paizo.com Recent Posts in Show me a good Alchemist Build....paizo.com Recent Posts in Show me a good Alchemist Build....2012-07-26T22:39:43Z2012-07-26T22:39:43ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....MrCharismahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#832017-12-27T13:26:30Z2017-12-27T13:26:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DColclazier wrote:</div><blockquote>How'd you get proficiency with your longbow?</blockquote><p>That post is more than 5 years old, you may not get an answer.
<p>Having said that, a number of races would get you proficiency, or the <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/alchemist/archetypes/paizo-alchemist-archetypes/grenadier/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">GRENADIER</a> archetype would do it too (and is probably a good idea if you want to go ranged alchemist).</p>DColclazier wrote:How'd you get proficiency with your longbow?
That post is more than 5 years old, you may not get an answer. Having said that, a number of races would get you proficiency, or the GRENADIER archetype would do it too (and is probably a good idea if you want to go ranged alchemist).MrCharisma2017-12-27T13:26:30ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....DColclazierhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#822017-12-27T11:46:11Z2017-12-27T11:46:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">GeraintElberion wrote:</div><blockquote><p> You can melee well or go ranged well, doing both would be too MAD.</p>
<p>Which is fair enough, even rangers have to make sacrifices to go switch-hitter.</p>
<p>My lvl 5 alchemist isn't especially optimised but he bombs, does decent archery, covers a lot of skills and is a solid secondary healer. The bombs re especially useful in adventures where you face large groups of foes, or when your GM likes swarms.</p>
<p>•• spoiler omitted ••... </blockquote><p>How'd you get proficiency with your longbow?GeraintElberion wrote:You can melee well or go ranged well, doing both would be too MAD.
Which is fair enough, even rangers have to make sacrifices to go switch-hitter.
My lvl 5 alchemist isn't especially optimised but he bombs, does decent archery, covers a lot of skills and is a solid secondary healer. The bombs re especially useful in adventures where you face large groups of foes, or when your GM likes swarms.
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How'd you get proficiency with your longbow?DColclazier2017-12-27T11:46:11ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....ArmouredMonk13https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#812013-08-03T00:07:55Z2013-08-03T00:07:55Z<p>Another option is pump up INT and DEX for weapons finesse. You produce less DPR and are limited, but you can then use extracts of bulls strength or of enlarge person and mutagens to buff damage output for a nova style fight. If you give yourself a 13 STR, you could also take power attack for 2h melee with a morningstar or longspear and do some damage. Then just use standard battlefield controller tactics for bombing.</p>Another option is pump up INT and DEX for weapons finesse. You produce less DPR and are limited, but you can then use extracts of bulls strength or of enlarge person and mutagens to buff damage output for a nova style fight. If you give yourself a 13 STR, you could also take power attack for 2h melee with a morningstar or longspear and do some damage. Then just use standard battlefield controller tactics for bombing.ArmouredMonk132013-08-03T00:07:55ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....MiniGM (alias of Vuvu)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#802013-08-02T23:18:17Z2013-08-02T23:18:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Keltoi wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I have built a ratfolk mindchemist for an upcoming campaign, not sure how he'll fair but with rapid shot and point blank i have 2 - d6+5 bombs per round at my disposal at lvl 1!</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Bombs are a standard action, so no rapid shot with them until you get teh fast bombs discovery at level 8
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>possible this was errata'd or I read something wrong, but pretty sure this is ow it goes.</span></p>Keltoi wrote:I have built a ratfolk mindchemist for an upcoming campaign, not sure how he'll fair but with rapid shot and point blank i have 2 - d6+5 bombs per round at my disposal at lvl 1!
Bombs are a standard action, so no rapid shot with them until you get teh fast bombs discovery at level 8 possible this was errata'd or I read something wrong, but pretty sure this is ow it goes.MiniGM (alias of Vuvu)2013-08-02T23:18:17ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....FLitehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#792013-08-02T23:05:43Z2013-08-02T23:05:43Z<p>Personally, I expect to have fun with my battlefield support grenadier/bard. Start with gnome bard with pyromaniac racial trait, add 2 levels of alchemist, get 2d6+2 fire damage ranged touch, and add the ability to infuse alchemy into allies weapons (as a move action if I recall, so I can add 1d6 acid damage to the fighters sword and then take a 5 foot step and throw an explosive bomb at the enemy for another 2d6 fire + 1d6 continuing damage.) For a third level that's pretty nice, and the alchemist extracts very nicely fill gaps in the bard spell list. (like shield)</p>Personally, I expect to have fun with my battlefield support grenadier/bard. Start with gnome bard with pyromaniac racial trait, add 2 levels of alchemist, get 2d6+2 fire damage ranged touch, and add the ability to infuse alchemy into allies weapons (as a move action if I recall, so I can add 1d6 acid damage to the fighters sword and then take a 5 foot step and throw an explosive bomb at the enemy for another 2d6 fire + 1d6 continuing damage.) For a third level that's pretty nice, and the...FLite2013-08-02T23:05:43ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Mahoranprincesshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#782013-08-02T22:50:08Z2013-08-02T22:50:08Z<p>Creating and throwing a bomb requires a standard
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action that provokes an attack of opportunity</p>Creating and throwing a bomb requires a standard
action that provokes an attack of opportunityMahoranprincess2013-08-02T22:50:08ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Gobo Hordehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#772012-07-26T23:49:34Z2012-07-26T23:49:34Z<p>Alright thanks. that more or less answered my question.</p>Alright thanks. that more or less answered my question.Gobo Horde2012-07-26T23:49:34ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Jon Otaguro 428https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#762012-07-26T21:52:15Z2012-07-26T21:52:15Z<p>Earliest to get kirin strike:</p>
<p>2nd level with 2 levels of monk (mom) and/or fighter (unarmed)</p>
<p>7th level with 1 level of monk (mom) and/or fighter (unarmed) and you have to take the monk/fighter class at level 7 to use your regular feat to get kirin style and bonus feat to get kirin strike.</p>
<p>9th level without any prerequisite bypassing classes.</p>Earliest to get kirin strike:
2nd level with 2 levels of monk (mom) and/or fighter (unarmed)
7th level with 1 level of monk (mom) and/or fighter (unarmed) and you have to take the monk/fighter class at level 7 to use your regular feat to get kirin style and bonus feat to get kirin strike.
9th level without any prerequisite bypassing classes.Jon Otaguro 4282012-07-26T21:52:15ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Maerimydrahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#752012-07-26T21:12:07Z2012-07-26T21:12:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sleet Storm wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Gobo Horde wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Anyone given thought to the mindchemist going with Kirin Strike?
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Here is the relevant information;
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In the mindchemest, you gain <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Perfect Recall</a> allowing you to add your intelligence bonus to knowledge checks twice.</p>
<p>•• spoiler omitted ••</p>
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/kirin-style-combat-style" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Kirin Style</a> allows you to to make a knowledge check as a swift action to gain +2 to your AC and a +2 to dodge against that creature.</p>
<p>•• spoiler omitted ••</p>
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/kirin-strike-combat" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Kirin Strike</a> allows you to add your intelegence modifier to one attack as a swift action twice.</p>
<p>•• spoiler omitted ••</blockquote>... </blockquote><p>Now this idea I like:)
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Maybe needs some adjustments for me though. Does anybody know if I can use Focused Shot with the Explosive Missile discovery. </blockquote><p>Both are standard actions so I don't think so.Sleet Storm wrote:Gobo Horde wrote:Anyone given thought to the mindchemist going with Kirin Strike?
Here is the relevant information;
In the mindchemest, you gain Perfect Recall allowing you to add your intelligence bonus to knowledge checks twice.** spoiler omitted **
Kirin Style allows you to to make a knowledge check as a swift action to gain +2 to your AC and a +2 to dodge against that creature.
** spoiler omitted **
Kirin Strike allows you to add your intelegence modifier to one...Maerimydra2012-07-26T21:12:07ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Sleet Stormhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#742012-07-26T20:28:19Z2012-07-26T20:28:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Gobo Horde wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Anyone given thought to the mindchemist going with Kirin Strike?
</p>
Here is the relevant information;
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In the mindchemest, you gain <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Perfect Recall</a> allowing you to add your intelligence bonus to knowledge checks twice.</p>
<p>•• spoiler omitted ••</p>
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/kirin-style-combat-style" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Kirin Style</a> allows you to to make a knowledge check as a swift action to gain +2 to your AC and a +2 to dodge against that creature.</p>
<p>•• spoiler omitted ••</p>
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/kirin-strike-combat" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Kirin Strike</a> allows you to add your intelegence modifier to one attack as a swift action twice.</p>
<p>•• spoiler omitted ••</blockquote>... </blockquote><p>Now this idea I like:)
</p>
Maybe needs some adjustments for me though. Does anybody know if I can use Focused Shot with the Explosive Missile discovery.</p>Gobo Horde wrote:Anyone given thought to the mindchemist going with Kirin Strike?
Here is the relevant information;
In the mindchemest, you gain Perfect Recall allowing you to add your intelligence bonus to knowledge checks twice.** spoiler omitted **
Kirin Style allows you to to make a knowledge check as a swift action to gain +2 to your AC and a +2 to dodge against that creature.
** spoiler omitted **
Kirin Strike allows you to add your intelegence modifier to one attack as a swift...Sleet Storm2012-07-26T20:28:19ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Gobo Hordehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#732012-07-26T05:52:59Z2012-07-26T05:52:59Z<p>Another thing I forgot to mention in my above post was to add Breath Weapon Bomb at level 7. That same toon would get 3d6 +24 to every creature in the 15 foot cone. only really useful if you get surrounded, but it can really stack up the damage and it counts as a direct hit to all creatures touched.</p>
<p>Also, Im still asking about the skill thing. Would really like to know if you can get kirin strike at level 3 or level 6 normally.</p>
<p>Lastly, I love the firebomber. Great for high roleplaying games. Something about goblins, fire, and huge explosions really speaks to me... it whispers softly from across the room.... <span class=tiny>Put it out! Put it out! You stinking goblin Ill get you for this!!!</span></p>
<p>Corse I tend to be running in the opposite direction from that particular stall...
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Gotta love Inferno bombs and rocket bombs!</p>
<p>Ps: might wanna try remote bomb with that. or go implant bomb with a mindchemist/clone Master. Anyone actually manage to kill you, everything dies..... Great fun with Simulacrums as well.</p>Another thing I forgot to mention in my above post was to add Breath Weapon Bomb at level 7. That same toon would get 3d6 +24 to every creature in the 15 foot cone. only really useful if you get surrounded, but it can really stack up the damage and it counts as a direct hit to all creatures touched.
Also, Im still asking about the skill thing. Would really like to know if you can get kirin strike at level 3 or level 6 normally.
Lastly, I love the firebomber. Great for high roleplaying...Gobo Horde2012-07-26T05:52:59ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....TarkXT (alias of Tark the Ork)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#722012-07-26T03:07:48Z2012-07-26T03:07:48Z<p>Now combine that with Half Orc for extra bomb damage.</p>
<p>The firebomber can be particularly nasty. Grab Burn! Burn! Burn! and add another 1d4 damage to it on top of extra damage based on the amoutn of dice rolled for it.</p>Now combine that with Half Orc for extra bomb damage.
The firebomber can be particularly nasty. Grab Burn! Burn! Burn! and add another 1d4 damage to it on top of extra damage based on the amoutn of dice rolled for it.TarkXT (alias of Tark the Ork)2012-07-26T03:07:48ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Gobo Hordehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#712012-07-26T20:47:32Z2012-07-26T01:17:02Z<p>Anyone given thought to the mindchemist going with Kirin Strike?
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Here is the relevant information;
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In the mindchemest, you gain <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Perfect Recall</a> allowing you to add your intelligence bonus to knowledge checks twice.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/kirin-style-combat-style" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Kirin Style</a> allows you to to make a knowledge check as a swift action to gain +2 to your AC and a +2 to dodge against that creature.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/kirin-strike-combat" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Kirin Strike</a> allows you to add your intelegence modifier to one attack as a swift action twice.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>next up we have <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/t/targeted-bomb-admixture" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Targeted Bomb Admixture</a> granting you double your int modifier with your bombs but they don't splash.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>When you add kirin strike together with targeted bomb admixture, you gain bomb damage +2X int (targeted) +int +int (kirin strike) for a total of bomb damage +4X int bonus. normally 2 doublings equals a tripling, but with kirin strike you add twice your int bonus instead of doubling it. With the mindchemists ability to create cognatogens, a base int of 16, a +2 racial bonus to int and you can sit at 22 int easily with your cognatogen up.</p>
<p>Multiclassing as a level 1 Master of many styles (monk) or 1 level lore warden (fighter) gains your a lot of abilities. MOMS grants you kirin strike easiest, while Lore Warden grants you all int skills as class skills and a bonus feat to go toward Kirin strike.</p>
<p>Now lets take a level 6 PC, Mindchemist 5/MOMS 1. 22 int= +6 modifier. with a single point in a knowledge skill (say local) you take d20 +1 +12 +2 +3 =d20 +19 to make a DC 15 +CR check... aka atto succeed. (btw the bonuses are skill point, int modifier X2, Kirin Strike bonus, Class skill bonus) Then targeted bomb admixture plus the bonus from this grants you 4X your int in damage to your bombs. A level 5 alc has 3d6 +24 bomb damage from int alone. Add this to immolation bombs and you do 25 to 30 damage a turn for 3 turns, add 15 dc to any concentration checks made by that caster, and have him waste full round actions trying to put it out. This has the potential to do 90 damage per bomb chucked.</p>
<p>The main drawbacks with this are how soon you can gain kirin strike without the monk dip, swift action bloat (it takes a swift action to enter the stance, a swift to take the knowledge check, and a swift to gain the damage boost :S), it does not mesh that well with two weapon bomb throwing, and taking too many dips in MOMS and Lore Warden can weaken your bombs somewhat.</p>
<p>So what do you think? Any ways to improve this? Any other ideas that might make this better/quicker?
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Bonus points for incorporating Beastmorph/clone master/internal Alchemist or any of the racial specific archetypes.
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Also quick question, is the max skill points you can have in a skill = to your level or your level +3? Does the +3 bonus you gain for it being a class skill considered for the prerequisites of kirin strike? I think I am getting mixed up with an older rule set.</p>Anyone given thought to the mindchemist going with Kirin Strike?
Here is the relevant information;
In the mindchemest, you gain Perfect Recall allowing you to add your intelligence bonus to knowledge checks twice.
[Spoiler omitted]
Kirin Style allows you to to make a knowledge check as a swift action to gain +2 to your AC and a +2 to dodge against that creature.
[Spoiler omitted]
Kirin Strike allows you to add your intelegence modifier to one attack as a swift action twice.
[Spoiler...Gobo Horde2012-07-26T01:17:02ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Azaelas Fayth (alias of JTMC93)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#702012-07-25T16:59:46Z2012-07-25T16:59:46Z<p>It isn't a damage boost. It is simply a fighter trading one of their class features for bombs.</p>
<p>Anyway. There are many builds for an alchemist. The thing is you will Either be focusing on melee or on bombs. This focus might be negligible but it still will be there.</p>
<p>And even some melee dedicated characters have a hard time getting the damage you want. At least getting it reliably.</p>It isn't a damage boost. It is simply a fighter trading one of their class features for bombs.
Anyway. There are many builds for an alchemist. The thing is you will Either be focusing on melee or on bombs. This focus might be negligible but it still will be there.
And even some melee dedicated characters have a hard time getting the damage you want. At least getting it reliably.Azaelas Fayth (alias of JTMC93)2012-07-25T16:59:46ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Deane Bemanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#692012-07-25T12:49:45Z2012-07-25T12:06:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">TarkXT wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Sleet Storm wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">wellsmv wrote:</div><blockquote> http://pathfinder.ogrehut.com/2010/07/alchemist-build-guide/ </blockquote>Already know that, and wasn´t too impressed. </blockquote><p>Really? Really?
<p>A touch attack splash damage ability that deals energy damage is not impressive?</p>
<p>Does being ten times better than a rogue at nearly everything unimpressive? </blockquote><p>Hey...what's with the cheap shot at rogues? 8-)TarkXT wrote:Sleet Storm wrote: wellsmv wrote: http://pathfinder.ogrehut.com/2010/07/alchemist-build-guide/
Already know that, and wasn´t too impressed. Really? Really? A touch attack splash damage ability that deals energy damage is not impressive?
Does being ten times better than a rogue at nearly everything unimpressive? Hey...what's with the cheap shot at rogues? 8-)Deane Beman2012-07-25T12:06:49ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Richard Leonharthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#682012-07-25T08:57:20Z2012-07-25T08:57:20Z<p>why not go straight melee Grenadier?
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It seems to be exactly what you want (even if it's not that damage-optimized).
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At the beginning of combat throw a smoke bomb or something to control, then infuse a bomb into your weapon and attack. You need lvl 15 till you can fullround attack, but the damage should be nice.
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The directed blast can possible be used in melee.</p>
<p>On the other hand this archetype doesn't stack with beastmorph and is like a bad vivisectionist who can use some bombs.</p>
<p>Also you forgot the straight (damage) bomber in your list of viable/optimized alchemist builds, altough perhaps he is not always that different from the controller.</p>why not go straight melee Grenadier?
It seems to be exactly what you want (even if it's not that damage-optimized).
At the beginning of combat throw a smoke bomb or something to control, then infuse a bomb into your weapon and attack. You need lvl 15 till you can fullround attack, but the damage should be nice.
The directed blast can possible be used in melee.
On the other hand this archetype doesn't stack with beastmorph and is like a bad vivisectionist who can use some bombs.
Also you...Richard Leonhart2012-07-25T08:57:20ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Muserhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#672012-07-25T08:43:01Z2012-07-25T08:43:01Z<p>That's probably 3pp stuff, since it sounds pretty cheesy to be honest. Bombs don't really need a damage boost.</p>
<p>Anyhow, I did not pick Vivisectionist with my alchemist, since those bombs were way too good to pass up. Sneak attack is nice, but there's so many ifs, particularly early on when moving around the battlefield is far more dangerous proposition, that I rather stayed vanilla than put all my eggs into one basket. My alchy is on level 14 now and I haven't had any regrets. Why?</p>
<p>Some simple reasons:</p>
<p>•Touch attack: With a 3/4 bab class that frequently has heroism and other buffs on there's very little stat and feat allocation needed to be able to put the thing into practice. Switch-hitting made easy.</p>
<p>•No save: I've lost count how many times even my meagre 15d6+9 has evened the odds against some combat monster. Against golems the ability is just silly. Especially if I have prepared spider walk beforehand</p>
<p>•Fast bombs: Yes, it costs you a discovery and there are many tasty ones, but with just that one discovery you get a hasteable touch attack that works off your full bab. 3 energy blasts every time you, say, consider moving and attacking unadvisable or impossible(flight, huge reach, etc) is nothing to scoff at</p>
<p>•Renewable resource: With a bomb pool of class level+Int(+possible favored class bonus+feats) you'll never be the kind of artillery platform a dedicated archer gets to be just by taking some token feats. However, those bombs cost nothing -you'll have a new batch every morning be it jungle or the king's court, they don't need to be +1 holy alchemical silver(though with devils you'll wish they were) and there's no quiver to be stolen, etc. Extended wilderness trips? A holiday in Cambodia? No problem!</p>
<p>Won't win you the numbers game, but for the regular adventuring alchemist bombs are a godsent. Even though that "god" might only answer the name Haagenti...</p>That's probably 3pp stuff, since it sounds pretty cheesy to be honest. Bombs don't really need a damage boost.
Anyhow, I did not pick Vivisectionist with my alchemist, since those bombs were way too good to pass up. Sneak attack is nice, but there's so many ifs, particularly early on when moving around the battlefield is far more dangerous proposition, that I rather stayed vanilla than put all my eggs into one basket. My alchy is on level 14 now and I haven't had any regrets. Why?
Some...Muser2012-07-25T08:43:01ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Azaelas Fayth (alias of JTMC93)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#662012-07-25T01:05:30Z2012-07-25T01:05:30Z<p>I can't remember, it might not be exactly how I said. It might just be getting bombs that stack with alchemist levels. I had a player show it to me when they were planning a Fighter/Alchemist, though they didn't play it. They went with a straight alchemist build.</p>I can't remember, it might not be exactly how I said. It might just be getting bombs that stack with alchemist levels. I had a player show it to me when they were planning a Fighter/Alchemist, though they didn't play it. They went with a straight alchemist build.Azaelas Fayth (alias of JTMC93)2012-07-25T01:05:30ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Cheapyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#652012-07-24T23:02:06Z2012-07-24T23:02:06Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Azaelas Fayth wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Going pure Alchemist won't achieve the damage he would like. But going Fighter/Alchemist(Grenadier) could. In fact there is a Fighter Archetype that has the Bomb feature that stacks fighter levels with alchemist levels for bomb damage and allows you to take bomb based discovery in place of weapon training.</p>
<p>I am looking for the archetype now. If I find it I can post a build. </blockquote><p>I'm fairly certain that Paizo hasn't put out such an archetype.Azaelas Fayth wrote:Going pure Alchemist won't achieve the damage he would like. But going Fighter/Alchemist(Grenadier) could. In fact there is a Fighter Archetype that has the Bomb feature that stacks fighter levels with alchemist levels for bomb damage and allows you to take bomb based discovery in place of weapon training.
I am looking for the archetype now. If I find it I can post a build.
I'm fairly certain that Paizo hasn't put out such an archetype.Cheapy2012-07-24T23:02:06ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Azaelas Fayth (alias of JTMC93)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#642012-07-24T22:55:29Z2012-07-24T22:55:29Z<p>Going pure Alchemist won't achieve the damage he would like. But going Fighter/Alchemist(Grenadier) could. In fact there is a Fighter Archetype that has the Bomb feature that stacks fighter levels with alchemist levels for bomb damage and allows you to take bomb based discovery in place of weapon training.</p>
<p>I am looking for the archetype now. If I find it I can post a build.</p>Going pure Alchemist won't achieve the damage he would like. But going Fighter/Alchemist(Grenadier) could. In fact there is a Fighter Archetype that has the Bomb feature that stacks fighter levels with alchemist levels for bomb damage and allows you to take bomb based discovery in place of weapon training.
I am looking for the archetype now. If I find it I can post a build.Azaelas Fayth (alias of JTMC93)2012-07-24T22:55:29ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Maerimydrahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#632012-07-24T19:52:18Z2012-07-24T19:52:18Z<p>I think that playing the Alchemist as a damage dealer is a trap in the long run and that's why the OP is underwhelmed by it. The class is better played as a battlefield controller and a skill monkey. The OP mentionned Smoke Bomb, which are awesome, but there's also Tanglefoot Bomb, Confusion Bomb, Stink Bomb, Poison Bomb and Force Bomb. Furthermore, thanks to his mutagens and extracts, an Alchemist can become a better skillmonkey than a Rogue. Need to unlock this metal door? Drink your Dex-boosting mutagen and a Cat's Grace extract and make the party's Rogue cry.</p>
<p>I'm playing an versatile Alchemist in the first module of Carrion Crown right now and I'm having a blast. My bombs were really effective against groups of opponents and when faced against a single, strong opponent, I drink my Str-boosting mutagen, increasing my Str to 18, and wield my longsword (elven Alchemist) with both hands for 1d8+6 damage (with a mundane weapon).</p>I think that playing the Alchemist as a damage dealer is a trap in the long run and that's why the OP is underwhelmed by it. The class is better played as a battlefield controller and a skill monkey. The OP mentionned Smoke Bomb, which are awesome, but there's also Tanglefoot Bomb, Confusion Bomb, Stink Bomb, Poison Bomb and Force Bomb. Furthermore, thanks to his mutagens and extracts, an Alchemist can become a better skillmonkey than a Rogue. Need to unlock this metal door? Drink your...Maerimydra2012-07-24T19:52:18ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Pendin Fust (alias of theheadkase, RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#622012-07-24T19:37:17Z2012-07-24T19:37:17Z<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>20 pt buy. Nothing special, it could probably be optimized quite a bit more I just threw this together in 45 mins. Throw stink bombs and then come in cleaving. </p>
<p>••EDIT••</p>
<p>Bombs are supposed to say 4d6+13 when including bonus 3d6 damage.</p>
<p>••EDIT EDIT••
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Traits
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Deft Dodger - + 1 to Reflex saves
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Undead Slayer (Pharasma) - + 1 on weapon damage against Undead</p>
<p>Fast Bombs - Throw Additional Attacks amount of bombs as a full round action.</p>
<p>Precise Bombs - Choose Int Mod squares not affected by splash damage from bombs.</p>
<p>Smoke Bomb - When the alchemist creates a bomb, he can choose to have it create a cloud of thick smoke when it detonates. The cloud functions as fog cloud, filling an area equal to twice the bomb's splash radius for 1 round per level. </p>
<p>Stink Bomb - The effects of the smoke created by an alchemist's bomb can duplicate the effects of stinking cloud instead of fog cloud, f illing an area equal to twice the bomb's splash radius for 1 round. An alchemist must possess the smoke bomb discovery before selecting this discovery.</p>[Spoiler omitted]
20 pt buy. Nothing special, it could probably be optimized quite a bit more I just threw this together in 45 mins. Throw stink bombs and then come in cleaving.
**EDIT**
Bombs are supposed to say 4d6+13 when including bonus 3d6 damage.
**EDIT EDIT**
Traits
Deft Dodger - + 1 to Reflex saves
Undead Slayer (Pharasma) - + 1 on weapon damage against Undead
Fast Bombs - Throw Additional Attacks amount of bombs as a full round action.
Precise Bombs - Choose Int Mod squares not...Pendin Fust (alias of theheadkase, RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 32)2012-07-24T19:37:17ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Maerimydrahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#612012-07-24T19:15:56Z2012-07-24T19:15:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">wellsmv wrote:</div><blockquote> melee and bomb throwing really dont go that well together.... </blockquote><p>Opening Volley, from Ultimate Combat, can help you with that, but it has Point Blank Shot as a prerequisite.wellsmv wrote:melee and bomb throwing really dont go that well together....
Opening Volley, from Ultimate Combat, can help you with that, but it has Point Blank Shot as a prerequisite.Maerimydra2012-07-24T19:15:56ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Pendin Fust (alias of theheadkase, RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#602012-07-24T19:10:40Z2012-07-24T19:10:40Z<p>Pump STR and INT with some Dex. Build coming.</p>Pump STR and INT with some Dex. Build coming.Pendin Fust (alias of theheadkase, RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 32)2012-07-24T19:10:40ZRe: Forums: Advice: Show me a good Alchemist Build....Sleet Stormhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oirb&page=2?Show-me-a-good-Alchemist-Build#592012-07-24T18:46:11Z2012-07-24T18:46:11Z<p>So what I take from this thread is you either play an Alchemist as Battlefield Controller/Support guy or a Vivisectionist that works like a Rouge (or maybe more like a Ninja).</p>
<p>If I would have to play an Alchemist I´d probably go for a Vivisectionist, but the Melee Bomb thrower/Damage Dealer that I looked for probably can´t be done effectively.</p>So what I take from this thread is you either play an Alchemist as Battlefield Controller/Support guy or a Vivisectionist that works like a Rouge (or maybe more like a Ninja).
If I would have to play an Alchemist I´d probably go for a Vivisectionist, but the Melee Bomb thrower/Damage Dealer that I looked for probably can´t be done effectively.Sleet Storm2012-07-24T18:46:11Z