When can I buy a mithril breastplate?


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1/5

Is it after 18 scenarios? Or since it's mundane, is it always available?

4/5

thoynan wrote:
Is it after 18 scenarios? Or since it's mundane, is it always available?

As soon as you can afford it. So some time after your 3rd scenario, but probably later than that.

1/5

Well hot damn, good bye chain shirt, hello MBP.

I was thinking it's 4k price tag made it a faction item under that fame cap, but i was unclear via the society guide.

Thanks!

4/5

you can actually buy a +1 mithril breastplate without worrying about fame, its just the +2 thats the pain (as its the total item cost putting it just over the 8k threshold meaning you need a significant amount of fame for the +2).

Remember if you are a rogue you better have a 0 ACP (through traits or feats) or medium armor proficiency or you take penalties to your attack rolls for being non proficient (as its still medium for proficiency just light for everything else)

Silver Crusade 4/5

Yup. All non-magical items are always available.

1/5

Ah, so to upgrade it to to +2 i need to have fame equal to the total price of the object? Or I just need fame enough to get the upgrade cost?

I'm a magus with med armor prof, so it's the best armor (at least till i scour the books for a better medium armor to mithril).

The Exchange 4/5 5/5

thoynan wrote:

Ah, so to upgrade it to to +2 i need to have fame equal to the total price of the object? Or I just need fame enough to get the upgrade cost?

I'm a magus with med armor prof, so it's the best armor (at least till i scour the books for a better medium armor to mithril).

You need fame equal to the total cost of the item. So a +1 Mithral Breastplate (5,200 gp) is always available but a +2 Mithral Breastplate has a total cost of 8,200 gp (and therefore has to wait until you have 27 fame) but will only cost you 3000 to upgrade.

5/5

You need to have high enough fame to cover the total price of the item, not just the difference.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Fromper wrote:
Yup. All non-magical items are always available.

Sorry, not quite true.

Firearms now follow the magic item rules instead of the mundane item rules for availability.

To be honest, there are a few too many drawbacks to that general rule, IMO. If your newbie Gunslinger's starting gun explodes, you are better off starting a new PC, if he doesn't have at least 9 Fame.

Again, IMO, pistols, muskets and blunderbusses, i.e. the same as the starting weapons, should be purchasable (with the Gunsmith feat proviso) without requiring a minimum amount of Fame...

5/5 *

Also, dragonhide armor is not always available

Dark Archive 5/5 5/55/5 *

kinevon wrote:
Fromper wrote:
Yup. All non-magical items are always available.

Sorry, not quite true.

Firearms now follow the magic item rules instead of the mundane item rules for availability.

To be honest, there are a few too many drawbacks to that general rule, IMO. If your newbie Gunslinger's starting gun explodes, you are better off starting a new PC, if he doesn't have at least 9 Fame.

Again, IMO, pistols, muskets and blunderbusses, i.e. the same as the starting weapons, should be purchasable (with the Gunsmith feat proviso) without requiring a minimum amount of Fame...

You can always cough up the gold to get a Make Whole cast on the exploded gun. Maybe not the best solution while you're in the field, but it does get the 'slinger back in the game prior to the 9 Fame threshold.

Silver Crusade 4/5

Joe Jungers wrote:
kinevon wrote:
Fromper wrote:
Yup. All non-magical items are always available.

Sorry, not quite true.

Firearms now follow the magic item rules instead of the mundane item rules for availability.

To be honest, there are a few too many drawbacks to that general rule, IMO. If your newbie Gunslinger's starting gun explodes, you are better off starting a new PC, if he doesn't have at least 9 Fame.

Again, IMO, pistols, muskets and blunderbusses, i.e. the same as the starting weapons, should be purchasable (with the Gunsmith feat proviso) without requiring a minimum amount of Fame...

You can always cough up the gold to get a Make Whole cast on the exploded gun. Maybe not the best solution while you're in the field, but it does get the 'slinger back in the game prior to the 9 Fame threshold.

Would a mending cantrip work on those broken firearms? I know lots of spellcasters have that.

Dark Archive 5/5 5/55/5 *

Fromper wrote:
Joe Jungers wrote:
kinevon wrote:
Fromper wrote:
Yup. All non-magical items are always available.

Sorry, not quite true.

Firearms now follow the magic item rules instead of the mundane item rules for availability.

To be honest, there are a few too many drawbacks to that general rule, IMO. If your newbie Gunslinger's starting gun explodes, you are better off starting a new PC, if he doesn't have at least 9 Fame.

Again, IMO, pistols, muskets and blunderbusses, i.e. the same as the starting weapons, should be purchasable (with the Gunsmith feat proviso) without requiring a minimum amount of Fame...

You can always cough up the gold to get a Make Whole cast on the exploded gun. Maybe not the best solution while you're in the field, but it does get the 'slinger back in the game prior to the 9 Fame threshold.
Would a mending cantrip work on those broken firearms? I know lots of spellcasters have that.

That cantrip has a weight limit imposed on it by caster level [1 pound/CL], so you'd need to have at least a couple levels in caster. Some GMs might balk at the idea of a 0 level spell fixing something as complex as a firearm, so you might run into some GM variation.

5/5 5/55/55/5

CRobledo wrote:
Also, dragonhide armor is not always available

Did they ever explain why they called that one out for the exception? Given the potential for abuse i would have thought adamantite would be the thing to watch.

Grand Lodge 5/5

BigNorseWolf wrote:
CRobledo wrote:
Also, dragonhide armor is not always available
Did they ever explain why they called that one out for the exception? Given the potential for abuse i would have thought adamantite would be the thing to watch.

All the other materials can be mined or harvested. You have to slay a dragon to get dragonhide. So it will only be on chronicles and you only get it if your group killed the dragon in the adventure.

5/5 5/55/55/5

Don Walker wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
CRobledo wrote:
Also, dragonhide armor is not always available
Did they ever explain why they called that one out for the exception? Given the potential for abuse i would have thought adamantite would be the thing to watch.
All the other materials can be mined or harvested. You have to slay a dragon to get dragonhide. So it will only be on chronicles and you only get it if your group killed the dragon in the adventure.

It doesn't show up on the always available list but doesn't it show up on the "i have the prestige to buy it" list?

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Don Walker wrote:
You have to slay a dragon to get dragonhide. So it will only be on chronicles and you only get it if your group killed the dragon in the adventure.

Incorrect. You don't have to get it from a chronicle - you can buy it as normal based on your total Fame score, like any other legal item. It's just not "always available".

1/5

Thank you Jiggy. Didn't know that - and I needed that information for a future character! :)

The Exchange 2/5

BigNorseWolf wrote:
CRobledo wrote:
Also, dragonhide armor is not always available
Did they ever explain why they called that one out for the exception? Given the potential for abuse i would have thought adamantite would be the thing to watch.

I don't think they did, but I have a theory. If you read the text, dragonhide armor gives you a discount on cost to upgrade it to any kind of resistance armor based on what kind of dragon hide it is (upgrading red dragon hide to armor with fire resistance, for example). Mithril, admantine and darkwood don't give discounts on future upgrades. I think maybe that has something to do with it.

Grand Lodge 4/5

This came up in a game again tonight.

Looking through the updated PFS guide.

+1 Mithril breast plate can be purchased as soon as you have the gold.

Dragon armor you still need the Fame.

Are there any other special materials that need fame? Any recent update on these rules?

Thanks,

Baronjett

Grand Lodge 3/5

Baronjett wrote:

This came up in a game again tonight.

Looking through the updated PFS guide.

+1 Mithril breast plate can be purchased as soon as you have the gold.

Dragon armor you still need the Fame.

Are there any other special materials that need fame? Any recent update on these rules?

Thanks,

Baronjett

Rules updates are in the Guide to PFS, there is also the FAQ you can check, Addition Resources will let you know what is legal from the different books, and there is also a clarification thread but I can't find the URL for it right now.

5/5 *

Nothing has changed on this.

Dragon hide is the only special material under the fame limit. Everything else is always available (from the allowed sources of course, some special materials are unlocked via chronicles)

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Don Walker wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
CRobledo wrote:
Also, dragonhide armor is not always available
Did they ever explain why they called that one out for the exception? Given the potential for abuse i would have thought adamantite would be the thing to watch.
All the other materials can be mined or harvested. You have to slay a dragon to get dragonhide. So it will only be on chronicles and you only get it if your group killed the dragon in the adventure.

I hear there is a farm outside Absalom where they raise dragons and harvest them for their hides. It's similar to the one outside Katapesh that raises Nagas.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Even though you normally need Fame to buy Dragonhide, don't forget that buying items with prestige skips this requirement. 2 Prestige will get you a nice set of Dragonhide Breastplate for the stylish or metal-impaired among you.

Sovereign Court 4/5

Did that for my druid with her 2nd set of PA. Hurray GM babies!

Dark Archive

Don Walker wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
CRobledo wrote:
Also, dragonhide armor is not always available
Did they ever explain why they called that one out for the exception? Given the potential for abuse i would have thought adamantite would be the thing to watch.
All the other materials can be mined or harvested. You have to slay a dragon to get dragonhide. So it will only be on chronicles and you only get it if your group killed the dragon in the adventure.

This is how I think it should work, but as others have mentioned, you can buy dragonhide with 2pp, or when you have enough fame.

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