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Shadow Lodge 5/5

any Idea what time frame this will be released ?

Scarab Sages 5/5 **

As far as we know it will be about a week before GenCon.

Kyle Baird posted that it is Aug 6th. here

Grand Lodge 2/5 RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

The wait is killing me. All but one of my PCs are officially on hiatus until 4.2 comes out. :/

Shadow Lodge 5/5

Jiggy wrote:
The wait is killing me. All but one of my PCs are officially on hiatus until 4.2 comes out. :/

Who is not on hiatus?

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Jiao-long, my nasty Tien eldritch knight (currently Fighter1/Wizard5).

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Got a stable full of first levels to retool?

Shadow Lodge 5/5

forgive me ... why do you have characters on hiatus ?

what is it your expecting to see that would cause that

Grand Lodge 4/5

Wraith235 wrote:

forgive me ... why do you have characters on hiatus ?

what is it your expecting to see that would cause that

Main thing:

A rebuild option available for a PC with 3 or less XP.

Potentially, some other changes that may affect higher level PCs.

Can I request a rebuild for two of my PCs?
Too many classes on my archer
Too much Dex, not enough Str on my Polearm Master. That, or switch him to Lore Warden...

Just kidding, although both of those PCs could use some love...

Shadow Lodge 5/5

ah my side of it is GM Boons .... I have a character I want to start playing ... but if GM boons are going to be "Turned on" (No Idea yet but Im hopeful) this is one character that could benifit EXTREMELY Highly from Eyes of the Ten

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Got a stable full of first levels to retool?

#1 is 2nd level, then I realized he was accidentally illegal and I stopped playing him.

#2 is 9th level, but I've stopped being interested in him.

#3 is waiting on a rebuild.

#4 is waiting on a rebuild.

#5 is 3rd level, and I've lost interest in him.

#6 is as #5

#7 is waiting on a rebuild.

#8 is the aforementioned eldritch knight

#9 is just a landing place for my Dawn of the Scarlet Sun credit.

#10 is about to be created because I'm running First Steps to introduce a friend to PFS.

Shadow Lodge 5/5

Jiggy wrote:
#10 is about to be created because I'm running First Steps to introduce a friend to PFS.

Don't suppose you'd be willing to turn that into a public event. ;-)

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Why, do you have some newbies looking to play the series? Feel free to email me with details if you have any.

Shadow Lodge 5/5

There are almost always newbies looking for events. Some may have a scenario or two under their belt, but every game day has one or two minimum (often more). I'll send an e-mail.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Why would you possible have 3 PCs you need to rebuild? Start a thread and list their problems.

Grand Lodge 4/5

sveden wrote:
Why would you possible have 3 PCs you need to rebuild? Start a thread and list their problems.

How could you possibly have 3 PCs you need to rebuild?

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sveden wrote:
Why would you possible have 3 PCs you need to rebuild? Start a thread and list their problems.

One I had trouble getting into the character, and that's not something you can fix with a tweak.

One I already "rebuilt" by starting a new PC with very similar stats.

One was an early attempt at what I'm now accomplishing with Jiao-long.

So none of them are really salvageable as-is.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Why don't you like Cledwyn anymore? You do realize at some point you'll need to play the high level stuff, or you'll run out of low level stuff.

Albeit there are enough low level scenarios I think to get 4 guys to level 5.

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Andrew Christian wrote:

Why don't you like Cledwyn anymore? You do realize at some point you'll need to play the high level stuff, or you'll run out of low level stuff.

Albeit there are enough low level scenarios I think to get 4 guys to level 5.

This brings up an interesting question I hadn't thought of before.

Say you play all the level 1-5 stuff there is, but all of your characters die in the higher level stuff.

Since you can't repeat except with level 1 characters... what options do you have?

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Play modules or wait slowly for the new season to develop.

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/5

You will always, at the very least have 1 new module a month. And then there's the pregen option on the high level modules.

This isn't ideal, but it doesn't take you out of the game.

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Andrew Christian wrote:
Why don't you like Cledwyn anymore?

Sort of a complicated combination of lots of factors, actually.

1. He's more hyper-specialized than I intended him to be. Against weapon-wielding humanoids, it's so one-sided it's not even interesting, except that I have to wait for someone else to actually deal the damage. Against monsters, he's pretty lackluster. And forget about relevant skills or other utility.

2. He's accumulated one too many instances of GM fudgery (sometimes saving his life), which leaves me feeling kind of hollow when I play him, like I don't really deserve to be there and/or it doesn't really matter what I do.

3. Stupid caster-martial disparity. ;)

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CanisDirus wrote:
Since you can't repeat except with level 1 characters... what options do you have?

Switch to the other side of the table and you can re-GM as often as you'd like.

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CanisDirus wrote:
Since you can't repeat except with level 1 characters... what options do you have?

GM all the ones you played, you can Get credit again once for scenarios you have played if it is through GMing.

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CanisDirus wrote:

Say you play all the level 1-5 stuff there is, but all of your characters die in the higher level stuff.

Additionally, USUALLY high level characters have ways to deal with death (raise dead/ultimate mercy, gold to pay for raise, PP to pay for raise)

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You'd better not be waiting to start that tiefling.. If you are, I'll take it back!

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Kyle Baird wrote:
You'd better not be waiting to start that tiefling.. If you are, I'll take it back!

Well it's not like I can apply it to an existing PC!

He'll either be my GM credit baby for when I run First Steps this summer, or he'll be one of my first-level rebuilds when the new Guide comes out.

Basically, sometime this fall, he'll hit the table as a 2nd-level, heroic, NG, happy-go-lucky cleric of Iomedae.

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/5

I built a halfling alchemist last night on Hero Lab that just had me giggling. I have no idea when I'll get to play him, but his big schtick is making himself tiny and bomb-blasting.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Jiggy wrote:
Kyle Baird wrote:
You'd better not be waiting to start that tiefling.. If you are, I'll take it back!

Well it's not like I can apply it to an existing PC!

He'll either be my GM credit baby for when I run First Steps this summer, or he'll be one of my first-level rebuilds when the new Guide comes out.

Basically, sometime this fall, he'll hit the table as a 2nd-level, heroic, NG, happy-go-lucky cleric of Iomedae.

ZOMG!!! I plan on building an Aasimar Paladin of Iomedae...we should play together and ham up the I hate you racially, but we so love Iomedae schtick! A true love/hate relationship!

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CanisDirus wrote:

This brings up an interesting question I hadn't thought of before.

Say you play all the level 1-5 stuff there is, but all of your characters die in the higher level stuff.

Since you can't repeat except with level 1 characters... what options do you have?

I have actually thought of this before. I feel like if a character dies permanently, so you are tearing up the character sheet and chronicles anyway, a person should be able to play those scenarios again with a new chanacter, with the obvious disclosures to the GM about having played it before. The player would still never have more than one player chronicle for a given scenario, as the dead character’s sheets are forfeit. This would be an easy way to solve the issue you raised, but I suspect some will disagree with me.

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Daniel Luckett wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Kyle Baird wrote:
You'd better not be waiting to start that tiefling.. If you are, I'll take it back!

Well it's not like I can apply it to an existing PC!

He'll either be my GM credit baby for when I run First Steps this summer, or he'll be one of my first-level rebuilds when the new Guide comes out.

Basically, sometime this fall, he'll hit the table as a 2nd-level, heroic, NG, happy-go-lucky cleric of Iomedae.

ZOMG!!! I plan on building an Aasimar Paladin of Iomedae...we should play together and ham up the I hate you racially, but we so love Iomedae schtick! A true love/hate relationship!

He's gonna be too happy/good/fun-loving for that, actually.

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/5

ThorGN wrote:
CanisDirus wrote:

This brings up an interesting question I hadn't thought of before.

Say you play all the level 1-5 stuff there is, but all of your characters die in the higher level stuff.

Since you can't repeat except with level 1 characters... what options do you have?

I have actually thought of this before. I feel like if a character dies permanently, so you are tearing up the character sheet and chronicles anyway, a person should be able to play those scenarios again with a new chanacter, with the obvious disclosures to the GM about having played it before. The player would still never have more than one player chronicle for a given scenario, as the dead character’s sheets are forfeit. This would be an easy way to solve the issue you raised, but I suspect some will disagree with me.

Yup, gonna disagree with you. And you should never tear up chronicle sheets on dead characters. The player still *has* the chronicle sheet whether the character is dead or not.

Silver Crusade 4/5 *

kinevon wrote:

Main thing:

A rebuild option available for a PC with 3 or less XP.

What does this mean? Is this a new rule you have heard may be coming out (allowing any character <3 XP to retool at any time), or something that is automatic with any rule update (allowing you to make modifications to take the new rules into account)?

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The Great Rinaldo wrote:

What does this mean? Is this a new rule you have heard may be coming out (allowing any character <3 XP to retool at any time), or something that is automatic with any rule update (allowing you to make modifications to take the new rules into account)?

This has been pretty much confirmed for the new guide, where until your 4th XP you will be able to indeed retool your character. We don't know specific details yet, as the 4.2 guide is not out yet.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 *

CRobledo wrote:
The Great Rinaldo wrote:

What does this mean? Is this a new rule you have heard may be coming out (allowing any character <3 XP to retool at any time), or something that is automatic with any rule update (allowing you to make modifications to take the new rules into account)?

This has been pretty much confirmed for the new guide, where until your 4th XP you will be able to indeed retool your character. We don't know specific details yet, as the 4.2 guide is not out yet.

Ahah, thanks! That's pretty awesome news!

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CRobledo wrote:
This has been pretty much confirmed for the new guide, where until your 4th XP you will be able to indeed retool your character. We don't know specific details yet, as the 4.2 guide is not out yet.

Don't quote me on this, because I have not seen the rule yet. But everything I have heard only states that you need to be first level to rebuild you PC, which means 0,1 or 2 xp, since once you get your 3rd xp you are now second.

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Dragnmoon wrote:
Don't quote me on this, because I have not seen the rule yet. But everything I have heard only states that you need to be first level to rebuild you PC, which means 0,1 or 2 xp, since once you get your 3rd xp you are now second.

I have heard it both ways, but we won't know until we see it.

I hope it's 1-3 XP, because otherwise someone playing either a lvl 1 module or First Steps 1-3 in a row would not be able to rebuild.

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Mike said the intent is that if someone goes to a convention and plays through (for instance) all of First Steps, they're not stuck at the end. So my understanding is that you'll be able to rebuild up until you actually sit down with a 2nd-level PC.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Dragnmoon wrote:
CRobledo wrote:
This has been pretty much confirmed for the new guide, where until your 4th XP you will be able to indeed retool your character. We don't know specific details yet, as the 4.2 guide is not out yet.
Don't quote me on this, because I have not seen the rule yet. But everything I have heard only states that you need to be first level to rebuild you PC, which means 0,1 or 2 xp, since once you get your 3rd xp you are now second.

I believe it will be anytime before you play at 2nd level. That means you can have 3 XP. Until the guide comes out, we won't know for sure though.

Grand Lodge 4/5

ThorGN wrote:
CanisDirus wrote:

This brings up an interesting question I hadn't thought of before.

Say you play all the level 1-5 stuff there is, but all of your characters die in the higher level stuff.

Since you can't repeat except with level 1 characters... what options do you have?

I have actually thought of this before. I feel like if a character dies permanently, so you are tearing up the character sheet and chronicles anyway, a person should be able to play those scenarios again with a new chanacter, with the obvious disclosures to the GM about having played it before. The player would still never have more than one player chronicle for a given scenario, as the dead character’s sheets are forfeit. This would be an easy way to solve the issue you raised, but I suspect some will disagree with me.

You only get credit for playing a scenario or module once (with the noted exception for 1st-level modules and scenarios) ever ever ever ever, regardless of whether the character dies in the next scenario, turns to eveil, or lives to a ripe old age of 20,000 and becomes a god. Did I mention ever?

'Cause what I should have said is, "You NEVER get credit for playing a scenario or module twice, with the exception of the aforementioned Tier 1 scenarios and Sanctioned Modules."

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2(?) days!

Sczarni 3/5

Kyle Baird wrote:
2(?) days!

Patiently waiting. I want to see what the changes ultimately are so I can inform my players.

Silver Crusade 4/5

Just a few more hours to go.

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First the mars rover now this!

The Exchange 2/5 Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

The PFS guide lands once a year, right here on this planet. There is at least one guy with a mohawk at Paizo though... hmm.

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Dennis Baker wrote:
The PFS guide lands once a year, right here on this planet. There is at least one guy with a mohawk at Paizo though... hmm.

Glad to know I wasn't the only one staying up to watch :P

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Here's some science trivia for you:

What was the name of the spacecraft that carried the first-ever Mars Rover?

Spoiler:
Pathfinder of course :)

Scarab Sages 1/5

Hopefully the guide releases before my lunch.

That's 11 am est. Have it posted before then guys.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Artanthos wrote:

Hopefully the guide releases before my lunch.

That's 11 am est. Have it posted before then guys.

I doubt it. That would make it 8am PST for the Paizo Folk. And the M.O. has been whenever the Blog Launches, sometime around 3 to 5pm EST (sometimes 3-5pm PST).

Shadow Lodge 5/5

Batten down the hatches! It's coming!

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/5

Mike Brock said here that it should be around 10am PDT.

Sadly that's too late for me to grab it before I head off to my gaming club, where I have to help 4-6 PFS (and PFRPG) newbies to create new characters this evening...

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