shove that freedom down his throat along with a bayonet.
"Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. Sorry, Ted, that's a dumb question... skip that. "
-Rex KramerCommie tyrants using bayonets? What is this, the 1950's?
P.S. Paul Ryan is a righteous dude.
If by righteous, you mean tool of the big banks, insurance and other lobbyists types. But don't feel bad, they all have their hands in the cookie jar.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00004357&cycle= 2012
What did it mean when the American punks said "With just a touch of my burning hand, I send my astro zombies to rape the land, prime directive: exterminate the whole human race"?While I'm sure he has political viewpoints, I'm fairly certain Danzig's main concern was and is: rockin'.
And finally, I've had a raging hard-on for Janeane Garofalo ever since Wet Hot American Summer.
She's a crazy liberal? Personally, I think of any you fools who keep voting for stooges of the plutocracy are batshiznit crazy.
Fixed it for you. Seriously, if youve never seen this movie, watch it now. I'll wait.
They're not co-ordinated; they're just all taking advantage of how people with any amount of Confederate cultural heritage sometimes feel alienated from our Federal gov't, which is primarily driven by Yankee values. No conspiracy there; just a bunch of individuals doing what they find works for them.
So, here's how it works: a short con is like what you see on Leverage, where they treat the mark like a fryer and take him for all that he's worth in one go. A long con treats the mark like a layer, and keeps on coming back for more for the rest of her life. The "hidden threat" con works by playing on people's fear and anger; all you need is a platform to speak from and a scapegoat to blame.
Find an audience that is insecure. Spin a tale about how your scapegoat is secretly threatening them. The less provable the better: you need to set yourself up as a source of hidden knowledge, so you can't use anything that would make it past a responsible news editor. Accuse all other sources of authority of being part of the conspiracy -- reporters, educators, scientists, gov't researchers, etc. -- so that your marks will only trust you.
Then, after you've activated their amygdalae (and de-activated their higher reasoning centers) with outrage-inducing stories of this hidden threat, hit them with an appeal in your own voice. Whatever you want. Ask for votes, ask for donations, shill for your sponsors, whatever. Then rake in the power and laugh all the way to the bank. (There is a light side of that psychological force, where you just use humor to disarm them for your sponsors' ads. But that's harder. It's much easier to be a con man than a comedian.)
Sometimes I wish that I were either less NG or less intelligent. I could get very rich very quickly, if only I were an utter sociopath or didn't realize what I was doing. :(
but his perceptive and cognitive abilities are not less than those of the average American citizen
I wouldn't go that far.
Man InfoWars is so entertaining though!
I discovered them on YouTube a while back and I thought, hey, I'm always interested in alternate points of view. I was always a big Disinfo.com fan, and am at worst entertained by such levels of gonzo.
*shakes head*
Then I started REALLY listening to the lyrics. I found them to be anti white, anti capitalist & anti American.I wondered where you could have possibly gotten that idea. It turns out that this is the first Google hit for "Rage Against The Machine" "anti-white", and yeah, it's Stormfront again. Either that or you take Alex Jones seriously, because "anti-racist is a code word for anti-white" is one of his catchphrases.
So, yeah, back to you using white supremacist language again. Funny how you keep doing that.
Who is Alex Jones?
Wow Man, do you not listen to the lyrics? Its crystal clear what their politics are. I don't need a Stormfront forum or google to tell me.Lyrics from People of the sun,
....Tha city of angels does tha ethnic cleanse
Heads bobbin' to that funk out ya
Speaker, on tha one maya, mexica
That vulture game ta try an steal ya name but now
You found a gun... you're history
This is for the people of the sun
It's coming back around again
This is for tha people of tha sun
Down Rodeo lyrics,
...So now I'm rollin' down rodeo wit a
Shot gun these people ain't seen a
Brown skin man since their grandparents bought
One.
....A thousand years you had the tools
We should be taken 'em
F@~& tha g ride I want the machines that are
Makin' em
Our target straight wit a room full of armed
Pawn to
Off tha kings out tha west side at dawn
....They gonna send us campin' like they did my man
Fred Hampton. (black panther)
Know your enemy lyrics,
...Born with insight and a raised fist
...Something must be done
About vengeance, a badge and a gun
...What? The land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy?
...Yes I know my enemies
They're the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are American dreams
Wind below lyrics,
...Flip this capital eclipse
Tha vocal tone has got'em sweatin' they owe
Apocalypse
Killing in the name lyrics,
...Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses
Bomb Track lyrics,
....Landlords and power whores
On my people they took turns
Dispute the suits I ignite
And then watch 'em burn.
Burn, burn, yes ya gonna burn
Also, a white person can have pride in the accomplishments of his/her race, just like a black person has pride in their heritage. I hear about the achievements of blacks every day during black history month. That does not mean they desire supremacy over other races.
Get a grip Man.
*reads lyrics*
Not seeing anything anti-white...
Anti capitalist? Sure. Anti exploitation? You betcha. Unless you think that your whiteness is inextricable from being exploitative and enslaving, I don't see what you're at.
Also spoiler tag that s#*%.
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Also, despite what other people see, I'm not "white".
I'm German, Italian, Irish, English, and Norweigan.
Those are heritages I can be proud (or ashamed) of, but it has nothing nothing to do with the color of my skin.
Being proud of the color of your skin is foolish and leads to false divisions.
Speaking of crazy, those were the years that Bowie was flirting with fascism.
You'll have to elaborate on this, as it seems like word salad to me.
How does an individual flirt with fascism? Doesn't that require you to be a sovereign state? Or do you mean just corporatism, in which case in the context of music you couldn't be more wrong (they almost refused to publish Low, it was so gonzo). So...lolwut?
And before the inevitable black pride retort, most (the vast majority, to be frank) people of african descent in the US don't know their ethnicinty or heritage and it's likely very, very mixed so they sort of lack the ability to be proud or ashamed of it leaving the with just black.Also, despite what other people see, I'm not "white".
I'm German, Italian, Irish, English, and Norweigan.
Those are heritages I can be proud (or ashamed) of, but it has nothing nothing to do with the color of my skin.
Being proud of the color of your skin is foolish and leads to false divisions.
True, and I thought about the very same thing.
Much the same might be true for a lot of latinos.Nonetheless, I find it leads inexorably to asshattery.
Speaking of crazy, those were the years that Bowie was flirting with fascism.You'll have to elaborate on this, as it seems like word salad to me.
How does an individual flirt with fascism? Doesn't that require you to be a sovereign state? Or do you mean just corporatism, in which case in the context of music you couldn't be more wrong (they almost refused to publish Low, it was so gonzo). So...lolwut?
No, you can just greet your fan with a "seig heil" salute, drop references to swastikas into your lyrics, etc., etc.
It's not a big deal, I still love those albums. Also, I don't think he was very serious about it, it was one of those "oh, the imagery!" things. Also, he was stoned out of his mind on coke the entire time.
Who is Alex Jones?
[Turns to the lefties]
He's pretty cool, I think. I mean, you know, if you take him with a shaker of salt.
But he's got a better round-up of national police brutality cases than any other site I've ever seen.
Unless you think that your whiteness is inextricable from being exploitative and enslaving, I don't see what you're at.
Hmmm.