paizo.com Recent Posts in How can you defeat Lucifer?paizo.com Recent Posts in How can you defeat Lucifer?2012-08-16T15:35:19Z2012-08-16T15:35:19ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Kthulhuhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1462015-07-27T22:43:28Z2015-07-27T22:43:28Z<p>This again ???</p>This again ???Kthulhu2015-07-27T22:43:28ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?redpandamage (alias of Adoril Recond)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1452015-07-27T22:11:08Z2015-07-27T22:11:08Z<p>use artifact to cast gate and summon the oliphaunt of jandelay.</p>use artifact to cast gate and summon the oliphaunt of jandelay.redpandamage (alias of Adoril Recond)2015-07-27T22:11:08ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?LazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1442015-07-27T22:08:15Z2015-07-27T22:08:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Avoron wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Mechanically, it works just fine. You can feint at ranged, and Deceptive Exchange forces them to accept an object - no range limitations attached.
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</blockquote><p>That's what as known as Cheese Interpretation of RAW, and I can't think of many GM's that will let that fly.Avoron wrote:Mechanically, it works just fine. You can feint at ranged, and Deceptive Exchange forces them to accept an object - no range limitations attached.
That's what as known as Cheese Interpretation of RAW, and I can't think of many GM's that will let that fly.LazarX2015-07-27T22:08:15ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Rynjinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1432015-07-27T21:28:21Z2015-07-27T21:28:21Z<p>If you have to resort to using complicated methods that clearly are not the intent of the Feat in question to accomplish your goal, you've already lost. It's like that nonsense about using a bow and Hamatula Strike to instantly teleport any target to your location. You know damn well it doesn't work that way.</p>
<p>But again, all of these plans rely on you getting within bow or melee range of him.</p>
<p>How?</p>If you have to resort to using complicated methods that clearly are not the intent of the Feat in question to accomplish your goal, you've already lost. It's like that nonsense about using a bow and Hamatula Strike to instantly teleport any target to your location. You know damn well it doesn't work that way.
But again, all of these plans rely on you getting within bow or melee range of him.
How?Rynjin2015-07-27T21:28:21ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Avoronhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1422015-07-27T21:21:35Z2015-07-27T21:21:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rynjin wrote:</div><blockquote>...Because you can't shoot objects into people's hands.</blockquote><p>Maybe you just haven't tried hard enough.
<p>Mechanically, it works just fine. You can feint at ranged, and Deceptive Exchange forces them to accept an object - no range limitations attached. Rereading the Trap the Soul description, the trigger object doesn't have to be the gem - it could easily be the arrow or bullet itself, which you shoot to the target, and which the target immediately "accepts".</p>
<p>But if you would prefer to avoid that sort of suspension of disbelief, you could always have another party member throw or teleport the object to Lucifer as soon as you perform the feint. The feint just tricks him into accepting it - there are no rules for how it has to get from your hand to his.</p>
<p>For that matter, I'm not convinced he needs to end up physically holding the gem at all. The Trap the Soul spells says it can come into effect "as soon as the subject picks up <b>or</b> accepts the trigger object." This indicates that it is possible to "accept it" without physically picking it up - maybe by intending to take it, or acknowledging that it is now yours.</p>
<p>Regardless of the specifics, whatever the word "accept" means for this sort of thing, Deceptive Exchange will force Lucifer to do it - it uses almost the exact same wording as Trap the Soul.</p>Rynjin wrote:...Because you can't shoot objects into people's hands.
Maybe you just haven't tried hard enough. Mechanically, it works just fine. You can feint at ranged, and Deceptive Exchange forces them to accept an object - no range limitations attached. Rereading the Trap the Soul description, the trigger object doesn't have to be the gem - it could easily be the arrow or bullet itself, which you shoot to the target, and which the target immediately "accepts".
But if you would prefer to...Avoron2015-07-27T21:21:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Flame Effigyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1412015-07-27T22:42:39Z2015-07-27T20:28:20Z<p>You don't.</p>
<p>"But I have a wizard who spent 500 years preparing for yada yada yada, infinite buffs something something something"</p>
<p>Yeah, Lucifer's been doing the same thing far longer than you, along with having an entire plane at his fingertips. You don't.</p>
<p>There's 0 way you'd ever just wind up in a square room with him alone on one side and your party on the other.</p>You don't.
"But I have a wizard who spent 500 years preparing for yada yada yada, infinite buffs something something something"
Yeah, Lucifer's been doing the same thing far longer than you, along with having an entire plane at his fingertips. You don't.
There's 0 way you'd ever just wind up in a square room with him alone on one side and your party on the other.Flame Effigy2015-07-27T20:28:20ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Rynjinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1402015-07-27T20:24:23Z2015-07-27T20:24:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Avoron wrote:</div><blockquote><p> If you're worried about getting close to him, why not just <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/fighter/archetypes/paizo—-fighter-archetypes/archer" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">shoot a trap the soul gem into his hand with a bow?</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/swashbuckler/archetypes/paizo—-swashbuckler-archetypes/picaroon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Or a gun, for that matter.</a>
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</blockquote><p>...Because you can't shoot objects into people's hands.Avoron wrote:If you're worried about getting close to him, why not just shoot a trap the soul gem into his hand with a bow?
Or a gun, for that matter.
...Because you can't shoot objects into people's hands.Rynjin2015-07-27T20:24:23ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Avoronhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1392015-07-27T14:05:00Z2015-07-27T14:05:00Z<p>If you're worried about getting close to him, why not just <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/fighter/archetypes/paizo—-fighter-archetypes/archer" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">shoot a trap the soul gem into his hand with a bow?</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/swashbuckler/archetypes/paizo—-swashbuckler-archetypes/picaroon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Or a gun, for that matter.</a></p>
<p>Also, remember that you just need to feint, not lie. Big difference. Him knowing what you're trying to do won't really stop you.</p>
<p>I've been looking into maximizing bluff already, for a Bewildering Koan build I've been making to go up against the beastmass, so I have a few ideas.
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Let's see...how about</p>
<p>Venerable Kitsune Swashbuckler (Picaroon) 7/Rogue (Kitsune Trickster) 1/Inquisitor (Heretic) 1/Diviner Wizard 1/Bard (Street Performer) 1/Master Spy 9</p>
<p><b>Bluff</b>
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roll a 20 with cyclops helm
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+20 ranks
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+3 class skill
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+11 Cha
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+12 Wis (heritic)
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+10 Int (kitsune trickster)
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+6 skill focus
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+4 deceitful
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+3 voice of the sibyl
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+3 deific obedience (norgorber)
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+2 alien origins
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+3 viper familiar
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+5 gun feint
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+9 master spy
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+5 competence (mask of stony demeanor)
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+2 luck (luckstone and fate's favored)
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+4 circumstance (pageant of the peacock)
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+2 distracting weapon property
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+2 dueling magic weapon ability
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For a total roll of <b>105</b>.
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Hooray! I broke 100!</p>If you're worried about getting close to him, why not just shoot a trap the soul gem into his hand with a bow?
Or a gun, for that matter.
Also, remember that you just need to feint, not lie. Big difference. Him knowing what you're trying to do won't really stop you.
I've been looking into maximizing bluff already, for a Bewildering Koan build I've been making to go up against the beastmass, so I have a few ideas.
Let's see...how about
Venerable Kitsune Swashbuckler (Picaroon) 7/Rogue...Avoron2015-07-27T14:05:00ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?chaoseffecthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1382015-07-27T10:18:39Z2015-07-27T10:18:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rynjin wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Assuming that lie is probable enough to even allow a Bluff check, he's a pretty solitary dude. I'm a bit confused as to why he'd allow any mortal to approach him directly.</p>
<p>Even so, were I him I'd have a policy to use my constant ability to Detect Thoughts before letting anyone speak. </blockquote><p>Clearly we must also bring along someone with at least 5 levels of <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-kobold/dragon-herald" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Dragon Herald</a> Bard to Diplomacy sucker punch him as a full round action.Rynjin wrote:Assuming that lie is probable enough to even allow a Bluff check, he's a pretty solitary dude. I'm a bit confused as to why he'd allow any mortal to approach him directly.
Even so, were I him I'd have a policy to use my constant ability to Detect Thoughts before letting anyone speak.
Clearly we must also bring along someone with at least 5 levels of Dragon Herald Bard to Diplomacy sucker punch him as a full round action.chaoseffect2015-07-27T10:18:39ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Rynjinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1372015-07-27T10:14:37Z2015-07-27T10:14:37Z<p>Assuming that lie is probable enough to even allow a Bluff check, he's a pretty solitary dude. I'm a bit confused as to why he'd allow any mortal to approach him directly.</p>
<p>Even so, were I him I'd have a policy to use my constant ability to Detect Thoughts before letting anyone speak.</p>Assuming that lie is probable enough to even allow a Bluff check, he's a pretty solitary dude. I'm a bit confused as to why he'd allow any mortal to approach him directly.
Even so, were I him I'd have a policy to use my constant ability to Detect Thoughts before letting anyone speak.Rynjin2015-07-27T10:14:37ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?chaoseffecthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1362015-07-27T10:05:13Z2015-07-27T10:05:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rynjin wrote:</div><blockquote>Well, you also need to get close enough to him to hand him an object. Good luck with that. </blockquote><p>Boots of the Battle Herald/Greater Heroism for fear immunity + bluff. "Sup bro, always been a big fan! I brought you this awesome thing to make your more awesome so enjoy and like maybe don't kill me after if that's cool!"
<p>Now roll bluff to see if you defeated Lucifer.</p>Rynjin wrote:Well, you also need to get close enough to him to hand him an object. Good luck with that.
Boots of the Battle Herald/Greater Heroism for fear immunity + bluff. "Sup bro, always been a big fan! I brought you this awesome thing to make your more awesome so enjoy and like maybe don't kill me after if that's cool!" Now roll bluff to see if you defeated Lucifer.chaoseffect2015-07-27T10:05:13ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Rynjinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1352015-07-27T10:00:41Z2015-07-27T10:00:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">chaoseffect wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Geas specifically can't be undone by Break Enchantment: "A remove curse spell ends a geas/quest spell only if its caster level is at least two higher than your caster level. Break enchantment does not end a geas/quest, but limited wish, miracle, and wish do."</p>
<p>Lucifer could Wish it away though, but really that depends on the exact wording of the Geas. You may be able to work it out so attempting to remove the effect would be against the parameters.</blockquote><p>Ah, right. Read that wrong.
<p>So he Limited Wishes it away. And I imagine you can't make him not. That seems an act that would result in almost certain death to me, depending on the Geas.</p>
<p>And that's assuming it even works in the first place.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">chaoseffect wrote:</div><blockquote>The Trap the Soul method really is my favorite though. All you need to do is be able to reliably beat 71 Sense Motive and you are good. Not to say that doesn't require some rather serious optimizing... </blockquote><p>Well, you also need to get close enough to him to hand him an object. Good luck with that.chaoseffect wrote:Geas specifically can't be undone by Break Enchantment: "A remove curse spell ends a geas/quest spell only if its caster level is at least two higher than your caster level. Break enchantment does not end a geas/quest, but limited wish, miracle, and wish do."
Lucifer could Wish it away though, but really that depends on the exact wording of the Geas. You may be able to work it out so attempting to remove the effect would be against the parameters.
Ah, right. Read that...Rynjin2015-07-27T10:00:41ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?chaoseffecthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1342015-07-27T09:48:02Z2015-07-27T09:48:02Z<p>Geas specifically can't be undone by Break Enchantment: "A remove curse spell ends a geas/quest spell only if its caster level is at least two higher than your caster level. Break enchantment does not end a geas/quest, but limited wish, miracle, and wish do."</p>
<p>Lucifer could Wish it away though, but really that depends on the exact wording of the Geas. You may be able to work it out so attempting to remove the effect would be against the parameters.</p>
<p>The Trap the Soul method really is my favorite though. All you need to do is be able to reliably beat 71 Sense Motive and you are good. Not to say that doesn't require some rather serious optimizing...</p>Geas specifically can't be undone by Break Enchantment: "A remove curse spell ends a geas/quest spell only if its caster level is at least two higher than your caster level. Break enchantment does not end a geas/quest, but limited wish, miracle, and wish do."
Lucifer could Wish it away though, but really that depends on the exact wording of the Geas. You may be able to work it out so attempting to remove the effect would be against the parameters.
The Trap the Soul method really is my...chaoseffect2015-07-27T09:48:02ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Rynjinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1332015-07-27T09:42:09Z2015-07-27T09:42:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Pirate Rob wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Alright, one of the easiest ways to take out a single foe is with Geas/Quest.</p>
<p>No save, and wish can be used to duplicate the spell and bypass the casting time.</p>
<p>Now all we need to do is get to a consistent +49 SR roll to that Lucifier always fails.</p>
<p>Half-Elf Wizard</p>
<p>Level 20
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+2 Spell Penetration
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+2 Greater Spell Penetration
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+2 Elven Spirit (Racial Feat)
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+2 Spell Specialization
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+8 Spell Perfection
<br />
+5 Piercing (Rod)
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+1 Gifted Adept (Trait)
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+5 Dwwmer's Essence (Consumable)
<br />
+1 Orange Prism Ioun Stone
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+1d4 Nethys Exalted Boon 3
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That's at least +49</p>
<p>Be a diviner wizard and act first.
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</blockquote><p>Lucifer: •Casts Break Enchantment•
<div class="messageboard-quotee">schlomo the quick wrote:</div><blockquote> Have you all forgotten that the dust of sneezing and choking can beat anything...... 48,000 GP for 20 bags and thats at least 100 rounds being stunned... GG Lucifer better luck next time </blockquote><p>Hope you can reliably make that DC 47 Will save or be Frightened for coming within 20 feet of him.
<p>Plus it bones you just as easily as him.</p>
<p>Also the main problem is, of course, that he is omniscient on his plane.</p>
<p>"Nothing goes unnoticed by him on Infernus. All movements are seen, all whispers are heard. A plan is not hatched or contrived without Lucifer’s knowledge. When people speak of Infernus, they speak of Lucifer and vice versa"</p>
<p>As soon as you step foot on his plane, his Planar Omniscience alerts him. He can then tune in on you. He can see, hear, taste, touch, and smell everything that occurs in your general vicinity. Contrariwise, none of your Divinations and other special senses work, so you're stuck hoofing it the hard way, no Teleporting directly to him, since you have f&~~ all clue where you are.</p>
<p>All he has to do is wear you down by Summoning <span class="messageboard-dice">3d3 ⇒ (3, 2, 3) = 8</span> Pit Fiends and having them take turns f@%@ing your s!+% up. If that don't work, he can Gate in as many more as he needs, and have them Greater Teleport directly to you and commence the ass-whoopin'. Then Wish whoever's still alive to the Positive or Negative Energy Planes for s#~!s and giggles, all from the comfort of his throne. 7 times per day, at DC 31. Hell, he has Craft Rod, make three of those Persistent.</p>
<p>Wait, make that 8/day, since he has a Wish SLA too.</p>
<p>And hell, the Pit Fiends have Wish once a year too, so make that 8 more saves at DC 27 vs the same effect.</p>
<p>Then he still has his 9th-1st level Cleric spells, 8th-1st level Sorcerer spells, and numerous high level at-will and 3/day SLAs left to make the life of whatever unlucky bastard actually managed to survive that</p>
<p>The Geas thing probably wouldn't even work. He prepares Greater Spell Immunity every day, those no-save spells like that are the go-to for a being who can really only be defeated by those things.</p>
<p>All of the Schroedinger's Wizard s$%+ you can pull, so can he. With the added benefits of a higher hit dice, 20 class levels in TWO casting classes, a number of powerful racial SLAs, and kickass martial abilities too.</p>
<p>Stacking the deck really only puts you back on a level playing field at best, and more likely just prolongs the time until your death.</p>Pirate Rob wrote:Alright, one of the easiest ways to take out a single foe is with Geas/Quest.
No save, and wish can be used to duplicate the spell and bypass the casting time.
Now all we need to do is get to a consistent +49 SR roll to that Lucifier always fails.
Half-Elf Wizard
Level 20
+2 Spell Penetration
+2 Greater Spell Penetration
+2 Elven Spirit (Racial Feat)
+2 Spell Specialization
+8 Spell Perfection
+5 Piercing (Rod)
+1 Gifted Adept (Trait)
+5 Dwwmer's Essence (Consumable)
+1...Rynjin2015-07-27T09:42:09ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Scythiahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1322015-07-27T08:41:22Z2015-07-27T08:41:22Z<p>With the warm love of Nylarhotep.</p>With the warm love of Nylarhotep.Scythia2015-07-27T08:41:22ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Kaousehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1312015-07-27T07:18:04Z2015-07-27T07:18:04Z<p>Anything with a stat block can be beaten by a group of level 20 characters...at least if there's enough pre-buffing and planning, of course.</p>
<p>I favor the Gun Paladin approach myself. Boost CHA through the roof. Have Noble Scion (War) to use CHA for Initiative, and then get a Circlet of Persuasion. For greater help, use Bestow Grace to give yourself double your CHA bonus to your saves (spam potions of it if you need to). With that, your saves should be more than decent enough to deal with Lucifer's tricks, and you have a more than decent shot of winning Initiative. As long as you target his Touch AC, it shouldn't be too difficult to hit him with the right buffs on.</p>
<p>The real problem would likely be if he tries to hit you with an Anti-Magic field (does he have Mage's Disjunction? You'd think he'd definitely have that, but I guess not), in which case you're likely to get overwhelmed.</p>Anything with a stat block can be beaten by a group of level 20 characters...at least if there's enough pre-buffing and planning, of course.
I favor the Gun Paladin approach myself. Boost CHA through the roof. Have Noble Scion (War) to use CHA for Initiative, and then get a Circlet of Persuasion. For greater help, use Bestow Grace to give yourself double your CHA bonus to your saves (spam potions of it if you need to). With that, your saves should be more than decent enough to deal with...Kaouse2015-07-27T07:18:04ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Avoronhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1302015-07-27T07:00:16Z2015-07-27T07:00:16Z<p>Ignoring the necro for now, I'm going to suggest just boosting your Bluff to impossible levels and using the feat Deceptive Exchange with a Trap the Soul gem.</p>Ignoring the necro for now, I'm going to suggest just boosting your Bluff to impossible levels and using the feat Deceptive Exchange with a Trap the Soul gem.Avoron2015-07-27T07:00:16ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Pirate Robhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1292015-07-27T06:19:16Z2015-07-27T06:19:16Z<p>Alright, one of the easiest ways to take out a single foe is with Geas/Quest.</p>
<p>No save, and wish can be used to duplicate the spell and bypass the casting time.</p>
<p>Now all we need to do is get to a consistent +49 SR roll to that Lucifier always fails.</p>
<p>Half-Elf Wizard</p>
<p>Level 20
<br />
+2 Spell Penetration
<br />
+2 Greater Spell Penetration
<br />
+2 Elven Spirit (Racial Feat)
<br />
+2 Spell Specialization
<br />
+8 Spell Perfection
<br />
+5 Piercing (Rod)
<br />
+1 Gifted Adept (Trait)
<br />
+5 Dwwmer's Essence (Consumable)
<br />
+1 Orange Prism Ioun Stone
<br />
+1d4 Nethys Exalted Boon 3
<br />
That's at least +49</p>
<p>Be a diviner wizard and act first.</p>Alright, one of the easiest ways to take out a single foe is with Geas/Quest.
No save, and wish can be used to duplicate the spell and bypass the casting time.
Now all we need to do is get to a consistent +49 SR roll to that Lucifier always fails.
Half-Elf Wizard
Level 20
+2 Spell Penetration
+2 Greater Spell Penetration
+2 Elven Spirit (Racial Feat)
+2 Spell Specialization
+8 Spell Perfection
+5 Piercing (Rod)
+1 Gifted Adept (Trait)
+5 Dwwmer's Essence (Consumable)
+1 Orange Prism Ioun...Pirate Rob2015-07-27T06:19:16ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Bloodrealmhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1282015-07-27T05:58:40Z2015-07-27T05:58:40Z<p>You berate the GM for using Tome of Redundancy Complete.</p>You berate the GM for using Tome of Redundancy Complete.Bloodrealm2015-07-27T05:58:40ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Soilenthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1272015-07-27T05:58:37Z2015-07-27T05:58:37Z<p>Sympathy.</p>Sympathy.Soilent2015-07-27T05:58:37ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Cavallhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1262015-07-27T05:53:09Z2015-07-27T05:53:09Z<p>Atheism. </p>
<p>Not just for dismissing the other side, anymore.</p>Atheism.
Not just for dismissing the other side, anymore.Cavall2015-07-27T05:53:09ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Gilfalashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1252015-07-27T05:25:26Z2015-07-27T05:25:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Belmezard wrote:</div><blockquote>How is it possible to defeat him?</blockquote><p>The GM lets you. Played with any sort of brain, he will defeat any party.Belmezard wrote:How is it possible to defeat him?
The GM lets you. Played with any sort of brain, he will defeat any party.Gilfalas2015-07-27T05:25:26ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?schlomo the quickhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1242015-07-27T04:25:09Z2015-07-27T04:25:09Z<p>Have you all forgotten that the dust of sneezing and choking can beat anything...... 48,000 GP for 20 bags and thats at least 100 rounds being stunned... GG Lucifer better luck next time</p>Have you all forgotten that the dust of sneezing and choking can beat anything...... 48,000 GP for 20 bags and thats at least 100 rounds being stunned... GG Lucifer better luck next timeschlomo the quick2015-07-27T04:25:09ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Unrulyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1232013-07-21T09:02:44Z2013-07-21T09:02:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Magus Black wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Step 1: Find the Saint of Killers.
</p>
Step 2: Try not to die.
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Step 3: Convince the Saint of Killers to kill Lucifer.
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Step 4: Try not to die.
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Step 5: Watch the Saint of Killers headshot Lucifer.
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Step 6: Try not to die.
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Step 7: Don’t taunt, tease, mock, or congratulate the Saint of Killers.
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Final Rule: Try not to die. </blockquote><p>I was so glad to see this.
<p>There's also this -
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Step 1: Have an angel and a demon make a baby.
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Step 2: Absorb all the powers of said baby.
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Step 3: Tell Lucifer to go f•&$ himself.
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Step 4: Watch with amusement as he does just that.</p>Magus Black wrote:Step 1: Find the Saint of Killers.
Step 2: Try not to die.
Step 3: Convince the Saint of Killers to kill Lucifer.
Step 4: Try not to die.
Step 5: Watch the Saint of Killers headshot Lucifer.
Step 6: Try not to die.
Step 7: Don’t taunt, tease, mock, or congratulate the Saint of Killers.
Final Rule: Try not to die.
I was so glad to see this. There's also this -
Step 1: Have an angel and a demon make a baby.
Step 2: Absorb all the powers of said baby.
Step 3: Tell Lucifer to...Unruly2013-07-21T09:02:44ZRe: Forums: Advice: How can you defeat Lucifer?Jack Rifthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oo4s&page=3?How-can-you-defeat-Lucifer#1222013-07-21T02:26:42Z2013-07-21T02:26:42Z<p>One issue, Infurnus is his plane. As soon as you arrived he knows. You try to gate to him, he redirects you else where. Oh, you can live in lava that then changes to every element every round.... oophs! Then you have all of his devils to deal with. You are not fighting one CR 39, you are fighting an entire plane of existence. Anything you can think he has thought of for he is matching wits with all the Arch-Devil and has not lost yet. Hope your DM is nice.</p>One issue, Infurnus is his plane. As soon as you arrived he knows. You try to gate to him, he redirects you else where. Oh, you can live in lava that then changes to every element every round.... oophs! Then you have all of his devils to deal with. You are not fighting one CR 39, you are fighting an entire plane of existence. Anything you can think he has thought of for he is matching wits with all the Arch-Devil and has not lost yet. Hope your DM is nice.Jack Rift2013-07-21T02:26:42Z