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Rotuthem wrote:
A 70+ year old goblin lich! Now there is something different. Should I be scared or do I laugh?

Laugh at first and be deeply scared afterwards. Like in Burnt Offerings...


Stebehil wrote:
Rotuthem wrote:
A 70+ year old goblin lich! Now there is something different. Should I be scared or do I laugh?
Laugh at first and be deeply scared afterwards. Like in Burnt Offerings...

ROFLMAO!!! ... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!


The question now would be could a lich goblin be of good alignment? We are still talking about Yoda, after all.


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Yoda to the dark side went. Palpatine defeated wanted he, but not for goodness. Planet dagobah full of terrors controll he wanted.

Qadira

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in protoindoeuropean yoda has other options:

YODA
IODA
GODA
JODA

i is a pronominal stem
o means 'to announce/ to hold as true'
-da means 'to divide'

i-o-da

YODA could mean: 'to declare intention to cut in half (with a light saber)'


Very nice info! Thanks for that tidbit.


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The Crusader wrote:
So... You're saying Yoda hates horses?

That depends... is Yoda afraid of horses?

Yoda said wrote:
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. ~ yoda


The Advanced Races Book does say goblins live to be 60 years old. They are also nocturnal, so the way they rate age could be based on the lunar calender. They could easily consider themselves to be a minimum of 10 times the solar age (if you follow what I mean). The same could be said for Yoda...nobody really knows. He could have given his age from his planet (if his home world orbits 10 times faster than our own) or from the lunar cycle.


I love this......absolutely love it.

In answer to the earlier question about if Yoda could be a lich and still be good, remember that the Jedi had codes against things most consider "positive" as much as "negative".

Fear, yes, but also love, for an example.

So you could get away with neutral there.

The Bestiary lists the alignment in the Lich template as "any evil", though the description of the lich itself doesn't necessarily preclude neutral alignments. A neutral character could very well practice necromancy without becoming evil. If the focus in necromancy were something like becoming a lich to, say, safeguard an ancient order?

Besides, if necromancy were inherently evil, any spell in the book with the [Necromancy] school would risk warping the user's alignment, and I haven't seen a ruling on that yet.

So we could probably get away with a Lawful Neutral lich. Far more horrible things have been done in the name of "the greater good" than turning oneself into an undead wizard of unsurpassed power.

So....off to build a LN Goblin Lich. But how many levels, and of what?

Wizard, obviously. Someone mentioned psionicist (a good fit for getting "Force" powers). A dash of fighter for some bonus feats. Thoughts?

At 900 years, he'd have plenty of time to break well beyond 20th level.


Sounds good!


Hjolmaer wrote:

Wizard, obviously. Someone mentioned psionicist (a good fit for getting "Force" powers). A dash of fighter for some bonus feats. Thoughts?

At 900 years, he'd have plenty of time to break well beyond 20th level.

Whatever the Psionic version of a Magus is... that's what I would go with lol. With a Brilliant Energy Longsword... well probably short sword for Yoda.


Convert the psychic warrior from 3rd, perhaps....interesting.....


Someone already has...Dreamscarred press did.


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Required, lichdom is not. Afraid of horses, Yoda is not. Insulted, Yoda is at being called a mite.

Ten levels in the psion class and ten levels in the quinggong monk class, Yoda has. Mythic rules, Yoda also uses.


I think the fact that Yoda died of old age precludes him from being a lich, wouldn't you say?


Not necessarily. It could be that his phylactery had been broken long before and he just physically broke down over the centuries....anything is possible.


yellowdingo wrote:
JODA

Or maybe it's spanish for "effin' around" or "party"


I think I will make a 4 pack of Goblin liches (seeing as how they are small enough, maybe I can get a discount for multiple puchases). One good, one Neutral, One evil and one Chaotic Neutral. The others would be Lawful. Different colored robes and 'special' swords from Numeria.
The party could be told to go to one of them for training and/or a mission....hmmmm.

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Stebehil wrote:
Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:


Which may even be a good idea. Certainly there are a number of things that have been defined and codified over the years I'd have rather seen left vague.

Are you talking about that Midichlorian disaster? That would better have been left undefined indeed.

Yoda as a 900-year-old goblin is a nice idea indeed. What class (in PF, not Star Wars d20) would he be? Some kind of monk?

You know that was the single worst thing he ever did. Thankfully Kotor never mentioned it.

I am still trying to drink that knowledge away...


We can all just agree that the 'other' 3 Star Wars movies never really happened in our Star Wars world. It just happened to be an alternate universe with some similar characters.
It's kinda what I have to do with the new Star Trek movies...Still, back on topic.
A 4 pack of Goblin liches (seeing as how they are small enough, maybe I can get a discount for multiple puchases). One good, one Neutral, One evil and one Chaotic Neutral. The others would be Lawful. Different colored robes and 'special' swords from Numeria.
The party could be told to go to one of them for training and/or a mission. What do ya'll think?


I would welcome these goblin liches into my fold. They don't take up much space and require very little in return for their services.


When I picture Jedi/Sith I picture Psionics. A lot of the Force Powers can be replicated through Psionics as well. One of the things that occurs to me, is you can see Yoda and Palpatine 'novaing' in the prequels, while Anakin and Obi-Wan are more warriors. I envision Yoda and Palpatine as Psions with Anakin and Obi-Wan as Psychic Warriors. Toss in a Psionic equivalent of the spell Age Resistance, and I think it'd be very easy to build either character with Psionics.


Agreed Tels.


Interesting... You know, all the talk of horses just makes me think about how Yoda rode luke like a horse and called it 'training'. Did yoda have to make a ride check?

As for class, i'm convinced he had some levels in oracle.. (sensing the force and such)

Maybe we snould make a list of his spells/abilities to narrow it down? Levitate comes to mind...


Rotuthem wrote:
The Advanced Races Book does say goblins live to be 60 years old. They are also nocturnal, so the way they rate age could be based on the lunar calender. They could easily consider themselves to be a minimum of 10 times the solar age (if you follow what I mean). The same could be said for Yoda...nobody really knows. He could have given his age from his planet (if his home world orbits 10 times faster than our own) or from the lunar cycle.

Going with this age factor then Goblins really do fit the bill for Yoda!


I might suggest that he's a Flowing Monk


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lordzack wrote:
I think the fact that Yoda died of old age precludes him from being a lich, wouldn't you say?

I agree. He was an epic-level living character, continually taking the Extended Lifespan feat. Unfortunately, after the Fall of the Republic, he stopped gaining XP while going into retirement. He never got to buy the feat again, and apparently training Luke didn't give him enough XP to buy another feat :)


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I will wade in and go with the mite option (presented by Charlie Bell)with a twist,

-firstly no age stated for mites
-They have an affinity to vermin with an empathic link (midi-chlorians appear to be a parasite, similar to vermin ?)
-The average stats show an increased wisdom.
-There is the correct amount of digits on hands and feet
-The size and dimensions of individual body parts seems right.
-The head features ears eyes mouth nose and proportions are very similar to Yoda Link for comparison

And here is the twist
- They are the psionic version of mites
- Blues are psionic goblins and have heightened intelligence and a change in skin colour green to blue. So Yoda's race similarly has a change in skin colour this time blue to green and a similar heightened intelligence.

This is my humble submission.

Grand Lodge

I wonder if we might see one in Star Wars: Episode VII?

Silver Crusade

Yoda has tridyctal hands. That might give trouble to the goblin theory... unless he's a gobling born aasimar


+1 for a green psionic mite. Now do we call them greens or psites? As fey they should be quite long-lived.


Several years ago (late 90's) I played Yoda as a goblin Wizard that believed that he had the Force. Later on he even got a staff that he could hit people with and say "Mine" and they had to roll a Will save or give him the item. "Mine, mine, mine!". I eventually made a lightsaber, too.

I used the toy as my miniature, too. :)


Thanael wrote:
+1 for a green psionic mite. Now do we call them greens or psites? As fey they should be quite long-lived.

I like the name greens, psites is what you do with your psyes. Alternately they could be mites who undergo a change like the bleaching but turn green instead of white. This of course happens not when the don't have new experiences but when they don't have violent ones.


Yoda is a warpriest of the force.
Has a arch type that gives him a few wizard spells like haste,invisible mage hand, and telekinesis and maybe his wisdom bonus to ac like a monk as he clearly only moved things and dispelled others spells in the movies.
He is also a dispell magic specialist and a clairvoyant user.
With max ranks in acrobatics


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lordzack wrote:
I think the fact that Yoda died of old age precludes him from being a lich, wouldn't you say?

He did not die. He just got tired of having to talk to Luke. He went either Astral or Ethereal.

Lantern Lodge

Goblin, lives in a swamp...

Has anyone seen Yoda read anything? Or try to destroy anything (like R2D2 when they first meet)?

Yoda = Goblin.


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You know, I don't recall there being any horses in Star Wars... I wonder if it' because some idiot gave a Goblin a lightsaber and taught him force powers.


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I want to know what Yoda iiiiiis. I want you to show meeeee.


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Silly conjecture.

Yoda is in-fact a hobbit.

In the early days of the 4th age of Arda (later known as earth) a hobbit, Bilbo who for a time was the bearer of a ring of great power left that planet sometimes called Middle Earth as it in the ancient cosmology it was Mid-way between the realm of Illuvatar and the "underworld." He left this Middle Earth along with many residents of the planet to join the powerful Valar in their realm in the "heavens."

While for many the story ends here but few know that it does not end. You see Hobbits are strange and resilient creatures. One of their number possessed an evil artifact for many decades and experienced many mutations that in some artist rendering give his skin a greenish hue in addition to giving him a wicked soar throat and big eyes.

It has been suggested by some that this time among the Valar was ended for some unknown reason he left the idyllic realm of the Valar whose planet has not been identified, to journey to a distant galaxy. Their are several reasons given for several physialogical changes that this hobbit under went though most suggest that the lack of natural starlight or poor oxygen filters caused a pigment change from the normal hobbit pinkish hue to a more sage green. Additionally it is suggested that when first admiring a laser sword he was somewhat clumsy and damaged his his ears and lopped off several fingers. While surgeons were able to save both his ears stuck out funny and the reconstruction of his hands left him with only two fingers and a thumb on each hand.

The strange pattern of speech he developed some have suggested is due to playing bridge with old friends, Gandalf, Rhadagast, and Elrond feeling he had no way to compete with their actual wisdom he adopted a strange and backward way of speaking which forced people to ponder his words and in the end seemed more wise.

Once in this strange new galaxy some sort of magic symbiotic parasite really liked his mutated skin cells so much that he was first paraded around as some sort of curiosity because of the "high mitochlorian" count. Eventually they figured he should be trained in the manipulation of this quazi-divine magic prevalent in that galaxy.

It is unclear exactly when he started going by the new name Yoda but people from his original planet, in that era, changed their name all the time for example; Ellessar/Aragorn/Strider, & Mythrandir/Gandalf.

Silver Crusade

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darth_borehd wrote:

Yoda's species has 5 known representatives--Yoda, Yaddle, Vandar, Minch, and Oteg.

Only Yoda was seen existing in the Rebellion Era or beyond.

For unknown reasons, George Lucas has refused to say the name of Yoda's species (except to say jokingly "he's a frog"). He also denied that it's the Whills (from "Journal of the Whills").

Hang on, I thought Minch and Yoda were the same guy, that his full name was Minch Yoda?

Lantern Lodge

"Lucasfilm official Leland Chee later stated that Minch and the Jedi Master Yoda are not one and the same, nor was Minch a part of the latter's name." Wookiepedia...

Not the most reliable source, but whatever.

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Huh. Okay. Thanks for the clarification.


Leland Chee has been charged by Disney to clean up and simplify the Star Wars canon (AKA slice the Extended Universe up with an extra large lightsaber), so we will see what happens to Yoda's species then.

Osirion

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Redeemed Mythic Goblin! 8^)


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You guys forgot Yogurt.


If Leland Chee were to say cleanse the Midichlorians from the universe, I might be convinced to give him my first born...


I've actually stated up a Jedi-like group in my game, which may work fairly well for Yoda as well. Looking at the 20th level version of him, he would be Wizard 5/ Fighter 5/ Eldritch Knight 10. Yes, some tweaking is needed, but that's a good start, especially once we remember that a level 19 character has been masquerading as a god. This build will give him a BAB of 17, and access to 8th level spells, he would probably choose Moment of Prescience for one of them. Otherwise, he displays Force Leap, or the Jump spell, probably has the Jedi Mind Trick, or Suggestion, Force Burst, where he increases his speed as per Expeditious Retreat, make him a Universalist so that he can use Hand of the Acolyte for Throw Lightsaber, Force Push would be Telekinesis, as is lifting the X-Wing out of the swamp. Various divination spells are his connection to the Force.

Now, for the lightsaber, it is NOT a brilliant energy weapon. If it were, the Separatists would have beaten the hell out of the Jedi, as would Grievous, with no loses, because Brilliant Energy does not harm undead, or CONSTRUCTS, or other nonliving material. It's been shown as cutting right through those things, so I would say it's an adamantine weapon, for ignoring hardness, at least +1 obviously, with the magical property of glowing, or, and this is what I prefer, Flaming. Consider, the lightsaber cauterizes the wounds it makes, as would a flaming sword. And of course it's a bonded object. The construction of these things were a major part of Padawan training, after all.


Yoda is a Golarion goblin, with Nosgoth Vampirism, it explains both the long lifespan and the three-digit hands and feet.


Val'bryn wrote:

I've actually stated up a Jedi-like group in my game, which may work fairly well for Yoda as well. Looking at the 20th level version of him, he would be Wizard 5/ Fighter 5/ Eldritch Knight 10. Yes, some tweaking is needed, but that's a good start, especially once we remember that a level 19 character has been masquerading as a god. This build will give him a BAB of 17, and access to 8th level spells, he would probably choose Moment of Prescience for one of them. Otherwise, he displays Force Leap, or the Jump spell, probably has the Jedi Mind Trick, or Suggestion, Force Burst, where he increases his speed as per Expeditious Retreat, make him a Universalist so that he can use Hand of the Acolyte for Throw Lightsaber, Force Push would be Telekinesis, as is lifting the X-Wing out of the swamp. Various divination spells are his connection to the Force.

Now, for the lightsaber, it is NOT a brilliant energy weapon. If it were, the Separatists would have beaten the hell out of the Jedi, as would Grievous, with no loses, because Brilliant Energy does not harm undead, or CONSTRUCTS, or other nonliving material. It's been shown as cutting right through those things, so I would say it's an adamantine weapon, for ignoring hardness, at least +1 obviously, with the magical property of glowing, or, and this is what I prefer, Flaming. Consider, the lightsaber cauterizes the wounds it makes, as would a flaming sword. And of course it's a bonded object. The construction of these things were a major part of Padawan training, after all.

Why do you feel they'd be a Wizard as opposed to a Sorcerer?


While Sorcerer is a better fit, thematically, I had to go Wizard because I didn't see any way for a Sorcerer to gain Hand of the Acolyte, which is required for Throw Lightsaber. Just about all Jedi know how to do the Force Throw, which precludes it from being a high level ability.

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